To think the gender and sex Ed wars are created by tories

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The tories have totally messed up the country recently I think that people who did or didn't vote for them can see they are doing an awful job and they have no reasonable expectation of winning next general election..... EXCEPT now the Tory press has created this total obsession about

1. Sex education and
2. Gender and trans issues.

They are painting them selves as the only party that will save us from the wokes who want to identify as a dog or teach 12 year olds how to have anal sex... this is what the Tory tabloids are claiming is happening in schools.

What does everyone think?

Look at how Labour have addressed any issues raised in relation to gender identity.

They've said things which aren't true, they've refused to listen to criticism, they've suppressed debate, and they haven't even protected their own MPs from being bullied for dissenting.

So why should I assume that their policy on the climate or education will actually be evidence-based, and coherent, and open to review if necessary?

It's not some random side-issue, it's about fundamental credibility.

Some useful links:
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2017/oct/18/theresa-may-plans-to-let-people-change-gender-without-medical-checks

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1501654/Boris-Johnson-GB-News-latest-Conservative-Party-speech-woke-cancel-culture-woman-cervix-vn/amp

This!

Can someone link the it never hapoen thread and break it down for me the new one for op?

I think others have told you why it matters to us. You are obviously welcome to disagree that it is important, or as important as your other causes.

Many of us, aside from thinking that women and children matter, see this also as a bit of an issue of critical thinking and leadership. Theresa May was sold on "be kind" and didn't do enough thinking before allowing all this through, but Rishi sunak is trying to row back, because he has recognised the damage done.

Unfortunately, the Labour Party didn't listen to people and still refuses to totally get off the fence and set out its ideas clearly on this issue - if you can't understand the issues and articulate what policy should be, why should you be trusted? The Labour Party have oodles of time on their hands right now - they have zero burden of governing - and most of them still haven't managed to do the reading and inform themselves. It's a bit pitiful really.

And yes, I think that the stonewall lobby are the ones who have exploited the idea that you must be a right wing bigot to not support TWAW.

Many of us are really agitated about this because we'd love to vote for a party that was more compassionate than the tories and didn't hate us so much. It's irrelevant to me what Rupert Murdoch says about it.

Some more useful links:
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.spiked-online.com/2022/12/14/meet-the-secretary-of-state-for-trans-indoctrination/amp/

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4517255-JHB-asks-Rishi-Sunak-what-is-a-woman

They didn't create it but they are exploiting it and yes it directly affects me my son has long hair the amount of times people have "gently" suggested to me his anxiety is because he is trans or are you SURE he isnt struggling with his identity the kid is autistic he struggles with people his hair hides him from people keeps him "safe" that's it no pink feelings no closet dress buying he is in fact one of the most black and white thinkers I've ever met he knows who and what he is he is baffled by people who don't in the current climate doctors don't know how to classify him

The current climate sucks for children presenting outside of "gender norms"

I really don't want to vote tories but I cannot vote Labour or green or lib dem first time ever I can't vote for anyone

It's irrelevant to me what Rupert Murdoch says about it.

Sibling transitioned in 2007. I think I had views on the subject sometime before it crossed the minds of the Murdoch Press or the Sacred led Fail.

Dacre led Mail even!

YANBU OP. The Tories inflicted thos shit on us, now they're pretending they didn't in order to con people into voting for them.

I agree that's more important, but to me it's not more important than climate change or health etc so I wouldn't let this one issue of sex and gender be how I decide my voting

Vote how you want OP. It's good that you are questioning this and finding out a bit more. For me, womens rights are so important because if we don't have them, nothing else matters.

Look at the women living in Afghanistan at the moment. Would you be happy living as they do if you had a wonderful health system and big investment in climate science?

Or would you sacrifice that in order to be allowed to vote, to go to school, to drive a car, to go to the park unchaperoned by a male family member or just to be able to wear your own choice of clothes?

