To think men can NEVER be mothers

[Leafstamp]

I am furious that men like this think they can call themselves mums/mothers. This deserves a wide audience, hence posting in AIBU.

(11) Paul Embery on Twitter: "ITV news did a piece about the impact of soaring water bills on an everyday mother. So naturally they got a man to play the part. t.co/b0ipO7loUE" / Twitter

This is a trans woman, who never has and never will be an actual biological woman.
By extension, that perhaps makes them a trans mother, but not an actual, real, female mother, as they are the wrong sex for that and always will be.

Fuck!

A daughter? A daughter who will see their presumed biological father perform the very stereotypes that so many women have tried to abolish, and this male person is doing this in the very name of 'progress'.

And people supporting this simply cannot see the inherent misogyny in this movement.

Instead they parrot the mantras and never once think of the effect on these children. They never once think of the regressive messages that are being relayed to the children.

So much special pleading for the man feelings. What about the children's feelings? They aren't just props in the majestic story of his fabulous life. They're people. Actual human people caught up in this insane vanity project, being gaslight to hell and back, cheered on by people who won't engage their brains further than #bekind (to men).

I'm sick of reading all of these posts either on here or on twitter, calling women transphobic for pointing out the truth.

He can do what he wants, if that involves performing motherhood with breast pump in full view, then that's his prerogative. What he can't do is get everyone else to go along with his charade.

I do not and never will see men like this as women let alone mothers. I see it as a man performing his fetish and society compelling women to comply with his demands otherwise be demonised.

As someone on twitter said, have we really got to the point where men are calling for a woman to be sacked (Rosie Duffield) for saying that men cannot be mothers? What we are witnessing is collective insanity.

Absolutely 💯 agree 👏👏👏

And the reason why it feels OK to so many people is that some women are happy to go along with it! As if it's perfectly reasonable for men to denigrate and call for the sacking of women who think that this is ludicrous! I honestly don't know what further insults await us as the lads and the #bekinders harangue and abuse women who aren't going along with this stupid nightmare of a ridiculous experiment.

He's not being respectful - he's pandering to stereotypes. He is not a woman, he's a bloke who likes traditionally feminine things. Fine. Nobody cares.

But they do care if he calls himself a mother. Complete Emperors New Clothes nonsense.

No. Men cannot just appropriate women's lives, words and world.

A man cannot be a mother. The word has a clear, specific meaning.

A skirt and long hair does not make him a woman, it's disrespectful to women to suggest that s what we are.

All in the name of progress and inclusiveness.

Like the cervical cancer who published a glossary of terms that included 'bonus hole' as a valid and accepted description of a vagina. Like that doesn't actively support female people who hate their body continuing to hate their body, so much so that they have to use vile porn terms to show just how 'manly' they are or how much they hate their body. And this too is being said to be progressive and inclusive.

I cannot believe that some women cannot see what is right infront of their faces.

It is just respectful? Like fuck it is.

Like the cervical cancer who published a glossary of terms that included 'bonus hole' as a valid and accepted description of a vagina.

Say what? 😡

So it's OK for him to be disrespectful to actual women actual mothers the mother of his children and his children by denying them a dad and insisting they call him mum!

Right!

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4838405-bonus-hole?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

Enjoy!!!!!!

I’ll not forgive the women who clapped along the to this - what a stupid nightmare of a ridiculous experiment indeed.

Some "women" also have 'Bonus Balls'. It's like the National Lottery, but without the upside!

I assume "TRA" is Trans Rights Activist; you make it sound like a slur. Why, if you believe Trans people have rights, is being active to promote those a bad thing?

I agree about gender stereotypes but to my mind that's what Gender Critical Feminists/TERFs (and I'm linking but not conflating them) seem to want to preserve.

In what possible way is she a threat to you, my wife, Mother or Daughter?

Live and let live.

You say this but you're clearly not open to discussing other opinions than yours. She's a mother because she's a parent and says she's a mother. Almost any mother you know could be trans, if you don't know it doesn't seem to hurt you though... Maybe worry about more important issues like rising energy costs!

“I agree about gender stereotypes but to my mind that's what Gender Critical Feminists/TERFs (and I'm linking but not conflating them) seem to want to preserve.”

Then I suggest you actually read outside your obviously narrow choices of information sources while also applying some critical thinking ability.

Do you understand that the term ‘gender critical feminist’ was referring to being critical of gender stereotypes? Do you think that the second wave feminists, who started to raise the alarms about the conflicts of rights between women and males who claimed to be women, miraculously switched beliefs to preserve gender stereotypes?

Do you understand what it is that the people you have called ‘terfs’ (recognised in a court case as being a derogatory term) are campaigning for?

Or have you just read some deeply prejudices take from some social media platform and are regurgitating it here?

The people you call terfs want to abolish gender stereotypes. All of them! It doesn’t mean they don’t want to acknowledge the realities of having a sexed female body that has its own needs. These are not stereotypes, but by all means, if you disagree with this maybe you should explain why you would think female people having much less punch power than male people (even with lowered testosterone) is not a fact that needs to be acknowledged?

OR. Have you fallen for the dishonest move to detach the word feminist from the term gender critical? That detachment has been done by extreme trans activists who have done this so that they can expand the number of groups under the term. And by doing so include groups who are no where aligned with feminists. The only thing they agree on is that sex is immutable. Just like water is wet.

By expanding the groups under the term, it makes the term absolutely meaningless. Because now groups who embrace gender stereotypes are called ‘gender critical’. Because some activists decided to change the definition. Those groups may want some outcomes that may at first glance look similar to feminists, however, they are motivated by very different beliefs.

Either way, you are wrong that any feminist who prioritises sex over gender is ‘preserving’ stereotypes?

That's a man, though. There's no 'she' involved.
Why can't he just be 'Dad' to those poor children who he's fucking up with his gaslighting?

I'm also sure that's incredibly boring for those in the 'Queer Community'.

How come trans women get 'mother', and we have to put up with cervix haver, bleeders and chest feeding.

It's funny, isn't it?? 🤨

And @Ladyoftheknight - all the publicity must be some first class wank fodder for him.

I dread to think. 🤢

You think trans people wank to ITV news? Pal, come on.

We can be mothers just like her. If you don't like silly titles like cervix havers, why call a woman a dad?

You clearly know nothing about AGPs - which this man obviously is.

Right down to the breast pump on the draining board on the kitchen.

On Mumsnet, it is the acronym that dare not speak its name.

The truth hurts.

I enjoyed the fact that he had to prove he was a mother by wearing a skirt and doing the laundry, just in case anyone was confused about his role.

I agree about gender stereotypes but to my mind that's what Gender Critical Feminists/TERFs (and I'm linking but not conflating them) seem to want to preserve.

Then you've got the whole entire thing arse-backwards.

Feminists and feminism are about challenging stereotypes. Hence 'gender critical'.