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Mum making herself too at home

222 replies

PandaRose · 28/08/2023 22:57

Firstly, apologies for the essay… Hoping you can all tell me if this is really irritating behaviour or if I am being totally unreasonable!

My mum is single and in her 60s and lives a couple of hours drive away. She is a very anxious person about a variety of things and it often makes me feel anxious just being around her because she will get herself into such a state about something like traffic or work and will relay it all in such a way that really puts me on edge.

Because of this I try to politely minimise spending too much time with her but I don’t confront her about it as I think that would make her feel more anxious/upset her which I don’t want to do. She is also very helpful with my kids and looks after them on a semi regular basis.

The thing that’s getting me down at the minute is the amount of time she spends at my house.

A few years ago when she first started looking after my kids for me on alternating Fridays, she would ask if she could come over Thursday night and stay over (fine with me as the drive is quite far and as I mentioned before she’s an anxious driver). But it’s started to become that she would turn up earlier and earlier on a Thursday and now turns up at midday, then will often stay until sat/sun.

She never really directly asks, it just starts to creep earlier and earlier. She will often last minute say she has a headache or is too tired to drive or is worried about driving in the rain etc etc. I know part of it is her anxiety but it does feel like she picks and choose the anxiety to excuse her staying as long as possible.

What I find particularly annoying is she will semi ‘ask’ by saying something like ‘do you mind if I come a bit earlier on Thursday due to X’, but the ‘do I mind’ is totally redundant as if I say yes I’ve got a busy day at work (I WFH) or yes I’ve got to pick the kids up she responds with ‘don’t worry I’ll let myself in and sit downstairs quietly’ or ‘I can pick them up’ etc etc.

When she’s here she is helpful around the house and doesn’t expect to be hosted etc but this also irritates me as she almost makes herself TOO at home… immediately letting herself in with her set of keys and then making herself cups of tea etc. My husband thinks this is fine as she is quiet and just gets on with things (his parents would insist on us getting the silver service out and waiting on them but that’s a whole other issue!)

My AIBU is she is going to house sit for us this weekend as we’re going away on Friday. Just had the standard text of ‘do you mind if I come Thursday lunchtime to avoid rush hour on the road’. Bear in mind we both live quite rurally and rush hour isn’t really a thing! The roads may be slightly busier but it’s not like we’re in central london. When I said I wasnt sure as I had a busy work day on Thursday (and I’ll be packing, washing etc and generally stressing before holiday with kids!) she said she would let herself in and be quiet.

I don’t know what to do as she is doing me a favour by house sitting and is generally very helpful with my kids. But I also don’t want her to show up at midday (or earlier!!) on Thursday while I’m trying to work and get my life sorted.

My husband things I’m being unreasonable because she won’t interrupt me and will just sit downstairs quietly reading/drinking tea but just the thought of her being in my house when I’ve got stuff to do really frustrates me and puts me on edge! AIBU or am I just an awful person?!

OP posts:
cestlavielife · 29/08/2023 11:11

Coukd she move house to be closer then she wont need to stay over?
But you benefitting from free childcare so?

fedupnow2 · 29/08/2023 11:14

Beastlyofburden · 28/08/2023 23:19

You need to pay someone - your poor mum - are you an only & spoilt?

Honestly you sound like such an awful person. What harm is she really doing? She's quiet, sees to herself, helps out with the kids and isn't in the way. Wtf can't she feel welcome in your home?? Even your dh doesn't have an issue, but you have with your own mother. You should be ashamed.

cestlavielife · 29/08/2023 11:15

Look for a place with her to move nearby before you find she has moved in with you
Why does she need to live two hours away ? What stops her moving to be 10 mins away from you?

enchantedsquirrelwood · 29/08/2023 11:15

Having read the update, you're just a people pleaser OP.

If she says she wants to house sit and you don't need it, you say no, I want to turn the water off and lock the house while I am away and not worry about you being in it on your own and something going wrong while you are there like a water leak or the hot water breaking down.

If she wants to stay while you are out, you say "no, that doesn't work for us, we have plans for the day and don't know when we'll be back - much better you go home and have your own timetable".

And repeat. Cracked record technique.

How old is your dc? Presumably they'll be going to school at some point?

Iateallthechocolate · 29/08/2023 11:16

It's not your mum, it's the anxiety and negativity she brings with her.
As a child this would have been internalised by you, so now it makes you on edge and unable to relax around her.
This is also why your husband and kids are fine with her. They weren't brought up by her.

Might be worth looking into how to remove yourself from the anxiety without avoiding your mum

enchantedsquirrelwood · 29/08/2023 11:18

fedupnow2 · 29/08/2023 11:14

Honestly you sound like such an awful person. What harm is she really doing? She's quiet, sees to herself, helps out with the kids and isn't in the way. Wtf can't she feel welcome in your home?? Even your dh doesn't have an issue, but you have with your own mother. You should be ashamed.

