To think the gender and sex Ed wars are created by tories

[Unexpectedlysinglemum]

The tories have totally messed up the country recently I think that people who did or didn't vote for them can see they are doing an awful job and they have no reasonable expectation of winning next general election..... EXCEPT now the Tory press has created this total obsession about

1. Sex education and
2. Gender and trans issues.

They are painting them selves as the only party that will save us from the wokes who want to identify as a dog or teach 12 year olds how to have anal sex... this is what the Tory tabloids are claiming is happening in schools.

What does everyone think?

Well the TRAs seem so full of batshit own goals if they actually gave a shit about the health and happiness of the trans community that it's hard not to conclude that they're right wing stooges. But there's more going on than that and it has arisen from Michel fucking Foucault et al. People like my dad spouting Derrida in his 70s anthropology seminars. Postmodernism has basically led some dumb fucks down a path that justifies their innate authoritarianism.

Yes, because all trans people are rapists and child abusers apparently.

Stereotyping like this is dangerously similar to how gay men were accused.

They weren't created by Tories, no. Its simply that they are currently attempting, ineptly, to take advantage of them. The previous Tory version of this involved Theresa May trying to bring in self ID.

It wasn’t the Tories who were happy to lock up Isla Bryson and Katie Dolatowski in women’s jails was it.
Do the rights of female inmates not matter?
Was it the Tories that ran GIDS so badly that it had to be shut down?
Did the Tories claim puberty blockers were irreversible when the evidence (when they bothered to collect it) showed this might not be the case.
Who think’s permanent harm being caused to vulnerable young people isn’t a matter or all of society?

51% of the population were told by some politicians they didn’t have the right to claim the word woman and that they were rights hoarding dinosaurs (thank you Mr Lammy for that one)

This is the biggest challenge to women’s rights in decades and Labour have been woeful.

This whole issue has been brewing since around 1997.

Just because you all weren't looking, I was. I saw the end game even then.

Look in fwr old posts if you want more info.

This is not a new thing.

It has literally become mainstream in the last few months, but plenty of us in fwr have been shouting into the void for a long time. We were called names, we were hived off so the gen pop couldn't find us. But we bloody tried over and over again.

Maya Forster lost her job for stating that she believed biological sex was real, binary and immutable. She went to a tribunal where the original judge said that this belief was "not worthy of respect in a democratic society'. She appealed and the original judgement was overturned.

The real world consequence was a woman losing her job and fighting for all of us to have the right to believe that biological sex is real. If she hadn't done that and won, in the end, then perhaps your average person in the street would have found themselves having to toe the line at work if they wanted to keep their job. I think that's pretty sinister.

No. I think it's incredibly important. You can't protect what you can't name. I never thought that I'd see women's rights and child safeguarding go backwards in my lifetime,but here we are.

I disagree.

By far the biggest exploitation is by the trans lobby.

They are using the fact that many right wing groups are against what is happening, in order to push the narrative that it's ONLY right wing people and organisations who disagree with "trans rights".

This is in order to try and make ordinary people believe that they must support this nonsense and if they don't they're right wing bigots.

Exactly. I am bored of hearing this idea that they are the path of righteousness on this.

Fact is, if you believe some, they could make a simple change to the law to refine matters to biological sex but strangely have had no time to do this at all.

This is an interesting one.

We'll take services screenings - they do have to include some who are described legally or socially as men although not born male - trans men- they're at risk of cervical cancer too but would probably have a horrid time mental health wise if people insisted on calling them women during their treatment, and they would also probably avoid cervical screening and therefore be more likely to die of cervical cancer. I wouldn't let my politics or opinions get in the way of a very distressed person accessing healthcare

Do you honestly encounter this is your day to day life? I've yet to be impacted by anything of the sort.

@Aquaphant you're very lucky not to be impacted by it. Right now it's destroying my family. It's also destrying the lives of the other parents I meet in support groups. I would give away everything I own to be rid of this toxic bullshit in my life.

Hard disagree. If Labour weren’t being such twats on this issue it wouldn’t be such an open goal for the Tories. I want my government to have a grasp of and respect for scientific reality but Labour has David Lammy saying he thinks you can get a cervix if you transition and Keir Starmer saying only women having them is something that shouldn’t be said.
This is not just inherently ignorant and wrong, it suggests they are generally ignorant of science and/or are willing for it to become unsayable. Which are dangerous positions if applied more widely.

Of course they’re not, but unlike being gay, gender beliefs are not the same as immutable sexuality. The far bigger issue with trans ideology is how vulnerable young people, often with autism and/or mental health issues are being severely failed in getting help and support and the huge pockets of unregulated parts of the internet are helping them being groomed by adults into thinking their issues stem from a gender identity disorder. And for that I very much blame the government for failing to uphold our healthcare system to a functioning level. With adequate understanding of autism for parents and children before they reach puberty, many cases of supposed gender dysphoria and identity displacement could have been seen for what it is - symptomatic of neurodiversity and/or MH issues usual from a traumatic childhood. Instead we have a whole generation of children groomed online because they have little to no understanding of themselves in the real world.

