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Mum making herself too at home

222 replies

PandaRose · 28/08/2023 22:57

Firstly, apologies for the essay… Hoping you can all tell me if this is really irritating behaviour or if I am being totally unreasonable!

My mum is single and in her 60s and lives a couple of hours drive away. She is a very anxious person about a variety of things and it often makes me feel anxious just being around her because she will get herself into such a state about something like traffic or work and will relay it all in such a way that really puts me on edge.

Because of this I try to politely minimise spending too much time with her but I don’t confront her about it as I think that would make her feel more anxious/upset her which I don’t want to do. She is also very helpful with my kids and looks after them on a semi regular basis.

The thing that’s getting me down at the minute is the amount of time she spends at my house.

A few years ago when she first started looking after my kids for me on alternating Fridays, she would ask if she could come over Thursday night and stay over (fine with me as the drive is quite far and as I mentioned before she’s an anxious driver). But it’s started to become that she would turn up earlier and earlier on a Thursday and now turns up at midday, then will often stay until sat/sun.

She never really directly asks, it just starts to creep earlier and earlier. She will often last minute say she has a headache or is too tired to drive or is worried about driving in the rain etc etc. I know part of it is her anxiety but it does feel like she picks and choose the anxiety to excuse her staying as long as possible.

What I find particularly annoying is she will semi ‘ask’ by saying something like ‘do you mind if I come a bit earlier on Thursday due to X’, but the ‘do I mind’ is totally redundant as if I say yes I’ve got a busy day at work (I WFH) or yes I’ve got to pick the kids up she responds with ‘don’t worry I’ll let myself in and sit downstairs quietly’ or ‘I can pick them up’ etc etc.

When she’s here she is helpful around the house and doesn’t expect to be hosted etc but this also irritates me as she almost makes herself TOO at home… immediately letting herself in with her set of keys and then making herself cups of tea etc. My husband thinks this is fine as she is quiet and just gets on with things (his parents would insist on us getting the silver service out and waiting on them but that’s a whole other issue!)

My AIBU is she is going to house sit for us this weekend as we’re going away on Friday. Just had the standard text of ‘do you mind if I come Thursday lunchtime to avoid rush hour on the road’. Bear in mind we both live quite rurally and rush hour isn’t really a thing! The roads may be slightly busier but it’s not like we’re in central london. When I said I wasnt sure as I had a busy work day on Thursday (and I’ll be packing, washing etc and generally stressing before holiday with kids!) she said she would let herself in and be quiet.

I don’t know what to do as she is doing me a favour by house sitting and is generally very helpful with my kids. But I also don’t want her to show up at midday (or earlier!!) on Thursday while I’m trying to work and get my life sorted.

My husband things I’m being unreasonable because she won’t interrupt me and will just sit downstairs quietly reading/drinking tea but just the thought of her being in my house when I’ve got stuff to do really frustrates me and puts me on edge! AIBU or am I just an awful person?!

OP posts:
Suunnyd · 29/08/2023 09:05

Yanbu this would drive me nuts. I think you need to say you cant focus on work when she is in the house making tea etc. She is obviously lonely but putting herself on you rather than dealing with it. We said no to an offer of babysitting that would have seen mil stay over every week. Its too much.

JSmithIloveyou · 29/08/2023 09:07

My gosh...l can't believe what I've just read.. she's your Mum..she helps you out .. she wants to see you and her Grandkids.
What a lovely lady she seems.
You don't deserve her.
I'm her age and would be more anxious and upset if l didn't see my family at least once a week.
You are one mean daughter

andrainwillmaketheflowersgrow · 29/08/2023 09:08

Hufflepods · 29/08/2023 09:00

I can't imagine feeling this aggravated that your mum feels too at home in your house and is comfortable making herself cups of tea??!

I don't think it's about the cups of tea.

It's about the fact that her mum is constantly pushing boundaries. Inviting herself to stay for three nights without actually checking if it's okay. Inviting herself over to house-sit without actually being asked by her daughter.

Everyone is saying she sounds lovely but to me it sounds like she's totally lacking in boundaries and doesn't respect OP's home or personal space 🤷‍♀️

I love my mum but I wouldn't want her staying with me for three nights every fortnight, nor would I want her house-sitting for me when a) there's no reason for her to and b) I haven't even asked her!

Peony654 · 29/08/2023 09:10

It's fine you are annoyed by this, but she's doing you a favour with childcare/housesitting, and clear her anxiety playing a part. If you don't feel you can be more firm with when she arrives/leaves, then you might need to look at alternative childcare.