What's with the personal attack on the OP? You can disagree without making ridiculously nasty remarks.

itsmylife7 · 29/08/2023 11:19

So it's your Mums depressing view of the world, other doom and gloom that's the real issue?

If she was a bubbly positive person you'd be fine with the visits?

Has she always been like this OP ?

You appear to have a type of superficial Mother..Daughter relationship.

It's mentally draining being around this type of behaviour, I get the point you're making.

BakingBeanz · 29/08/2023 11:22

When I read the first post I thought OP sounded very unfair but actually from her updates I understand her position a lot more. Actually I’m not convinced that AIBU is a great place for this because it tends to be so polarised- either OP is an awful person or her mum is. And actually it sounds like you’re both nice people, it’s just the situation that is difficult.

Your mum is lovely but is also very lonely and misjudging boundaries. I wonder what her life is like when she’s on her own, if she finds volunteering to sit on her own in your house a better option. Might be worth having a chat with her about it all and helping her to get some things in place to help her feel less alone- activities or social clubs, say. Does she have many friends? Church?

fedupnow2 · 29/08/2023 11:23

@enchantedsquirrelwood why did you pick out mine when so many posters shared the same opinion. The op isn't even around this weekend yet she has a problem with her mother. Go read again that even her dh doesn't mind. I stand by that she's an awful person for using her mother when it suits her and complaining about her.

Shinyandnew1 · 29/08/2023 11:29

fedupnow2 · 29/08/2023 11:23

@enchantedsquirrelwood why did you pick out mine when so many posters shared the same opinion. The op isn't even around this weekend yet she has a problem with her mother. Go read again that even her dh doesn't mind. I stand by that she's an awful person for using her mother when it suits her and complaining about her.

She doesn’t want the childcare-she would rather find alternative childcare. She’s only continuing it because her mum would be sad otherwise.

She doesn’t want anyone house-sitting when she’s away.

She doesn’t want her mum staying in the house for half a week, every week.

Not wanting something to happen, but them doing it anyway despite whatever you say, doesn’t make you an awful person!

TripleDaisySummer · 29/08/2023 11:33

Go read again that even her dh doesn't mind.

He very well may not be getting the same behavior directed at him so doesn't get the irritation though PP mentioned internalising the anxiety from childhood which could also be impacting.

electriclight · 29/08/2023 11:35

Some pp seem cross that op's mum has invited herself to house sit.

I realise op doesn't have pets and doesn't need a house sitter.

But her mum hates the area she lives in and likes op's house by the sea. She has asked if she can stay there while they're away - not demanded, just asked. She sounds like the sort of person who will be useful and leave the place tidy so I don't really see the problem. Isn't it good to have the house looking lived in?

OP's DH doesn't see any of this as a problem and I assume he gets an equal say in things.

fedupnow2 · 29/08/2023 11:38

@Shinyandnew1 ok so if her mum is lonely then what does that mean? Tell her mum to go find a hobby, get a life or stop coming around? Because what else is she going to do. She isn't even going to be there over the weekend, what harm is her mum doing? Op can find a way to address the negativity but it seems her issue is that her mum is around too much. I can understand someone overbearing, untidy and unhelpful but her mum is the opposite.

saraclara · 29/08/2023 11:41

The three nights is too much, and you can absolutely say, "mum, I'm working until 5pm, so I would much prefer that you don't arrive until then. I know you're quiet, but it's still a distraction for me". And if you need her to leave on Saturday, then tell her you're going out somewhere.

BUT your attitude to her making a cup of tea is so unreasonable that I don't know where to start. I'd be horrified if anyone visiting my home and didn't feel able to make themselves a drink. The first thing I did when I have guests is show then where the kettle and coffee/tea are. And this is your mum!

I want people to feel at home when they stay with me. Whoever they are. My PILs made me feel at home in their house from the moment I met them, and I loved that when they came to us, they didn't think twice about making themselves constant cups of tea (MIL) or started doing my ironing (FIL!)

Elderflower14 · 29/08/2023 11:53

andrainwillmaketheflowersgrow · 29/08/2023 08:24

She's not an old lady though - she's only in her sixties! Plenty of people still work full-time at that age and have school-aged children at home as well.

I'm not sure why people are speaking about her as if she's in her eighties and housebound apart from when she sees her daughter Confused

Apologies!!

TripleDaisySummer · 29/08/2023 11:54

he has asked if she can stay there while they're away - not demanded, just asked. She sounds like the sort of person who will be useful and leave the place tidy so I don't really see the problem. Isn't it good to have the house looking lived in?

Problem is OP didn't want it and didn't feel able to say no.

I also don't get why her DH being fine means OP has to stuck it up - I think this is the issue really OP needs to find a way to say no and that it's okay for her to do this when she's not happy.

I think she need to be less of a doormat getting slowly ever more resentful and find proactive ways to manage situation so she is happy not just everyone else but her as well.

