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To think men can NEVER be mothers

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Leafstamp · 29/06/2023 13:35

I am furious that men like this think they can call themselves mums/mothers. This deserves a wide audience, hence posting in AIBU.

(11) Paul Embery on Twitter: "ITV news did a piece about the impact of soaring water bills on an everyday mother. So naturally they got a man to play the part. t.co/b0ipO7loUE" / Twitter

https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1674332639921045505

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Emeraldrings · 03/07/2023 16:42

Not quite the same but one of my friends lost her mum very young so dad was her only parent. She used to buy him stuff on Mother's day because she felt he'd tried to be a good mum and dad to her. It's not the same as he didn't call himself her mum but she obviously saw him as both.

Bornin1989 · 03/07/2023 16:50

@Leafstamp Ah I see it now! I think it's cos I don't have Twitter, but usually I can see tweets so got a bit confused. Thanks for sharing the other clip too!

Bornin1989 · 03/07/2023 17:02

I think this is fine, and lovely. As a PP says, it's about context. If a person has to fill the roles of both parents due to the loss of a partner for whatever reason, it's fine. In these situations, the person is often referred to as "mum and dad" to recognise the fact they have had to fulfil the role that traditionally two parents have fulfilled.

For a transwoman to just decide they "are" a mum, because they "are" a woman, there's no respect or consideration for the children, partner, other mothers and what we go through, other women in general.

To go as far as to role play at breastfeeding a baby, that is just beyond disrespectful and delusional to be genuinely sick and completely f**d up, and if chemicals were involved to induce lactation (why?!?!) then also physically damaging the baby in order to, at best, complete a delusion and play along with a mental illness or, at worst, fulfil a sexual fetish whilst being lauded as brave and fierce 🤮🤮🤮

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 03/07/2023 17:12

So for those of you that don't care, presumably now language for you is just a giant free for all? I can take any word I want and use it in any way I want?

So when I say today I took my dog to the vet - tell me what that means. Tell me it's not ridiculous if I tell you what that means to me is that yesterday I took my baby to the doctor?

IhaveanewTVnow · 03/07/2023 22:25

Emeraldrings · 03/07/2023 16:42

Not quite the same but one of my friends lost her mum very young so dad was her only parent. She used to buy him stuff on Mother's day because she felt he'd tried to be a good mum and dad to her. It's not the same as he didn't call himself her mum but she obviously saw him as both.

No one has ever said that would be wrong. It’s perfectly ok. Your friend’s dad isn’t saying he is a woman.

lifeturnsonadime · 03/07/2023 22:52

ChiefWiggumsBoy · 03/07/2023 17:12

So for those of you that don't care, presumably now language for you is just a giant free for all? I can take any word I want and use it in any way I want?

So when I say today I took my dog to the vet - tell me what that means. Tell me it's not ridiculous if I tell you what that means to me is that yesterday I took my baby to the doctor?

This is such a good point.

Words have to have meanings otherwise no one has a clue what anyone is talking about.

Men cannot be women.

Men cannot be mothers.

Unless we completely change the meaning of words and if that happens no one will have a clue what someone is talking about.

Catsanfan · 05/07/2023 16:11

Abhorrent individual

FemaleAndLearning · 08/07/2023 09:33

The baby girl is now about 3. She is referred to as my kid so I don't think mum is around.

Sally2791 · 20/09/2023 22:41

Well I think they can…

Letsgetouttahere2023 · 20/09/2023 22:42

I can only think they have a weird fetishism where they want to take over all women's spaces in some kind of power play

And the woke majority let them

Rainbowshit · 20/09/2023 23:49

Sally2791 · 20/09/2023 22:41

Well I think they can…

Well you'd be very wrong then.

POTC · 21/09/2023 00:28

I was brought up by my father. I'd have had no objection to him saying he had the role of both mother and father to me, because he did.

TorqueWrench · 21/09/2023 00:33

With experts predicting that the first male womb transplant is 5-10 years away I think we'll likely see men giving birth in our lifetime. I'm most curious to see how the first mumsnet thread on that goes!

Clymene · 21/09/2023 07:13

TorqueWrench · 21/09/2023 00:33

With experts predicting that the first male womb transplant is 5-10 years away I think we'll likely see men giving birth in our lifetime. I'm most curious to see how the first mumsnet thread on that goes!

'Experts'

Helleofabore · 21/09/2023 08:20

TorqueWrench · 21/09/2023 00:33

With experts predicting that the first male womb transplant is 5-10 years away I think we'll likely see men giving birth in our lifetime. I'm most curious to see how the first mumsnet thread on that goes!

Then you’d be able to explain the steps via the ethical standards board that currently has made maybe one change in one hundred years to move the time of embryo destruction by a matter of days to allow stem cell experiments, will allow embryos to be used for such unethical experiments?

All those people who are making such rash declarations forget that small issue…

And the two other very relevant ones. The rat experiment in China. And the lamb in the bag experiment.

There are so many serious ethical considerations.