Peony654 · 29/08/2023 09:11

Also, I'm with your DH, I much prefer a close friend or relative to make themselves at home, make their own tea etc. I don't like to fuss over guests or constantly offer them whatever.

JulesJules · 29/08/2023 09:12

I've found this thread quite upsetting. Your poor lovely Mum.

BakingBeanz · 29/08/2023 09:14

her: ‘would you mind if I stayed until Sunday because the weather looks bad on Saturday for driving?’
Me: ‘I’m afraid we do have plans on Saturday’
her ‘that’s ok I can just stay in the house while you’re out’

I can see this is tricky. How would she react if you replied something like “that’s not going to work, unfortunately- it would be lovely to spend a day together soon though, how about [future date]?”

andrainwillmaketheflowersgrow · 29/08/2023 09:14

Peony654 · 29/08/2023 09:10

It's fine you are annoyed by this, but she's doing you a favour with childcare/housesitting, and clear her anxiety playing a part. If you don't feel you can be more firm with when she arrives/leaves, then you might need to look at alternative childcare.

But OP never asked her to house-sit. Her mum just took it upon herself to offer and wouldn't take no for an answer.

andrainwillmaketheflowersgrow · 29/08/2023 09:16

JulesJules · 29/08/2023 09:12

I've found this thread quite upsetting. Your poor lovely Mum.

I really don't understand what's so upsetting.

She's pushing OP's boundaries, inviting herself to stay when she's not been asked and even refuses to leave when OP says they're busy - she just stays in the house anyway.

That's not being a lovely mum. That's being rude.

Batatahara · 29/08/2023 09:17

She doesn't sound lovely at all.

I find this thread hard to read because I have a mother like this and I know others perceive her as lovely and me as insufficiently nice to her but I have had to be very firm about boundaries because she doesn't respect me as a person.

Unfortunately I have found that there isn't a way to do that which doesn't involve upsetting her, I just pick my battles

iamwhatiam23 · 29/08/2023 09:18

So she's ok to help you out but you resent her making herself at home? Have a word with yourself op, you are being selfish.

andrainwillmaketheflowersgrow · 29/08/2023 09:20

iamwhatiam23 · 29/08/2023 09:18

So she's ok to help you out but you resent her making herself at home? Have a word with yourself op, you are being selfish.

It's not about the making herself at home.

It's about constantly overstaying her welcome - staying the night when she hasn't even asked if it's okay, and inviting herself to house-sit when OP doesn't actually want or need her to.

That's not nice behaviour. That's pushing boundaries and making people feel uncomfortable - it's not okay even if she is OP's mother.

andrainwillmaketheflowersgrow · 29/08/2023 09:21

Batatahara · 29/08/2023 09:17

She doesn't sound lovely at all.

I find this thread hard to read because I have a mother like this and I know others perceive her as lovely and me as insufficiently nice to her but I have had to be very firm about boundaries because she doesn't respect me as a person.

Unfortunately I have found that there isn't a way to do that which doesn't involve upsetting her, I just pick my battles

💐💐

Wishihadanalgorithm · 29/08/2023 09:28

I can see both sides of this situation but on balance, OP I think you are so lucky to have your mum doing all the childcare she is. I understand the irritation that she overstays her welcome but no one is perfect and I think you get more from your mum coming and staying a bit too long than if she stoped coming over at all.

I would suggest you need to have a frank conversation with your mum about how long she stays. When she asks if it’s OK to stay and you say no, she has to respect that. Meanwhile, you can’t expect her to drive all that way and just be there for babysitting duties and then leave as soon as it suits you. She wants to be part of your family life too.

No one is perfect and I think you are actually lucky to have your mum.

Westfacing · 29/08/2023 09:29

I'm in my 60s and feel sad reading this.

Your poor mum drives two hours each way to provide childcare, housesits, helps around the house, doesn't expect to be entertained by you (unlike your in-laws), has been doing this for a few years you don't say how many years, and all she gets from you is irritation resentment at her presence.

She obviously doesn't like the drive so it's understandable she doesn't want to wait all day fretting about it so likes to set off early, get it out of the way.

You accept all the benefits of her availability but resent the downside.

You have a lovely mum and by the sounds of it a lovely understanding husband.

electriclight · 29/08/2023 09:32

"She's pushing OP's boundaries, inviting herself to stay when she's not been asked and even refuses to leave when OP says they're busy - she just stays in the house anyway.