I think women in the western world have got so used to having rights that they are taking them for granted. It wasn't until 1991 marital rape became illegal in the UK. Not really that long ago. I'm not giving away my rights and that's why this is a fundamental issue for me. The other stuff is important too but I'm just prioritising.

If all the parties could stop trying to make laws around make believe and treat the protected characteristic of sex as seriously as it deserves then, as others have said, we can put this behind us and focus on the other important issues.

Everyone understands that if you don't see colour, you don't see racism.

Well the same applies here - if you don't see sex, you don't see sexism.

I'm a terf and proud of it. The Tories have just pretended to give a shit because it's an easy vote winner. They've had 13 whole years to sort it out but conveniently have left it to as an election piece as they have fucked up everything else. The economy is destroyed. The NHS in pieces. Most people other than the top 10% are worse off. House prices off the scale. Anyone voting for this is a gullible fool.

Ps be warned there are loads of Tory Stooges on here. The right wing are very very good on social media. (reference: Brexit)

That's what I was thinking seems to be happening now

The Gender Recognition Act 2004 was passed when Labour had a massive majority.

Nope. The left let this happen under the guise of being nice and being kind and blah blah blah.

I cannot understand why Labour haven't swooped in to pick up all the votes. They should win by a landslide. As everyone keeps saying, it's an open goal.

Ps be warned there are loads of Tory Stooges on here. The right wing are very very good on social media Yeah that's right @smilesup I'm just on here pretending my child is destroying his life - you thoughtless idiot.

The Left haven't been in power for a long time. The trans mess is one of many, many, many ways the Tories fucked the UK over the past 13 years.

Once again, the Gender Recognition Act 2004 was passed when Labour had a massive majority.

Once again:
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2017/oct/18/theresa-may-plans-to-let-people-change-gender-without-medical-checks

To me gender ideology is important not just due to the impact on women's rights but because it requires a religious type belief in an innate "gender soul" (which is not biological or from socialisation). It is not sufficient for that belief to be tolerated in others - everyone is required to subscribe to it and perform it, otherwise they are transphobic. There's also the double think of what gender you are being a fundamental part of identity and also anything you want it to be and impossible to define. And the attempt to redefine "woman" so that it becomes meaningless. I find it all completely illogical and sinister. I care about having the freedom of speech to challenge religious type ideologies in a civil way (particularly when they affect the rights of others). That isn't to say that other people can't hold those views and dress and present however they like of course.

I have also read a lot about trans healthcare for children recently and really think it's the next lobotomy. I think it's difficult to understand just how negligent and experimental some of the treatment is without doing a lot of reading due to the misinformation about it even from reputable medical bodies (like puberty blockers being reversible and having no long term effects). And the tide is starting to turn on this across Europe including in left wing Scandinavian countries so I don't think this is a Tory issue. It's a niche issue but it does matter because it affects a growing number of children who can't give informed consent to the treatment they receive.

I think the Tories have seen that this is an important issue for some of their voters and are taking advantage of that but that is how politics always works.

I think they're stoking and exploiting it as they are with their culture wars, as a distraction from their destruction of our health and education systems and of the environment.

I think it's also important in its own right.

They have shat on the country.

But people seem to love the smell - as they continue to vote for this crap ... Boat people! Gender confused kids! ULEZ!

No, it's the fault of Labour, Greens and Lin Dems.

Literally ALL they need to say is

"a woman is an adult human female. Trans women are not women. We commit to supporting trans people in living safe, happy and dignified lives but we will not redefine womanhood as a mental state to do that, or will we include male people in the definition of womanhood. We will repeal the GRA and replace it with protections that are fit for purpose and don't rely on a state sanctioned legal lie. Right, that's sorted, now let's talk about climate change, education and the Tories' dreadful failures with the environment and the economy".

And yet they don't.

If it's so very minor, so unimportant vs the Tories' failures, why on earth are the various parties in opposition not doing the one easy thing that would take it off the table?