To think the gender and sex Ed wars are created by tories

[Unexpectedlysinglemum]

The tories have totally messed up the country recently I think that people who did or didn't vote for them can see they are doing an awful job and they have no reasonable expectation of winning next general election..... EXCEPT now the Tory press has created this total obsession about

1. Sex education and
2. Gender and trans issues.

They are painting them selves as the only party that will save us from the wokes who want to identify as a dog or teach 12 year olds how to have anal sex... this is what the Tory tabloids are claiming is happening in schools.

What does everyone think?

To jump back in where I left off… when I was in the GC movement it was genuine, radical/second wave feminists well versed in theory and committed to helping women. There was a real atmosphere of camaraderie and feeling like we were continuing the work of sheila, andrea etc… fast forward to now and yes everywhere that I see GC debate is fully dominated by a certain demographic of older more conservative women. The only young blood is neotrad/neocon women, young actually left wing women won’t go anywhere near the movement. I’ve followed this for ten years and this is just my observation. To be honest, back then the movement was all about working outside of the government and legal system (actually radical) politics. Now it’s just people bickering on forums and voting conservative.

as to me coming out, I just got older and priorities changed, I realised I’d kept a lot of things repressed and coming out as queer/genderqueer felt like a homecoming. Yep I’ve had underlying trauma which probably in some way led to this, as will be the case with many trans individuals. Ultimately we all have our childhood experiences which all set us on a certain track.

when I was in the GC movement

Yeah, that's definitely a thing. Did they have to change the secret handshake when you left?

Shrug. Too tired and ill to be dealing with this playground type behaviour

a certain demographic of older more conservative women

Oh my word, how awful. It sounds so unfashionable.

"To be honest, back then the movement was all about working outside of the government and legal system (actually radical) politics. Now it’s just people bickering on forums and voting conservative."

Then you really haven't kept up with what is needed or what is happening.

Can you please tell us what you think genuine/second wave feminists achieved in the past without actually working with the government and legal systems at the time? And what you think would be achieved with out those very same feminists working within the government and legal systems now?

I must admit Arabella that I did snort. I don't quite believe I left my 'second wave', but hey, maybe because I have never sat around discussing feminist theory with people I guess I just never counted to some people ....

"To be honest, back then the movement was all about working outside of the government and legal system (actually radical) politics.

How do you propose change without legislative change?

What you’re suggesting doesn’t stack up

The poster is attempting to cast aspersions on any women effecting change. By suggesting that:

'working outside of the government and legal system (actually radical) politics' is the 'correct' and desirable thing to do.

It's rather a weak effort. Just another kind of ad hom, an attempt to put women off doing anything that might actually impact on issues.

It's instructive if only because it shows us what is working.

Hey, I'm a millennial who is actually younger than Owen Jones. So I'm not "older". I was brought up by an ex-SWP member mother who bought the Morning Star, so I wasn't brought up to be "conservative" either.

I wonder that you have you not noticed that trans activists don't shy away from effecting legislative change? There is even an organisation, called Press For Change.

Every loss of rights women have experienced is because trans activists lobbied politicians and decision-makers to change laws and policies.

Honestly, it is ludicrous. It is almost like women just sat around and discussed it and magic happened and things changed .... just because women discussed in their groups and protested. Not done any campaigning, not met with committees and influenced policies, not set up their groups, their support networks, not any of that..... just chatted about theory and maybe did a 'radical' protest of some sort to make some people take notice so the people in power made changes.

And fuck me.... not continuing the work of Sheila?

Hey, Sheila ... tell us what you think about the state of women's rights at the moment.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Gender-Hurts-Sheila-Jeffreys/dp/0415539404

Gender Hurts: A Feminist Analysis of the Politics of Transgenderism Paperback – 15 April 2014 (note the date!)
by Sheila Jeffreys

'It is only recently that transgenderism has been accepted as a disorder for which treatment is available. In the 1990s, a political movement of transgender activism coalesced to campaign for transgender rights. Considerable social, political and legal changes are occurring in response and there is increasing acceptance by governments and many other organisations and actors of the legitimacy of these rights.'

'This provocative and controversial book explores the consequences of these changes and offers a feminist perspective on the ideology and practice of transgenderism, which the author sees as harmful. It explores the effects of transgenderism on the lesbian and gay community, the partners of people who transgender, children who are identified as transgender and the people who transgender themselves, and argues that these are negative. In doing so the book contends that the phenomenon is based upon sex stereotyping, referred to as 'gender' – a conservative ideology that forms the foundation for women's subordination. Gender Hurts argues for the abolition of ‘gender’, which would remove the rationale for transgenderism.'

'This book will be of interest to scholars and students of political science, feminism and feminist theory and gender studies.

And here

https://sheila-jeffreys.com/tag/transgender/

In here Sheila writes about Dworkin.

Maybe it is you who have not kept up with Sheila at all there, begaydocrime42

Every loss of rights women have experienced is because trans activists lobbied politicians and decision-makers to change laws and policies.

Exactly. Anyone who cares about women’s rights would be utterly daft to step aside and say fine you TRAs get the law we’ll have a little club over here

So strange I’m not sure it’s a real suggestion

Maybe Sheila is not a genuine second wave feminist??

Or maybe some feminists think she has changed her views? Oh... no... this is from a couple of days ago... don't think she has changed her views really....

On the subject of everyone being old.

Here are hundreds of school children in the US staging a walk out to 'protect girls' rights'.

'Hundreds of students in Pennsylvania walked out of school in protest over a new rule allowing transgender students to use the bathroom of their choice.
High school students in Perkiomen Valley School District staged the protest after officials opted not to adopt a policy that would force students to use restrooms which correspond with their biological sex.
They accused education chiefs of 'compromising' their rights and putting female students at risk during the demonstration last week.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12535503/Pennsylvania-school-walkout-trans-bathroom.html

Wrong kind of young people, Arabella. They don't count and trans activists will deny their existence, never mind their distress and discomfort.

Not unique to Britain, some bastards in Belgium torched a school over it.

Front page in Scotland today: a girl in care after being sexually assaulted at the age of 5 claims that a social worker said she had been born in the wrong body and would only be happy if she changed it.
A social worker. In a care home.That is very important.
Google TheSunday Post and you can read for yourself.