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Am I being unreasonable here – because I really don’t think I am

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defaultresponsibleadult · 19/09/2023 13:00

A little back story. Been together a very long time. He’s a great partner we share everything and have a nice loving relationship. He does pick up more mental load than most and meets me in the middle with cooking, cleaning and life admin. A man who I love deeply and is joy to be with…… normally.

My OH was at a Drs appt with me to hear some results for some worrying issues I was having. It could have been one of two things and luckily it turned out to be the good news, not the bad.

During the appt the Dr mentioned that I needed to come off hormonal birth control (and that I couldn’t have a IUD – so it may be barrier methods/abstinence). My OH was so relieved at the news he made a joke to the Dr that he would book in to have the snip immediately. She took the statement at face value, confirmed that it was something he had been considering and advised she could book an appointment for several months away for a chat. He was absolutely fine with that and thanked her for setting it all up.

A few days later the letter arrived confirming the appointment and he went quiet and stayed quiet for a few days. One evening out of nowhere he blurted out that ‘couldn’t we consider something else?’ I sat there a bit confused as it was said totally out of context in the middle of dinner. I asked him clarify and then he said that he felt the snip was a bit ‘overkill’. He then just looked to me to jump in and make suggestions.

Suddenly I was irritated. In the many many years we have been together he’s never once had to pick up this concern it’s been one of the few things where the load had not been shared equally (which he acknowledged in the preamble to 'the conversation') I’ve had painful procedures, injections, pills, implants and a horrible 6 mo with a IDU that caused no end of issues. So, rather than be my normal helpful self I just sat there and said ‘What had he looked into as an alternative?’ He looked a bit shamefaced as he skirted around the issue but I could see clear as day he really wanted to broach the subject of me having my tubes tied. I said I would be happy to discuss any alternatives his research brought up. He was very obviously crestfallen and he dropped the subject.

He has not said a word about the situation since and we are now nearly at the appointment date. He has been driving me insane because he has been projecting a visage like a pouty school boy who’s mum is making him do something he doesn’t want to.

He randomly makes comments that basically show the lines of his thinking go like this:

  1. He could announce/promise that we will use barrier methods and then he won’t have to have the snip – Nope, he hates them that is never going to work
  1. Why won’t she just offer to have her tubes tied
  1. He then gets mad at himself that he really secretly wants number 2, but that’s not fair and makes him feel like he is a hypocrite and terrible partner
  1. He then gets irritated that he is this situation at all – is there some other birth control that she can have
  1. He then gets mad at himself again because that’s still not fair and once again makes him feel like he is a hypocrite and terrible partner
  1. Rinse and repeat

I am currently feeling a bit mean because I’m a purposely not bringing the matter up as I feel he made his bed he either needs to lie in it or decide not to and then act on it - rather than wait for me to make it all OK by taking the lead and responsibility for having 'the conversation' because he wants me to give him permission not to do this thing that he feels he should do but deep down doesn't want to but i i give him permission it absolves him.

OP posts:
HeddaGarbled · 19/09/2023 13:05

I think you’re awesome.

Emiliaswrath · 19/09/2023 13:07

Me too!

Witchbitch20 · 19/09/2023 13:08

I don’t think you are being unreasonable.

I would however spell it out quite clearly that sterilisation is not an option for you, given everything you have already mentioned.

growgrowinggrown · 19/09/2023 13:09

completely agree with @HeddaGarbled , well done on standing your ground.

Garihairy · 19/09/2023 13:10

Bloody well done @defaultresponsibleadult 💪

Have you asked him why, after everything you've been through, he thinks you having your tubes tied is a better option than him having the snip? Apart from his selfishness of course.

DebussytoaDiscoBeat · 19/09/2023 13:12

How old are you both?

Congrats on your good results!

heldinadream · 19/09/2023 13:12

Everything they said. ^^
Gather strength here and dig in OP. It's his turn to take this responsibility, big time.

Brefugee · 19/09/2023 13:15

Stay strong, OP. Because on this one small thing he needs to step up. Condoms or snip. I'm assuming you're ok with either?

SeulementUneFois · 19/09/2023 13:16

Well done OP!
Keep standing your ground.
And don't 'help' him - let him bring it up.

10HailMarys · 19/09/2023 13:17

But from what you’ve said, he hasn’t actually asked you to get your tubes tied, has he? So he’s aware that would be an unreasonable thing to ask.

Basically, he knows a vasectomy is a solution, but he’s apprehensive about actually having someone go into his bits with a scalpel (or a laser or whatever they use). That seems like a pretty understandable reaction, to me.

If I was faced with a situation where my only chances of a normal sex life hinged on me having a surgical procedure on my fanny, I would also be pretty sullen about it, in all honesty.

CornedBeef451 · 19/09/2023 13:18

Well done for not stepping in to fix it!

I looked into getting my tubes tied but DH said he would get the snip instead as I had already had several ops in the same general area.

10 years later he still hasn't had done had it done and we no longer have sex.

