To think the gender and sex Ed wars are created by tories

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The tories have totally messed up the country recently I think that people who did or didn't vote for them can see they are doing an awful job and they have no reasonable expectation of winning next general election..... EXCEPT now the Tory press has created this total obsession about

1. Sex education and
2. Gender and trans issues.

They are painting them selves as the only party that will save us from the wokes who want to identify as a dog or teach 12 year olds how to have anal sex... this is what the Tory tabloids are claiming is happening in schools.

What does everyone think?

I'm inclined to agree. Either that or people who are obsessed with these things are unwittingly playing into their hands.

The same issues are playing in most of the western world so the Tories may have a hand in it here but that is definitely not the whole story.

Sadly it is working, to the point where people no longer care about: educational funding for children, NHS waiting times, environmental and climate change issues.

Political parties are preying on people getting worked up and ignoring issues that directly affect themselves and their own children.

I agree. I also think that they're whipping up a frenzy about gender identity to distract women from the consistent and terrible erosion of their rights in other ways. I'm horrified that it seems to be working well for them.

Redefining the definition of women from “adult human female” to “adult human female & men with undefinable lady feelings whatever they may be” affects 51% of the population & makes it impossible to quantify the effects of policy and services on women of the actual biological kind. How do we plan maternity services or cervical screening programmes when we can’t accurately define women to exclude men?

id say that’s pretty important.

Oh absolutely, the same thing is going on in the US with drag queens and trans rights. These things are non issues for the vast majority of people in their day to day lives but so many people are fixated on trans people and wokeness instead of the real issues that are making life miserable for the average person. t's the dead cat strategy.

100% agree

Agree

I agree.

I also agree the Tories are massively exploiting the situation. Both things can be true.

YANBU.

It’s about women’s rights and the erosion of them to placate TRA. Why shouldn’t women have access to single sex spaces? Why should women’s refuges or women’s rape support services have to include men? Why should men be able to identify into programmes to encourage & increase women’s representation in STEM or politics merely by stating they identify as women?

Do you honestly encounter this is your day to day life? I've yet to be impacted by anything of the sort. Most people roll their eyes and get on with things. It seems to be charities and companies looking for press that release things trying to redefine what being a woman means. Your average person on the street isn't going to budge on what they think about gender and life will go on much as it has.

Political parties are preying on people getting worked up and ignoring issues that directly affect themselves and their own children.

If you have a mentally ill child who's decided the only thing that will make them better is taking hormones and destrying their body then it does directly affect them and their children. I'll vote for whoever is aware of this and does something about it.

Hard disagree for me. I mean, I agree that the tories are exploiting it, but not that the issue is unimportant.

I would LOVE to vote Labour, but they have people on the front benches (Lisa Nandy in particular, but basically everyone bar Keir Starmer signed the trans pledge, which was quite extreme) that until very recently were saying that male Rapists belong in female jails. I'd say that's an important issue, which would disadvantage some of the most vulnerable women in society.

Do I think the tories truly care about those women? No, not really. But much of Labour called anyone who did a bigot. Hmmmm.

I think you’re giving the Tories way too much credit if you think they’re capable of arranging an orchestrated campaign like this

thing is @napody tories wouldn’t be able to exploit if every other political party weren’t being such mealy mouth fuckwits insisting that it’s just sooooo hard to say what a woman is. They know, they all know but they think women’s rights are less important than keeping shouty men happy

Quite.

I agree OP

I believe that anyone who doesn’t think this is one of the most importa
nt issues at the moment hasn’t been paying full attention. It is a dangerous cult in many different ways, and if not checked now then we could be lead into situations such as in California, where a man has been imprisoned for not wanting to allow his daughter to transition. The more you read, the more insane it appears.

I 100% believe Tories ‘know what a woman is’. I also see that they are actively making every day life more difficult for women with their policies.

I think that they have been caused by academia,.increasingly in the last 30 years, and ideologically captured graduates are now in Media, tech, journalism, teaching, HR, in government, therapy, medicine and in management throughout the Western world.

Well yes because my job involves exactly this sort of thing. Planning services & therefore expenditure based on population needs - it can’t be done if we can’t accurately determine how many biological men and biological women there are.

you’re right the average person in the street does know exactly what a woman is but that hasn’t stopped a massive roll back on single sex spaces

I agree with every word of this. Regardless of the political weoponisation of the issue, it is an issue and one we shouldn't ignore

This. Putting male rapists in womens prisons is definitely something to get worked up about as a feminist. We are supposed to think about the most vulnerable in society. The Labour Party are supposed to think about the most vulnerable in society and yet all they seem to go on about is neo liberal identity politics and their luxury beliefs.

I don’t think they created this at all. They took the typical traditional position on trans issues when they started to become a thing and just used their common sense about people being able to change their sex. They might have jumped on a bandwagon and be exploiting it now, but they didn’t start it.