However, the reality is that so many people who declare this is going to happen don’t seem to comprehend the female endocrine system and other parts of the body that control a pregnancy is NOT present in a male body. And no one has worked out how to transplant all of those parts while suppressing the genetic coding of the male body so a male body can develop an embryo to deliver a live and healthy infant.

An infant that has not been effectively grown in a bag implanted into a male and then injected with all the substances a male simply cannot produce that medical experts have no fucking idea what conditions that will cause the human as they develops into adulthood.

This is fucking Mumsnet! And some posters seriously have either never thought about it, or they ignore the child is a human or something. I actually believe that I don’t think they actually understand pregnancy at all.

nothingcomestonothing · 21/09/2023 08:25

TorqueWrench · 21/09/2023 00:33

With experts predicting that the first male womb transplant is 5-10 years away I think we'll likely see men giving birth in our lifetime. I'm most curious to see how the first mumsnet thread on that goes!

Actual experts, or people who identify as experts?

Bornin1989 · 21/09/2023 10:43

Helleofabore · 21/09/2023 08:20

Then you’d be able to explain the steps via the ethical standards board that currently has made maybe one change in one hundred years to move the time of embryo destruction by a matter of days to allow stem cell experiments, will allow embryos to be used for such unethical experiments?

All those people who are making such rash declarations forget that small issue…

And the two other very relevant ones. The rat experiment in China. And the lamb in the bag experiment.

There are so many serious ethical considerations.

However, the reality is that so many people who declare this is going to happen don’t seem to comprehend the female endocrine system and other parts of the body that control a pregnancy is NOT present in a male body. And no one has worked out how to transplant all of those parts while suppressing the genetic coding of the male body so a male body can develop an embryo to deliver a live and healthy infant.

An infant that has not been effectively grown in a bag implanted into a male and then injected with all the substances a male simply cannot produce that medical experts have no fucking idea what conditions that will cause the human as they develops into adulthood.

This is fucking Mumsnet! And some posters seriously have either never thought about it, or they ignore the child is a human or something. I actually believe that I don’t think they actually understand pregnancy at all.

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Indeed. To add that "all those people making such rash declarations" think that women's role in a pregnancy is passive, with our vagina just being "a hole" for the baby to come out of.

Mysogynistic bollocks - reducing women to holes once more. I don't see how a baby would come out of transwoman's vagina anyway, which indeed is 'just a hole' given it has zero in common with a vagina other than its location.

Sayitaintso33 · 21/09/2023 12:01

I don't think men can be a women but I do think they can be mothers, just as they can be housewives if they want.

Clymene · 21/09/2023 12:02

Sayitaintso33 · 21/09/2023 12:01

I don't think men can be a women but I do think they can be mothers, just as they can be housewives if they want.

The word mother means female parent. Men cannot become mothers. Because they are men.

Terfsichore · 21/09/2023 12:06

Sayitaintso33 · 21/09/2023 12:01

I don't think men can be a women but I do think they can be mothers, just as they can be housewives if they want.

Don't be stupid 🤡

Baldieheid · 21/09/2023 12:20

Sayitaintso33 · 21/09/2023 12:01

I don't think men can be a women but I do think they can be mothers, just as they can be housewives if they want.

Jfc. What the hell are you smoking?

Maatandosiris · 21/09/2023 12:31

It’s easy, we have this marvellous thing called the dictionary - this defines a mother as a female parent. The term parent isn’t in question so we look at the definition of female.

Female - of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes.

Therefore a man (an adult human male) can never be a mother.

Language means something. It is important.

Maatandosiris · 21/09/2023 12:34

Helleofabore · 21/09/2023 08:20

Then you’d be able to explain the steps via the ethical standards board that currently has made maybe one change in one hundred years to move the time of embryo destruction by a matter of days to allow stem cell experiments, will allow embryos to be used for such unethical experiments?

All those people who are making such rash declarations forget that small issue…

And the two other very relevant ones. The rat experiment in China. And the lamb in the bag experiment.

There are so many serious ethical considerations.

However, the reality is that so many people who declare this is going to happen don’t seem to comprehend the female endocrine system and other parts of the body that control a pregnancy is NOT present in a male body. And no one has worked out how to transplant all of those parts while suppressing the genetic coding of the male body so a male body can develop an embryo to deliver a live and healthy infant.

An infant that has not been effectively grown in a bag implanted into a male and then injected with all the substances a male simply cannot produce that medical experts have no fucking idea what conditions that will cause the human as they develops into adulthood.

This is fucking Mumsnet! And some posters seriously have either never thought about it, or they ignore the child is a human or something. I actually believe that I don’t think they actually understand pregnancy at all.

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Great post. It’s almost like people are wishing for a dystopian future

Maatandosiris · 21/09/2023 12:36

TorqueWrench · 21/09/2023 00:33

With experts predicting that the first male womb transplant is 5-10 years away I think we'll likely see men giving birth in our lifetime. I'm most curious to see how the first mumsnet thread on that goes!

Can you link to these experts with peer reviewed research papers on how this will be possible. I’m still waiting for the explosion in personal helicopter taxis predicted in Brave New World