To think the gender and sex Ed wars are created by tories

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The tories have totally messed up the country recently I think that people who did or didn't vote for them can see they are doing an awful job and they have no reasonable expectation of winning next general election..... EXCEPT now the Tory press has created this total obsession about

1. Sex education and
2. Gender and trans issues.

They are painting them selves as the only party that will save us from the wokes who want to identify as a dog or teach 12 year olds how to have anal sex... this is what the Tory tabloids are claiming is happening in schools.

What does everyone think?

Do you know what would be easier and more effective? If the Tory government sorted it all out before they are removed from power next year.

Yep that works too. No objection from me.

I'm just highlighting that if the Left really thinks this Culture War stuff is a trivial distraction from the Real Issues engineered by the Tories it's entirely in their gift to defuse it. And if they don't, maybe they don't really think the issue is trivial, maybe what they really think is trivial is people's objections.

This.
But reframe it as a culture war rather than legal and medical insanity and child abuse and then blame the Tories when the SNP, Greens, Lib Dem and Labour all seem to think that telling women we are getting worked up over nothing whilst eroding our rights.
Grow up OP.

Absolutely this.
Also cements their votes from the right-wing press readers. Get the press to whip up a frenzy - respond to the frenzy with capitulating policy - repeat as necessary. See also immigration.

I think the Tories created these issues but not in the way you mean.

As a Teacher both of these things cause genuine practical problems which impact pupils I see every day. I've known a child that we fought to get Social Services support for for years because the family struggled to deal with her SEN (to be told she was nowhere near the threshold of need) removed from her family because they wouldn't support her social transition.

What the Tories have done and allowed to happen to Social Services and CAHMS is awful.

Sex Ed in schools used to be fairly standardised and factual. Now it's a fucking mess. Kids can go through school with no real understanding of how their bodies work. Again- Tory policy.

I certainly don't think the Tories are doing anything useful and are just point scoring but YABVVU to think everyone is imagining the problems.

No the Tories didn’t make it up. But they are seeing it as a chance to score points.

Which is depressing because as a non conservative voter I do think the safeguarding of children and protection of women’s rights are important - and I do lobby for womens rights, disability rights, gay rights, equal pay, carers equality etc.

But my impressionable disabled DS who is very feminine (totally fine) was going to be taught that there is he might be in the wrong body by a lobbyist group - at his specialist school. And that’s how it came to my attention, not some ‘media frenzy’.

Labour created this issue with the 2004 GRA. Stonewall made it mainstream when they switched their focus from gay rights to trans rights when Ruth Hunt took over about 10 years ago. Theresa May wanted to detox the Tory image with self-ID.

Current Tories are only able to make hay with this because the other parties won't support womens rights in this fundamental way. If you can't define a woman, you can't protect women.

Yep

Big Pharma. Stop buying into all this crap.

This

Agreed.

Yup -I’m voting Cons as the labour leader couldn’t state what a woman was. He’s a lawyer FGS.

You seem to be very much in the dark on this issue despite it apparently being a war by the Tories, you have done no reading around, you've just made up your mind, its Tory it must be bullshit. If you had done any research at all , you would know asking for a same sex hcp could be classed as transphobic, and the woman asking, will be the one in trouble.

So you see no issue with a male HCP, every woman has to be ok with a male HCP!
Can you think of even one reason a woman might want a female HCP to do smears and other invasive procedures?

Do you believe women should have a choice?

maddening · Yesterday 21:35

I think that they have been caused by academia,.increasingly in the last 30 years, and ideologically captured graduates are now in Media, tech, journalism, teaching, HR, in government, therapy, medicine and in management throughout the Western world.

Absolutely 100%

And it's not just the gender issue that crazy academics have warped beyond recognition.

Whatever you say the tone of your messages is that it is all a fuss about nothing. Well it isnt. It's legalising and promoting harm to children and denial of women's rights to safety and privacy. I wont be voting for the tories unless they actually do a great deal more than they have done already. Words wont cut it, I have great difficulty believing anything a tory politician says. However Labour - and all other parties apart from the communists - are useless on this too. How can a party that deny reality and claim you can change sex be trusted on anything?

In practise the government in power matter less than you think. Everything in life is controlled by money and some very rich men are trying to drive this through. There is a programme about this, if you went to the womens rights part of this website you'd be directed to it. The tories are doing what they think will get them elected, after which they can backtrack to keep the favour of the rich. Labour should be standing out against this, the party was not formed to toady to rich white men.

Hello OP,

Just my tuppence worth on why this is an important issue to me.

I was thoroughly peaked by this - https://www.brightonandhovenews.org/2019/12/09/hospital-apologises-to-rape-victim-for-branding-her-request-for-same-sex-breast-screening-medic-as-transphobic/ a rape victim who was branded transphobic and held up as an example of bigotry by her local hospital for wanting a woman to carry out her mammogram.

The implications of this for all women are obvious. A physically disabled young woman would not be able to insist a woman change her sanitary protection when she is menstruating. An elderly woman who has suffered from domestic violence and marital rape would have to allow a man to help her shower.

