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Pls help me find where to buy humane meat

199 replies

Orchidgal · 08/07/2023 19:15

I am looking for meat which is raised under highest standards of animal welfare: free-range obviously, and killed on the farm to avoid the stress of transportation to an abattoir.
Ideally in Wales as that’s where I live, but keen to hear of places further afield if they have a website and can purchase online.
Can anyone suggest anywhere?

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Staygoldponyboystaygold · 09/07/2023 01:06

So glad you’re not looking for human meat!!

HowcanIhelp123 · 09/07/2023 01:16

BrambIeberry · 09/07/2023 01:00

ALL plants are sources of protein.

You can be vegan. You don't want to.

Lol, pets aren't slaughtered for food. They are treated far better than live STOCK. LIVING creatures referred to as stock. Think on.

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😂😂😂😂😂 I think I'm going to believe the trained medical professionals over the person that thinks all plant material is protein (personally I think trying to get your daily 45g protein off cucumbers at 0.5g protein per 100g should be the new food eating challenge - fyi egg is 13g protein per 100g for comparison).

And if you think everyone treats their pets well I'm glad you've led such a sheltered existance. Any reasonable person sees all the unneutered pets abandoned and left to fend for themselves. Or the pets that deperately need vet treatment but the owners don't take as can't afford it. The dogs that don't get walked and left in isolation all day while their owners are at work. Or left to live struggling and in pain because the owners can't bear to let them go instead of having them put to sleep humanely. Livestock is treated better. Much better. You just don't want to see it.

iminvestednow · 09/07/2023 01:17

Yep, no vegans need to supplement their diet with vitamins or ship certain things halfway around the world to make sure they get a balanced diet. I have an allergy (epi pen) to loads of legumes even though I love them. There has never been a death of an infant due to parents obsession with being vegan….. oh wait…..

HeimishLondoner · 09/07/2023 01:27

Ofcourseshecan · 08/07/2023 22:29

Halal and kosher butchery is cruel to animals. Ritual killing, including halal and kosher, is about religion, not animal welfare. The UK government had to allow Muslims and observant Jews an exemption from animal-welfare laws!

The animal’s throat is cut and it bleeds to death, usually while fully conscious. The RSPCA and the British Veterinary Association have pressed for the law to require animals to be stunned first, but without success. Some halal meat is stunned, but this isn’t common.

There’s no law enforcing labelling of ritually slaughtered meat, so you’ve probably eaten it without knowing. But definitely don’t choose halal or kosher meat!

WADR you haven't a clue. I've seen kosher slaughter plenty of times. In fact just last week we slaughtered some animals to serve at my son's upcoming bar mitzva.

With sheep it takes max 1.5 seconds after being slaughtered before the sheep is rendered completely unconscious. Usually it's less than a second. Though I can't speak to what the animal feels for that moment, it's fleeting and over almost instantly.

Anti shechita movements are not driven by compassion to animals, as that's just not factually correct. Far more likely they're motivated by age old anti Jewish hatred.

LordSalem · 09/07/2023 02:28

Given how this thread played out, maybe you should look for humane human meat.

GoodMorninSunshine · 09/07/2023 02:39

The halal method of killing is completely inhumane to animals.

tt9 · 09/07/2023 02:39

LordSalem · 09/07/2023 02:28

Given how this thread played out, maybe you should look for humane human meat.

perhaps voluntarily donated human meat is the most humane? sorry couldn't resist the pun... yes I know it was in poor taste
what we really need is that cow from the restaurant at the end of the universe...

Emmamoo89 · 09/07/2023 02:45

Orchidgal · 09/07/2023 00:12

Argh, I promised myself that I wouldn’t engage in any arguments about this (as I knew there inevitably would be some) but I just feel I have to point out how massively counterproductive your argument is!! Such black-and-white binary thinking!

Can you not see that the whole of humanity is not going to suddenly turn Vegan tomorrow?

Can you not see that any change takes time and that baby steps in the right direction will get us there in the end?

Do you not think, given that people will still be buying and eating chickens and cows next week and next year (like it or not), that it is preferable for those animals to be well-cared for before they are slaughtered, rather than experience lives of abject pain and misery?

Baby steps, EmeraldFox, baby steps!!! If you care about animal welfare you should be supportive of high welfare farming, alongside your Vegan ministrations.

And now I am going to bed.

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One thing to point out the whole world will never be vegans. Most people are meat eaters and will stay that way.

wombat1a · 09/07/2023 02:52

Pawleygirl · 08/07/2023 19:38

I'm from another country, but I would look up any places that specify halal or kosher. Those should be the most humane places, and they would kill their animals humanely as well.

I would specifically avoid halal and kosher, slaughering larger animals on-farm (cow/sheep/pigs) is only done in extreme circumstances and under a license issued by a vet where an animal is unfit to be transported (e.g. broken leg). Part of the reason for this is that it is more humane to do it in the slaighterhouse that is purpose equipped for the job.

OTOH chickens/turkeys can very often be found home-reared and home-killed and dressed quite reasonably.