Soubriquet · 19/09/2023 13:19

You are being very reasonable. My dh had the snip because he thought it was fair. He was uncomfortable for a couple of days and then that was it. All good

He needs to man up

AuntieSoap · 19/09/2023 13:20

Has he actually said that he wants you to get your tubes tied?

TheCraicDealer · 19/09/2023 13:21

Fair play to you- I’m in a similar situation and I’ve told DH I’m not going back on the pill (increased risk of blood clots due to dx clotting disorder) and won’t be having an iud (increased risk of ectopics and I’ve already had one of those, thanks) or injection or implant. After recurrent mc, an ectopic and emergency tube removal, two FT pregnancies and sections I am DONE. He says he feels “too young” for the snip- he’s 38!!! So condoms for us until he turns 40, at which stage apparently he will “consider” it.

Keep er lit OP, we’re behind you!

PomPomChatton · 19/09/2023 13:21

OP, we stand with you! Stay strong.

heldinadream · 19/09/2023 13:21

CornedBeef451 · 19/09/2023 13:18

Well done for not stepping in to fix it!

I looked into getting my tubes tied but DH said he would get the snip instead as I had already had several ops in the same general area.

10 years later he still hasn't had done had it done and we no longer have sex.

Strewth. These men seem to have no real empathy - if for a minute they really thought about what it's like for a woman to have even one trouble free straightforward birth, they would not hesitate. Let alone more than one with any level of complexity. But no.

Grushenka · 19/09/2023 13:22

I guess I’d want to actually get it out into the open. If having tubes tied is a no go for you you just need to be clear. He can then make his mind up about what to do. No need for hiding away what needs to be discussed?

KaySararSarar · 19/09/2023 13:24

YNBU. We are at a stalemate as I refuse anymore hormonal methods etc and DH is dilly dallying about actually doing it so condoms it is.

If I bring it up he says I will I will stop nagging me…

Stimpend · 19/09/2023 13:24

The one really helpful thing you can do here is be crystal clear that option 2 is off the table.

This is the only "help" you should be providing.

Tiredchicken · 19/09/2023 13:26

The risks of complications from vasectomy are much much lower than female sterilisation and the success rate much higher. It’s a day case vs a general anaesthetic.

maybe he needs to just keep this appointment to talk through the options with the doctor and he will then be clearer one way than the other. It’s not like the appointment is for the actual vasectomy! And perhaps he has questions he could do with asking?

i have had two complicated pregnancies and an unrelated gynaecology problem. At my last appointment a few years ago the gynaecologist asked about contraception including the possibility of sterilisation and I said that I feel like my body has been through enough for our family and that it really was my husbands time to step up.

yes a vasectomy might seem scary but so is childbirth and they don’t have to face that ever.

my husband at the time felt « too young« and said maybe once he was « x » years old…
he has just reached that age and he has not brought up the subject as yet…
when it comes time to reorder contraception I will be bringing it up again.

its okay for them to feel nervous/worried but I think they need to at least look into it and the alternatives not just bow out of the decision and effectively leave the problem in the women’s lap forever!

BMW6 · 19/09/2023 13:28

Stay firm OP. A vasectomy is far less invasive than sterilisation - he doesn't even need a GA.

My DH watched his being done! He was facinated.

You've carried this load so far - it's his turn.

flipent · 19/09/2023 13:28

I don't think you're unreasonable at all. But your post reads like you've made a lot of assumptions about how he is feeling / what he is thinking.

I absolutely agree that you should not be 100% responsible for this aspect of your lives and that if he want's to explore alternatives then he should absolutely come to you to discuss as adults about something that ultimately effects you both.

I don't think leaving him to have and argument in his head all by himself is necessarily the best thing long term - but I do tend to attack things head on because I can't bare second guessing!

GingerIsBest · 19/09/2023 13:31

I think you're being brilliant. My only step forward would be that I'd be getting a bit annoyed at the long face and the passive aggressive waiting for you to step up. So I'd probably say something like, "you're walking around like a fish slapped you. If you're nervous about this appointment, have you done any work on considering what options you want to do instead?"

And then if and when he raises any suggestions that involve YOU doing anything, you can just shoot those down (definitely do not proactively raise the issue of you doing anything).

As a side bar, not only have I refused to be involved in any further interventions to my body for contraception, I refuse to get involved in the purchase of condoms either. I have been known to walk past them in a supermarket or pharmacy, think "ooh, I think we need condoms" and continue walking without stopping. There MAY be an element of cutting off my nose to spite my face, but I 100% am NOT taking on any more of the mental load for this after years and years of contraception, fertility treatment and pregnancy.

xxSxxxxxxx · 19/09/2023 13:31

Brefugee · 19/09/2023 13:15

Stay strong, OP. Because on this one small thing he needs to step up. Condoms or snip. I'm assuming you're ok with either?

These were the options I gave my husband after our second child. Think I'd spent enough years taking care of contraception by that point.

We used condoms and then he got the snip after covid

whynotwhatknot · 19/09/2023 13:33

its just to explain things isnt ti this appt or is it the actual procedure?

he either gets it done or theres no sex thats the simple answer