Some women will be fine with men (however they identify) carrying out these roles and that's great. But the ones who are not - the most vulnerable of women right at the bottom of the pile - need to be protected. There has to be a clear distinction between natal and non natal women in law and I would vote for any party whatsoever (from Communists to Monster Raving Loonies) who would unequivocally pledge to protect these women. I don't know who started it, but all I care about right now is who is going to fix it.

No, it's not an issue manufactured by a single political party in a single country. That's blatantly obvious given the horrific effects of gender identity ideology in countries worldwide, including those with left leaning governments.

If you don't want the Tories to make political capital out of the shitshow that is "trans rights" then you know what to do. Step up and protect children from horrific medical experimentation. Apply the same safeguarding standards to everyone with no exemptions for GII believers. Champion the preservation of sex based rights, services, language etc. for women.

Leftist political parties in lots of counties have made it easy for the right to win elections and stay in power by being weak on all of the above. I'll take Kemi Badenoch over David "it's possible to grow a cervix" Lammy all day long.

This thread reads like a soft poll for the Labour Party, with a bunch of members allowing their party loyalty to override their own common sense. Keep doing that Keir and pals and you'll keep handing the Tories gifts of voters.

Agree and disagree.

Are more extreme and less reasonable politicians/media voices using wedge issues to push their agenda, without paying attention to the nuances? Yes.

However exactly the mirror of this is happening on the left. Posts like this - suggesting that anyone who doesn’t think inappropriate material should be taught in schools, or who want single sex services, changing rooms etc are right wing nutters - don’t help.

Open discussion of genuine concerns is the best antidote to wedge issues like the ones mentioned in the OP.

It's a very real, very dangerous issue affecting lots of children, and those driving it are doubling down rather than pausing for thought.

I just can't bring myself to vote for a party that doesn't understand this problem.

The NHS, schools, asylum seekers - complicated and definitely in a dire state. The way forward doesn't seem clear for either party.

Meanwhile one party is agitating to resource a philosophy that endangers the most vulnerable- women (particularly those) in prison, children (especially those with autism or gay), and yet again disadvantages those who are already marginalised.

I can't vote for them- waste of energy and resources, and minds so open their brains have fallen out.

Honestly it's like voting for someone who's decided we mustn't use the words up or down anymore, as there's no gravity in space. It's just randomly logically ridiculous and suggests they are dim.

I don't think it's entirely the fault of the Tories as we seem to have the same problem going on across the world. I think it's more about ESG ratings, ( Environmental, social, and corporate governance), mainly the social, which is DEI (diversity equality and inclusion) which is pushed by huge investment companies such as Blackrock, Vanguard and Statestreet and their ESG index (not dissimilar to stonewall) and who have far too much power, more than governments it often seems. Really ESG should be ethical, but it's become corrupt in many ways in order to meet those ratings. And it's that influence that changes the world around us.
i do think the Tories should do more about it. But I don't think it's entirely their fault that it has occurred. It would be happening whichever government was in place. But I don't think any western governments are doing enough to stop it. They're just sitting back and watching the world around us disintegrate. Sometimes actively encouraging that to meet their own targets.

Ignorant and haven't made up your mind but you seem so sure that it's a distraction whipped up by the Tory party and right wing media. The first people to push back against this were left wing women, this was long before the concept of cat gender was even a thing. We are appalled at the way other political parties have treated women who have tried to voice concerns.

You should visit the feminist board to find out more about the things that have happened and the campaigning going on now. Women have had to crowd fund legal cases to protect your rights whilst you were smugly chatting about Tory instigated culture wars with people whose lives have not been touched by this.

Here are some links which may help:

https://www.womenarehuman.com/

https://reduxx.info/

Both of these sites give a global perspective on gender ideology and the insidious nature of it.

In the UK: Sex Matters, Fair Play For Women, Keep Prisons Single Sex, For Women Scotland and many others are doing great work.

This should not be a partisan issue but unfortunately the Tories are the only ones who aren't embarrassed to say what a woman is and, unlike the other parties, they have not bullied their members who have dared to raise concerns. There has been a big difference between how Miriam Cates has been treated by the Tories and how Rosie Duffield have been treated by the Labour Party. Miriam Cates wasn't afraid to attend her own party conference because of death threats made against her, Rosie Duffield was and got no support from the Labour Party.

@pickledandpuzzled perfectly put!

YABU. If you think that then you’re not paying attention.

Yes, of course they’re capitalising on our anger - but the anger is real and righteous. The Tories have overseen all this gender crap (notwithstanding Labour bringing in the dreadful GRA), but they’re at least realising they’ve screwed up. Left up to Labour we’d have self-ID, no PSHE review, puberty blockers still being handed out and it being a crime to call a man a man.

I dread Labour getting in to power.

You're missing the point. All rapists are rapists - and they shouldn't be put in a women's prison just because they say they feel feminine.

100% this. Especially Women have had to crowd fund legal cases to protect your rights whilst you were smugly chatting about Tory instigated culture wars with people whose lives have not been touched by this. What's that Usual Suspects quote? Something like 'the best trick the devil pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist'. Substitute 'gender ideology' for 'the devil' and substitute 'media frenzy culture war' for 'he didn't exist' and you've got the OP