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I've made a massive mistake and ruined my DC lives.

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fml666 · 28/08/2023 10:26

I finally left my exDH ( father to my 2 DC) 3 years ago. He was a complete cocklodger who had checked out of family life and spent all his ( considerable) spare time on his phone, messaging other women it turned out. He "worked" as a self employed gardener which amounted to cutting a couple of lawns a week at most. Refused to get a proper job. Didn't do anything at home either, except hoard, buy dogs, and make a mess.

After we split he hardly saw the children, once every couple of weeks possibly? Has never contributed financially towards them until recently when CMS calculated he needed to pay £30 a month. I was working full time and really, really struggling with after school care etc. A year after we split I made the decision to move myself and my children to live near all my family so they could support us. Unfortunately this was 350 miles away though. The children were excited about this adventure at the time. They weren't bothered about leaving their DF as they hardly saw him.

3 years on and they are both unhappy here and want to move back to live near their DF. My DD12 is unrecognisable. She cuts herself, has been suicidal, has done terribly at school, etc etc. She says it's because she hates living here. We have a lovely house, family nearby and they both have friends here. But they still miss their DF. Despite the fact he never ever contacts them unless I make him, and only see him if I arrange it and take them to see him.

I'm really happy here, other than worry about the DC. I have a job I love, friends and a new partner. Which makes me feel even more guilty.

I can't put this right. I can't afford to move back there, and struggle like I did. But I feel my DDs life is getting worse and worse due to her seemingly being intent on making bad decisions ( seeking out troubled children, shop lifting, etc etc.)

I've only just admitted to myself today it was a mistake. I kept thinking they'd settle. But they haven't. It was the wrong thing to do for them. Can I put this right?

OP posts:
caramacyears · 29/08/2023 11:33

This will inevitably sound trite but you can only do your best, and it sounds like you have done that. As PP has said, the answer probably lies in getting appropriate support for your DD. Good luck

PhantomUnicorn · 29/08/2023 11:38

i don't facilitate contact between my teens and my Ex.

He knows where they are, if he wants to see them, he can make the effort, and i will make them available. As far as i am concerned, his relationship with them is his responsibility, and if he messes it up, that is 100% on him, and nothing to do with me. currently he's doing ok, see's them every other weekend, but previously he would drop to once a month because it was more important to play at gigs with his band than see his kids, and he's always talking about moving away and only seeing them during holidays, and he NEVER phones them between contact.

I provide a stable, loving, supportive, calm, friendly environment that is their safe space and their home, where they know they are safe, and loved unconditionally. What he does in his home is up to him. If they decided they didn't want to see him, i wouldn't force them.

OP.. stop facilitating the contact with their Dad, if he wants to see his kids, let him make the effort.. i know it'll be hard for your kids, but stop protecting him, stop making him look better than he is, let them see him for who he really is, and work on your own relationship with your kids.

BoohooWoohoo · 29/08/2023 11:54

I don't think the move ruined anybody's life and moving back won't sort anything.
I think that your dd made the right choice picking friends over dad and that's regardless of where you lived. It's a matter of time before ex deflected his lack of interest back on dd and pretended that he was the victim.

TheWayoftheLeaf · 29/08/2023 14:42

Icycloud · 28/08/2023 11:17

She isn’t doing that to herself because she misses her dad, check she isn’t talking to someone online or in real life who’s influencing her

She might be. I did similar at 16 and it was because I felt abandoned by him and blamed myself.

MumGMT · 29/08/2023 14:59

@AlienatedChildGrown

A practical response would be a more accurate representation of the picture we have been able to learn so far.

So there's no practical approach basically, because I have no idea what that's supposed to mean.

For the last thirty years (at least) the general public has received a somewhat different message about the children of separated parents. There is an understanding that the initial change in the family set up can be distressing for the children. However beyond that initial stage the message is one of children being resilient, and if one or both parents deemed family life unsustainable the children are de facto better off out of their “intact” family. That it is/was for their own good and their grief for the former life and parental bonds that they had can eased by reminding them of that.

Children are resilient and most will bounce back, plenty of data to show that, so if you don't want to accept that then don't bring data into it at all. For those who don't bounce back the outcome if the parents had stayed together is unknown, the home life could have deteriorated further if a couple choose to stay together when one wanted a divorce.

A major consideration that is never really taken into account when discussing this is the impact on the parents who stay in an unhappy relationship for the sake of their kids. I've seen people do this or try to do it who have ended up massively depressed, and often with physical health problems, some end up chronically unwell which impacts the children, not only in childhood but also when they are adults, young adults often have a lot of concern about their parents, they often have to look after them at an earlier age, they often have to provide care for them taking caring time away from themselves or their own children.

That child could go down in the childhood studies stats as suffering a negative outcome due to living with a parent with chronic illness...saved from possibly being one negative statistic but then represented in another.

Where the separation has led to little to no contact with one parent there is more inclination to undervalue the child’s grief for their loss. There is more inclination from the general public to muse that the children are mourning a mirage. That parent was a waste of space and didn’t really love them anyway.

A willingness as individuals to consider if maybe that’s not the best way to help children cope is a good place to start.

I think people say that on forums and with friends etc. as a way of venting. People very rarely say it to the kids. As individuals I think most try their very best to limit the damage and help kids to cope.

My dad abandoned his first child. I didn't know about her until I was an adult. Her trauma was evident when I met her, but I personally believe the way it was handled was what made it so traumatic. I don't want to say more as it could be outing.

I grew up with him and he caused me trauma that was just as significant but for different reasons. He's just not a good person. I am no contact with him now. I didn't realise he was a 'waste of space' until my 20s and that also caused me a lot of issues.

You cannot convince parents to recognise and prioritise their children’s needs if you distract them into full-time, self-defence mode.

We tried that. It didn’t work. It made things worse.

We've also tried staying for the kids and that didn't work and made things worse.
And we've also tried the pandering to the other parent approach and that hasn't worked.

Many follow the 'expert advice' given never to badmouth the other parent no what approach, and end up having to deal with what the OP is now dealing with, she covered for him to protect the children and now that is being used against her to make her look like the bad guy.

The only groups who try to distract people into full time, self defence mode are those misogynistic 'fathers' groups, as far as I have seen.

mathanxiety · 29/08/2023 15:21

They miss something they never had.

The damage was already done long before you split and moved.

You made the right decisions - your children need to be told some hard truths about their 'dad'. Top of the list has to be his complete lack of interest in seeing them or supporting them. This will be tough.

Can you afford family therapy?
Is your DD currently getting MH treatment?

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