As for the original op, as I said above the government is in some way accountable for this new political buzz, and now they’re using it for their advantage. However as things stand I wouldn’t vote for Labour because of their stance on sex based rights up to this time.

Yabvvvvu. Do you think it's OK that children are accessing binders and hormones for no real medical reason? That men who rape are placed with female prisoners? That rapists are called she in court otherwise contempt? It is not the tory media it is actually happening and has been for about 20 years, just the tory media was on side too before.

This kind of proves my point though. There is so so so much press about the trans stuff that the tories are getting off Scott free with all the other awful things they are doing as they are portraying themselves as the only ones who will stand up to sex Ed and gender wars stuff. But the only reason we all care so much about the gender stuff is the total catastrophizing in the Tory press.

They could make a big hoo ha about hospitals or the state of school funding etc - issues that really do affect all of us - but they don't

😂😂

But they have managed to get into and stay in power !

Maybe I mean right wing in her weak
Not just tories as pp have observed the same is happening in America

And I opted out of cervical screening after a tw nurse (biological male to be clear) was sent to do a womans smear test.

So that's me so distressed I opted out, hows your politics or opinions on that?

Exactly!!!

I totally get that some people have concerns about trans and gender issues but why are these concerns more important than climate change health or eductation?!? I think it's the fault of the Tory press

Did the Tory party force multiple Labour politicians to come out with reality-denying misogynist shit? Or hold a gun to Ed Davey's head and make him say women have penises? Did they make the Green party refer to women as non men? The Tories are taking full advantage of the fact that every other party is committed to appeasing TRAs, but they haven't caused this mess they're just making hay with it. There are many who would love to vote for any party but the Tories, if any party were available who haven't sold women out.

@Unexpectedlysinglemum transmen are biological women. We need to know how many women there are however they identify. Therefore their medical records need to state their sex as well as their gender

of course once invited for screening their preferred name etc should be used

tbh I’ve not met a trans men who isn’t fully aware they’re female & need cervical screening. The problem is the likes of stonewall telling the NHS they should record gender rather than sex meaning that transmen don’t get called

Hospitals where a woman was raped and the nhs denied that was possible?
Education where teachers are scared of students accusing them of transphobia? I'm a teacher, yes it is used by kids to gain power.
Policing where burglaries are ignored but women are arrested for tweeting that men are men?
I think this permeates all of those to a huge extent.

The Tories are taking an opportunity because Labour's brains fell out on this.

This doesn't mean there is a real problem with religious level genderism and how this affects women in a negative way.

If Labour were on the ball and acknowledged that sex isn't merely an inconvenient nuisance, but a real issue then the Tories wouldn't be able to do this.

I would argue that it's Labour wide open goal in denying Reality and expecting everyone to indulge Fantasy Role Play and gross sexist gender stereotypes that has caused the issue.

The Tories were not the group that said that sex suddenly after thousands of years should be replaced by gender. The group that came up with that shift in opinion without openly bringing along the population in sufficient numbers caused the problem. The Tories are just pointing this attempt to pass this over without proper public engagement and public consultation by the back door in very institutions.

Behave.

If any man can access women's spaces just by saying they are a woman then safeguarding means nothing. Women are not objecting on the basis of someone being trans but on the basis that transwomen are male.

Do you think sex segregated spaces and services exist because we think ALL men are rapists and sexual predators? Some men are but they don't tend to alert us to their nefarious intentions so we look at the stats and say the safest thing to do is to provide male free spaces and services for women in certain situations. It has nothing to do with thinking the worst of everyone within a certain group.

This type of disingenuous accusation undid Nicola Sturgeon because after she had claimed it wouldn't happen and that appropriate risk assessments and safeguards were in place we found a double rapist was being housed in a women's prison. She was then unable to answer if the individual concerned was a woman which destroyed all the claims the SNP's made during the GRR debate that it would never happen.

Interestingly Adam Graham was refused a place on a women's self defence course because the gym owner thought he would be a risk to female participants. Perhaps we should give that man a job in the Scottish Prison Service he seems to have far more common sense than the idiots tasked with risk assessing the placement of trans prisoners.

I agree that's more important, but to me it's not more important than climate change or health etc so I wouldn't let this one issue of sex and gender be how I decide my voting - I

The Tories were not the group that said that sex suddenly after thousands of years should be replaced by gender.

Well, some of them have. They certainly don't have clean hands on this issue. But otherwise I agree with your post.