To think the gender and sex Ed wars are created by tories

[Unexpectedlysinglemum]

The tories have totally messed up the country recently I think that people who did or didn't vote for them can see they are doing an awful job and they have no reasonable expectation of winning next general election..... EXCEPT now the Tory press has created this total obsession about

1. Sex education and
2. Gender and trans issues.

They are painting them selves as the only party that will save us from the wokes who want to identify as a dog or teach 12 year olds how to have anal sex... this is what the Tory tabloids are claiming is happening in schools.

What does everyone think?

Behave

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The 'gender wars' have been created by Stonewall.

They have stopped supporting same sex attraction.

They have influenced all UK government bodies to not only allow but positively encourage men to self ID into women only spaces.

They actively misrepresent the law.

They are encouraging children to queer themselves and to normalise men dressed as women (ie drag) and other fetishes (furries, etc.)

If you are not worried about this, you are not paying attention.

It is far more important though
Fundamental reality and women's rights are far more important than climate change or health yes. Of course.
Why do you think people who can lie like the example photo above can tell the truth about climate change or health? They are like flat earthers ffs.

The Tories are actually pretty late to the party on this issue. Actually the right wing in general is, both here and in other countries.

Ironic how people calling it a Tory creation are spouting left-wing propaganda such as "They're calling all trans people perverts and dangers!" and "It's just like the homophobia of old" without realising they are also spouting clichés with no real basis behind them, and may also be being manipulated.

I think your premise is deeply flawed and deeply misogynist because it implies that women like me are unthinking consumers who are only concerned by the relentless march of gender ideology because we've been spoonfed a line by propagandists.

I don't hate gender ideology because I'm too thick to think for myself. I hate it because it's damaging children. I don't just uncritically read mainstream press. I cross check to other sources and original material wherever possible. I'm not alone in that.

There are countless incidents like this on here where people say 'oh no, couldn't have been like that' and then it turns out that it was in fact exactly like that. Women on MN frequently break the stories way before the mainstream press gets hold of them. I remember the seriously dubious drag show on the south bank last summer which people said children couldn't see (they could) and the drag show for babies which people said didn't include sexual stuff and in any case the babies were too young to know what was going on (they did and they weren't). Both of them were discussed at length on here before they hit the MS press. And there are countless other examples.

Incidentally the gender critical feminists I know are the most intelligent women I know by some margin.

Yes, that's how I feel too.
I'd rather everyone felt cared for so that they are more likely to go get the health check ups they need.

The gender thing is a big problem for women imo..however! The tories painting it as something only they can sort out is ludicrous as it’s happened under their watch! They really are a vile, scheming party.

Well many of us have cared for much longer than the current in the news stuff.

We care that women (the cunty kind) matter in all ways.
If you cannot describe a woman, you cannot get any targeted help to her.
If you were raped would you really want to attend any counselling with a man?
If you needed time in hospital, possibly unable to move far, do you want a man in your ward?
If you happen to be locked up for some reason, do you want to share a cell with a man?

This has been going on for so many years now. Will you wake up and smell the damn coffee.

What about distressed rape victims who can’t have single sex rape crisis centres?
What about a women who was denied treatment when she asked for same sex staff?
What about the hospital rape victim who initially have her assault denied because the hospital tried to claim there were no men present?

Does their distress count or is that not worthy of interest?

I agree that's more important, but to me it's not more important than climate change or health etc so I wouldn't let this one issue of sex and gender be how I decide my voting @Unexpectedlysinglemum to you it's not but then presumably you're not locked in a prison with a rapist or dealing with a child who is hell bent on destroying their life. For some people this is more important than other issues.

If anything I think they were very late to realise the threat the TWAW and TRA crowd pose to women's rights, given how long these issues have been debated here. I'm glad they are finally taking it seriously.

If you are not worried about this, you are not paying attention
How patronising.

Fine, vote however you want.
And I will vote how I choose. That is how democracy works.

The tories painting it as something only they can sort out is ludicrous as it’s happened under their watch! They really are a vile, scheming party.

It's happening across the western world including in Scotland where SNP are in charge and is far worse in parts of the USA. It's part of a global trend. Some of the Tories are at least starting to push back (even if it's to win votes) which for me is a good thing.

I think all parties need to come out and state that trans people have a right to live their lives in peace but have no right whatsoever to enter women’s private spaces, or demand that their identified gender be recognised over their biological sex.

this will put all of the trans Hysteria to bed and we can concentrate on real issues.

This, and it’s not just here

And now schools are teaching it

Plus that Labour montage of woeful in @nothingcomestonothing sums it up. Utter wazzocks

The interesting thing is opposition to Stonewall Law came from Left Wing and Liberal Women BEFORE it ever reached the Tory Party HQ to set a strategy.

These women tried to get EVERY political party to see the issues that Stonewall Law was trying to sweep under the carpet or totally silence quite deliberately through intimidation.

The only party that realised that they had a point has been the Tory Party. Which is a special kind of irony.

Labour were given the opportunity to ask questions. They didn't want to know.

Interesting

Do you think safeguarding is going back because of current sex education? Or because of the risks of men posing as trans women being violent in women's spaces?

The Tories wouldn't be able to gain votes on this issue if the rest of the UK's political parties weren't such a total shitshow on the topic.

Exactly that @Muddyfeetgood so simple and yet none of the political parties can do it

Please read up on intersex or dsds.
That is categorically not true.

Also both of those terms are offensive. Disorders of sexual development only affect either males or females. It's a bit shocking you are on this board trying to influence people using outdated language like that.

@Gerrataere I totally agree re the risks to autistic children especially.

I guess to mean this still seems like quite a random issue to vote over, to me personally it's not more important that the climate or education or health funding- i would do a campaign or a petition about a niche issue but not use my one vote on it at the expense of the other issues