I understand why they are so set on destroying Hamas

[FebruaryOnMyMind]

Having seen the stories of the women and girls raped at the festival (reportedly over their dead friends bodies) and the people taken off as hostage; I understand why Israel want to destroy Hamas. They have said that Hamas militants are dead men. They have said that they will go after them. The worst killing of Jewish people since the Holocaust and their 9/11 with death toll of over 1300 people.

The story of the women at the Music and Peace festival is here -

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12623023/Israeli-girls-raped-friends-bodies-Hamas-terrorists-carried-second-Holocaust-British-relatives-reveal-condemn-celebrated-atrocities-Gaza-Iran-London.html

Yet some people celebrated when the killings of Jewish people (they were from many different countries) at the festival was announced.

I feel sadness for everything going on in the middle east and for all the people who are innocent are are dying. Terrorists need to be stopped.

The roads between Israel and Egypt have been bombed by the Israelis.

But Gaza has a border with Egypt. They could use that.

If Israel really wanted to retaliate against Hamas, they would be targeting the leadership currently living a life of luxury in Qatar and Iran.

Starving out the entire Gaza population and keeping them hostage in a mass concentration camp is nothing but blood thirsty revenge.

They do not give 10 mins! They give just 57 seconds warning, imagine getting out with your children from the 5th storey in under a minute. Impossible.

The poster was talking about the usual policy. One technique they use is a 'roof tap'. They have also told civilians to leave, but Hamas tell/make them stay.

Hamas also make it incredibly difficult to avoid civilian casualties, by design - because it feeds into their propaganda of victimhood. Despite the constant attacks and stated aim of destroying Israel, you understand.

I wonder if this statement still holds true?

"“The Arab States do not want to solve the refugee problem. They want to keep it as an open sore, as an affront to the United Nations and as a weapon against Israel. Arab leaders don't give a damn whether the refugees live or die.”

former head of UNRWA in Jordan, Sir Alexander Galloway, in April 1952

Saudi were getting closer ties with Israel and then Iran fund Hamas who attack and then the closer ties evaporate. Some countries don't want the problem to be solved at all.

So why don't the people there release the hostages?

Yeah fuck the innocent men right?

Indeed. Hamas do not care for the Palestinian people. They use them as cover, they use them to continue their aims to eradicate Jewish people. Hamas need support to keep the money flowing in and don't want an answer.

I think you need to educate yourself and research a lot more thoroughly as most of your statements are no where near the truth.

Without Hamas, Palestine would still be oppressed by Israel. What is happening in Palestine is years of ethic cleansing. It is actually Israel who are intent of wiping Palestine from the face of the earth. Hamas has given them the ammunition by their horrific acts to do this. Israel are committing ware crimes against the innocent civilians of Palestine as the UN stated, so I can't see how they are any better than Hamas. They are also terrorists.

Not according to Al Jeezera and the reporters who were given an hour. The story of this is well covered.

Maybe the Arab countries surrounding GAZA could offer refuge for the Palestinian people. Unfortunately, many of those countries don't appear to want to help.

here is an example of 57 seconds warning.

Constantly mentioning Al Queda in relation to Palestine creates a very strong anti muslim sentiment.

@DottieMoon

Why did Hamas launch an attack against Israel now?In recent years, Israel has made peace deals with Arab countries without having to make concessions in its conflict with the Palestinians.
The US has also been trying to broker a deal between Israel and Saudi Arabia, a bitter rival of Hamas' Iranian backers.
Many other countries in the area want peace with Israel but Hamas, a recognised terrorist organisation don't want peace.

Israel would need to open the crossing points.

I'm not disputing that that's what happened at all. But I think it's abhorrent and quite possibly a war crime to bomb an area that you told civilians to gather in because it would be safe from your attacks.

The quote comparing it to the Holocaust was literally in the article linked by the OP, which called it "a second Holocaust".

To your other point, yes some of the victims were from overseas, but this does not mean they were targeted due to being Jewish. The Nepali agricultural workers for example, were not Jewish, while the UK citizen in the IDF or others at the music festival appear to have been associated with bigger groups.

All these deaths and assaults are equally tragic, no matter where they come from. It is clearly horrendous, but equally clearly not a Holocaust, and it's dangerous to see people using this parallel.

Indeed. The countries could suggest they offer refuge (but they don't) and then the crossing points opened. For some reason the surrounding countries are not offering refuge to fleeing people.

I completely understand and support their desire to wipe out Hamas. What happened at the weekend was barbaric. Hamas frankly deserve whatever is coming to them.

What I do not and cannot support is the suffering that is now being inflicted on innocent Palestinian civilians, including children. Cutting off supplies of food, water, medicine, electricity and fuel for the whole population of Gaza is not punishing Hamas for what they have done. It is punishing the Palestinian people, most of whom had nothing to do with the atrocities in Israel.

The Palestinian people cannot even flee to safety. They are utterly powerless.

Crush Hamas as viciously as you like, they absolutely fucking deserve it. But don't make innocent people suffer to pay for what they have done.

I would also point out that on the first day of Israeli retaliation that they told civilians that a UN school was a safe area to go to and then bombed the school!

Source please!

Do you consider the building of settlements to be conducive to peace?

This awful right wing Israeli government isn’t serious about peace.

I totally agree.

You are being very naive if you think Israel want to sit down and talk peace with Palestine,they don’t because they want Palestine wiped off the map for good.Hamas don’t care about the Palestinians either,but unfortunately the Palestinians are caught in the middle and used as shields by Hamas.People equating this conflict to the Holocaust don’t seem to realise that Netanyahu has been ethnically cleansing Palestine for years.This doesn’t mean I support Hamas they are brutal terrorists..

https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/gaza-strip-number-displaced-people-over-70000-unrwa-shelters-unrwa-school-sheltering-displaced-families-receives-direct-hit-enar

The school was a Designated Emergency Shelter.