That's not being a lovely mum. That's being rude."

But 'can you do a four hour round trip to babysit but do fuck off within hours of us arriving home' isn't?

There's a compromise surely.

I'd be happy with her arriving on Thursday afternoon and going home sometime on Saturday. Otherwise she's driving for two hours on Friday evening, in the dark for parts of the year, after a day of childminding.

RojoCarlottaValdez · 29/08/2023 09:35

You're talking about her like she's an annoying servant who is getting in your way.

Your poor, poor mama who is lonely and anxious and wants to help the family and be with you sometimes. You like to use her for childcare work and house-sitting work so you don't have to pay someone, but apart from that, it irritates you that "she makes herself at home"
Have a real think about what kind of person you have become.

Whatswhatwhichiswhich · 29/08/2023 09:35

Could you not just offer to drive her there and back if you don’t want her staying for days?

nokidshere · 29/08/2023 09:36

It's about the fact that her mum is constantly pushing boundaries. Inviting herself to stay for three nights without actually checking if it's okay. Inviting herself over to house-sit without actually being asked by her daughter.

It's really not the mothers fault her daughter can't be straight with her. If she hasn't been told no then she clearly thinks it's ok and everyone is happy with the arrangement. The only way to solve the problem is by talking to her and sticking to the boundaries that are set.

electriclight · 29/08/2023 09:36

"It's about constantly overstaying her welcome - staying the night when she hasn't even asked if it's okay, and inviting herself to house-sit when OP doesn't actually want or need her to."

Let's see if you'll be happy babysitting young children all day then driving for two hours immediately afterwards, often in the dark, as an anxious driver, in your 60s.

Or whether you'd think your good turn at least deserved an overnight stay in your daughter's spare bed.

I agree the Saturday night, third night, could be too much. I got the impression that was occasional rather than regular but think op should just tackle that issue directly.

electriclight · 29/08/2023 09:38

OP could always take the kids to her mum's house to avoid all of this. But then I suppose she isn't keen on the four hour round trip cutting into her time.

Do you reimburse her for the tank of petrol she uses fortnightly op?

Batatahara · 29/08/2023 09:40

nokidshere · 29/08/2023 09:36

It's about the fact that her mum is constantly pushing boundaries. Inviting herself to stay for three nights without actually checking if it's okay. Inviting herself over to house-sit without actually being asked by her daughter.

It's really not the mothers fault her daughter can't be straight with her. If she hasn't been told no then she clearly thinks it's ok and everyone is happy with the arrangement. The only way to solve the problem is by talking to her and sticking to the boundaries that are set.

She has been told no but just overrides the OP.

when she always asks ‘do you mind’ but when the answer is yes, it doesn’t make a difference to what she does anyway

PollyThePixie · 29/08/2023 09:40

Themosswidow · 29/08/2023 07:07

Loneliness corrodes your soul. And your body. Lonely people have worse health outcomes than smokers. Loneliness is highly correlated with developing dementia. OP you are lucky if you cannot empathize with the slow torture of chronic loneliness. Very lucky.

Your Mum sounds so lonely that she would rather sit by herself in a house with people she loves than sit in a house with no one. Being at your house must make her feel connected to other people rather than utterly alone.

She’s your Mum. How can you have such a lack of compassion and concern for her that you are looking to increase her loneliness ( and sense of usefulness and purpose) by reducing the time she spends with you and the help she gives you?

Threads like this make me despair of people, they really do.

Well said.

And you sound lovely by the way.

Goldbar · 29/08/2023 09:42

I would not be particularly bothered by this, but I can see why you might. I love the way my DM turns up and just gets started on whatever needs doing, whether it's entertaining the baby, cleaning the kitchen, cooking dinner, doing the laundry or building flat pack furniture. I'm only sad that we live too far for her to visit regularly!

But I agree that all visitors go 'off' at some point and, if I saw my mum as regularly as you see yours, I agree that this would probably be Friday or the start of Saturday rather than Sunday. As it us, because we only see her ever couple of months, I'm usually gasping for her next visit.

I'm not sure how you deal with this though. I have a very open relationship with my mother and we both know we're different personalities so are quite frank about the fact that 4/5 days is about the longest we can share a house for. She comes and stays, gives us that time, sorts us all out, sees the grandkids and then we're both happy to go our separate ways and give each other space.

HauntedPencil · 29/08/2023 09:42

I think driving up Thursday and back Saturday is very reasonable for a 4 hour round trip to look after your child for her. Especially as she's an anxious driver.