GrumpyPanda · 09/07/2023 02:59

Alwaysveggie · 08/07/2023 19:47

I mean, you cannot completely eliminate the cruelty of slaughtering a living being because you want to eat it. The animal will, at some point, feel fear and uncertainty as it's not exactly being snuck up on in the field whilst happily grazing and killed instantaneously. We also hope there is no pain (though how people say with assurance it's guaranteed they don't I'll never understand). If you're concerned about these ethical dilemmas, just stop eating meat. It's incredibly easy to do in this day and age with so many veggie options around, and it's so much cheaper 🤷🏻‍♀️

Not to worry, presumably it's about optimizing taste which isn't served by long stressful transports. But good of you and the two dozen others to butt in with your kind condescension.

Next up: whyyyyyy doesn't anybody liiiiiiike us?

EightyThree · 09/07/2023 03:16

Ah, the weekly pro meat eating, anti vegan thread with the OPs faux naivety.

AllyCart · 09/07/2023 03:59

If OP had asked where to buy paint for her house the vegans would have turned up to tell her to live in a tent.

Why not go and start your own thread about not eating meat instead of derailing this one?

EmeraldFox · 09/07/2023 07:01

EightyThree · 09/07/2023 03:16

Ah, the weekly pro meat eating, anti vegan thread with the OPs faux naivety.

No, the vegans turned up to derail the thread

GoldenKiwi · 09/07/2023 07:02

@EmeraldFox they can't help themselves, they are so convinced they are right. It's like a cult. There is no flexibility and they are willing to damage their own health for the sake of 'the animals'.

Yes all plants have protein but you have to eat A LOT of them to get enough. Which usually means eating a fuck ton of carbs with it.

Plant protein is NOT the same as animal protein and there are certain amino acids you just cannot get in plants.

Alwaysveggie · 09/07/2023 07:04

GoldenKiwi · 09/07/2023 07:02

@EmeraldFox they can't help themselves, they are so convinced they are right. It's like a cult. There is no flexibility and they are willing to damage their own health for the sake of 'the animals'.

Yes all plants have protein but you have to eat A LOT of them to get enough. Which usually means eating a fuck ton of carbs with it.

Plant protein is NOT the same as animal protein and there are certain amino acids you just cannot get in plants.

A cult 🤣🤣🤣

Please don't worry about my amino acid intake, I promise I'm alright!

Greenfishy · 09/07/2023 07:04

Haven’t read the whole thread but halal don’t stun before slaughter, so for me that’s not humane.
I use Ginger Pig butchers, but not sure if they’ll deliver that far.

GoldenKiwi · 09/07/2023 07:36

I'm glad it's working for you @Alwaysveggie , but it doesn't work for everyone. And I think buying the most humane meat possible is a great way forward for omnivores.

Alwaysveggie · 09/07/2023 07:47

GoldenKiwi · 09/07/2023 07:36

I'm glad it's working for you @Alwaysveggie , but it doesn't work for everyone. And I think buying the most humane meat possible is a great way forward for omnivores.

Oh I agree completely, the world will never be fully vegetarian so this is definitely a better option to consider. It's a difficult one as there is far too much farmed meat in the world (not so much UK, but in the states and Argentina etc) which is an environmental nightmare, but similarly I don't feel it's right for farmers to not have a livelihood anymore, so then I think well make it cost a lot more but reduce the number of farmed livestock, and make meat eating a luxury which only happens 1-2 times a week, but then how is it fair to price people out of eating meat and making it only a commodity for the rich, so does it need subsidised by the government, but let's be honest that will never happen. So I don't know what the solution is, but agree looking for more humane options and committing to only eating meat a few times a week rather than every day is definitely the best place to start!

EmeraldFox · 09/07/2023 07:53

Surely it's the grams per week rather than days? You could eat a 200g steak or make a chilli to serve 10 with 500g mince.

Elephantinasandstorm · 09/07/2023 07:55

You all know about 95% of halal meat in uk i stunned, yeah?
Kosher isn't.
In theory and proper practice it is actually better than many other slaughter processes.

There is no humane meat. Unless you grow and kill it yourself you don't get anywhere close (you don't even with your own rearing tbh)

Alwaysveggie · 09/07/2023 07:55

EmeraldFox · 09/07/2023 07:53

Surely it's the grams per week rather than days? You could eat a 200g steak or make a chilli to serve 10 with 500g mince.

True!

gogomoto · 09/07/2023 07:58

There's a place not too far from Chepstow, they delivered to me in lock down. I was told full traceability etc

DiscoBeat · 09/07/2023 08:02

I'd rather shit glass in to my hand and clap than become vegan/veggie
Charming.

FourChimneys · 09/07/2023 08:07

I agree with you about baby steps OP.

I haven't found a good reason to eat meat for over 50 years but for some people it needs to be a gradual change.

Maraudingmarauders · 09/07/2023 08:12

@Orchidgal Field and Flower are based in the southwest. They have excellent standards, their chicken is 0 miles from raising to abattoir. All meat is excellent quality and raised to highest standards (not red tractor nonsense).

In Wales, or on the border, the best I know of is Wild By Nature, I think you can shop online. Their meat comes frozen but is superb quality and all from their farm or local farms.with minimal transport to abattoir. Very high welfare. They have a pub at Craswall.called The Bulls Head Inn where you can eat the meat they produce and it is excellent.

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