I don't think telling her everyone else being happy is more important and that she just need to suck up a situation making her unhappy is way to go but then my DMum did this and got very bitter over the years and I tried in it early years to find no-one appreciated it and I'd be run ragged biting my tongue feeling shit. I also suspect - again from experience - that Op will feel less resentful about tea making and Mum feeling at home if she feels more respected in her house and that she matters.

So find ways to manage the situation OP - your DMum won't change - so pick your battles but find a way to get to a situation you can cope with and that may mean talking to her about if she is really happy where she actually is and almost certainly saying no sometimes and finding ways to do that that don't cause long term upset.

JudgeJ · 29/08/2023 11:56

My AIBU is she is going to house sit for us this weekend as we’re going away on Friday. Just had the standard text of ‘do you mind if I come Thursday lunchtime to avoid rush hour on the road’. Bear in mind we both live quite rurally and rush hour isn’t really a thing!

Maybe you need to stop treating her like a public convenience and look after your own house and children.

andrainwillmaketheflowersgrow · 29/08/2023 11:57

nokidshere · 29/08/2023 10:37

@andrainwillmaketheflowersgrow Why would anyone think it was acceptable to invite themselves to house-sit without being asked or even told it's needed?

Anyone can ask what they like though. It's up to the person being asked to say no.

Mum: oh you are going away, can I stay in your house while you are gone?
Daughter: no, I don't want anyone in the house when I'm not here.

Easy Peasy

Did you miss OP's update? She says no but her mum just completely overrides her and stays in the house anyway.

her: ‘would you mind if I stayed until Sunday because the weather looks bad on Saturday for driving?’
Me: ‘I’m afraid we do have plans on Saturday’
her ‘that’s ok I can just stay in the house while you’re out’

Shinyandnew1 · 29/08/2023 11:58

JudgeJ · 29/08/2023 11:56

My AIBU is she is going to house sit for us this weekend as we’re going away on Friday. Just had the standard text of ‘do you mind if I come Thursday lunchtime to avoid rush hour on the road’. Bear in mind we both live quite rurally and rush hour isn’t really a thing!

Maybe you need to stop treating her like a public convenience and look after your own house and children.

Have you actually read the OP’s posts?

She doesn’t want her mum to house sit and she wants to find alternative childcare!

andrainwillmaketheflowersgrow · 29/08/2023 12:01

If OP posted saying her MIL was staying, uninvited, for three days a fortnight, letting herself in without knocking and insisting on house-sitting when she hadn't been asked, everyone would be up in arms and saying she had boundary problems and was rude/had no respect for privacy.

But when it's someone's mother, it's suddenly okay and she's just a lovely old woman helping out Confused

horseyhorsey17 · 29/08/2023 12:14

I know from bitter experience that lots of people don’t see WFM as ‘proper’ working and think they can just come over/meet you for coffee etc. My own mum is one of these - she’s never quite ‘got’ that I actually do work full time!

I would really struggle with someone encroaching on my time and home like your mum does. I love my mum but we niggle at each other after a few hours so visits have to be short and sweet. Luckily she gets this too tbf! I sympathise with your mum being lonely but I couldn’t cope well with that negativity either. I think you’ll just have to be a little firmer in setting clear boundaries (easier said than done, I know).

camelfinger · 29/08/2023 12:28

The OP doesn’t want anyone to house sit.
There are such double standards on this thread. If a DH wanted his poor lonely mother to stay for three nights a week then everyone would be on the woman’s side. There is a reason we all move out into our own places! There are lots of people I love but I don’t want to live with them part of the week, however lovely they are!

HauntedPencil · 29/08/2023 13:00

camelfinger · 29/08/2023 12:28

The OP doesn’t want anyone to house sit.
There are such double standards on this thread. If a DH wanted his poor lonely mother to stay for three nights a week then everyone would be on the woman’s side. There is a reason we all move out into our own places! There are lots of people I love but I don’t want to live with them part of the week, however lovely they are!

She's generally only staying to provide childcare?

andrainwillmaketheflowersgrow · 29/08/2023 13:13

HauntedPencil · 29/08/2023 13:00

She's generally only staying to provide childcare?

She's staying for three nights to provide childcare for one day.

She's also decided she needs to house-sit for the weekend even though she wasn't asked and there's absolutely no need for her to be there.

LookItsMeAgain · 29/08/2023 13:34

I selected YANBU from the options because I don't think you're unreasonable to want your home back and for your mum to not be creeping into overstaying her welcome.
The two could be mutually exclusive though. I don't think she's unreasonable to want to spend time with her grandchildren but she would be unreasonable to house sit because you don't have any pets and don't actually have any requirement for anyone to be in your home while you're not there.

My take on the situation is that she is probably very lonely where she is living now (as she doesn't appear to have any outside interests other than you and your family). Even though she claims that where you're living now has more crime, would she be open to moving to it if she could so that she too would have the amenities you have, be near the coast as you are. Would that be an option? She then would be able to see the kids more often but for less time per visit, flying visits so to speak.

I think you need to have a conversation with her and I'd not let her leave until she has heard your suggestion out, even if she might find it upsetting to begin with, it's a better option in the long run for her.