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Should I ruin everything for everyone or AIBU?

217 replies

HadMeAtCello · 26/06/2023 19:27

Not a professional Mumsnet person - so might not be great at posting - but have created such a web of lies to stop friends and family worrying/judging in real life that I need some perspective please.

It's a long story but here's the short-ish version. I started dating DH when we were in college. We were sixteen then - we're in our thirties now. We've got two primary school aged DC and got married not long ago. Our relationship has always been tumultuous. Mainly because he could never 'settle' but would never leave. Throughout our relationship he's had a history of getting drunk to excess, going out all night with no way of contacting him, cheating with other women. Rinse. Repeat.

There's also been some fairly abusive behaviour which I've come to realise isn't acceptable. Things like driving recklessly - trying to frighten me - with me and the kids in the car (even though I was screaming for him to stop). On several occasions he's started an argument and then stormed off to his parents/friends house for up to 3/4 months - leaving me with both children. There's also a physical side - I know lots of women are living through unimaginable domestic violence and this is nothing compared to that but on at least ten occasions over the past 15 years he has been violent (hitting/punching/shoving).

On the most recent occasion, DH lost it because of something I said to him - he couldn't recall what it was that I'd said, he got right up in my face and started threatening me, DS was present and started shouting 'don't hurt my mummy' as he was dragging me about. DH stormed out and was gone for three months over the Christmas period. On the advice of a concerned manager I logged the bruises with my doctor - I'd never taken this step before even though I've had lots of bruises from him.

This was the first time DH has been like that in front of the children and it frightened me that things were progressing like that. It was a really difficult few months - I was very down but tried my best to make it a nice Christmas for the children. They were really badly affected and cried a lot saying they missed him - he did take them for the odd overnight visit and continued to contribute towards bills. I didn't ask for him to come back though as I felt relieved and like this might have been a natural end to the relationship and maybe we could have put some better arrangements in place to role model better behaviour/relationships for the children.

However, as time wore on, DC began to have some emotional issues at school and DH started asking to come back. I felt like I was ruining everything for everyone so I let him come back and he has been sleeping on the sofa for five months. He does an equal share of the childcare and household duties but we are like ships in the night. Once the children are stowed away for the night - I go to my room and he hangs out in the living room.

Anyway, I had a couple of glasses of prosecco this weekend and ended up getting really upset and messy in front of a number of the mums at school. I'm absolutely mortified and take full responsibility for my behaviour - I shouldn't be drinking if I'm not in control but I realise that I'm not OK at all - it's always in the back of my mind and I just don't ever see anything changing. I was open about what went down at Christmas to family and friends but as time wore on people stopped asking how things were as I'm not falling apart and I guess they assume that I've got a handle on things. There is no handle - otherwise I could open the door and exit.

So....Should I ruin everything for everyone and try and move me and the kids back in with my parents/ try to make it on my own?

YABU - these things happen, relationships are hard work and things will get better with time.

YANBU - there's only one life - nothing is worth being this unhappy.

Any advice appreciated. Does this relationship sound like it could be saved? I've done such a shit job at managing it over the past 15 years that I genuinely don't know what I'm doing or if I can trust myself.

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NerrSnerr · 27/06/2023 14:51

If they needed to come back home as adults I'd do anything to get them help and look after them.

You need to channel that everyday into doing anything for them right now. Have you spoken to women's aid? Or a solicitor? I would also recommend writing down everything with a timeline and reporting it to the police so that you put steps in place to try and protect the children.

It seems a lot to handle but your children only have two parents and you need to protect them. If you end up hospitalised (or worse) what will happen to them?

Ponderingwindow · 27/06/2023 15:07

Those complicated feelings you have for your abuser, those are the same complicated feelings your children have for their abuser. Make no mistake, he doesn’t have to actually hit the children to include them in the abuse.

ArseMenagerie · 27/06/2023 15:55

Sorry about your Mum. She sounds selfish and useless to be blunt.
Phone woman’s aid and WELL DONE for making the choice to protect and nurture your kids and yourself (both equally important btw) by deciding to leave. You are brilliant.

Johnisafckface · 27/06/2023 17:38

I didn't have to read past the second paragraph. Fuck that - LTB. Cheating repeatedly, excessive drinking are deal breakers for me. Leave as soon as you can.

Iknowthis1 · 27/06/2023 17:44

"I know lots of women are living through unimaginable domestic violence and this is nothing compared to that"

This is it nothing. This is a very abusive relationship. Get out.

billy1966 · 27/06/2023 17:44

Not a generational issue, your mother is just awful.

You poor woman.

I'm so sorry your mother is a waste of space.

Please reach out for support via Women's aid and see what advice they can offer housing wise.

mayorofcasterbridge · 27/06/2023 18:02

billy1966 · 27/06/2023 17:44

Not a generational issue, your mother is just awful.

You poor woman.

I'm so sorry your mother is a waste of space.

Please reach out for support via Women's aid and see what advice they can offer housing wise.

^ this.

And tbh your mother probably bears some responsibility for the situation you are now in!

letmeeatcrisps · 27/06/2023 18:31

Op if you can’t stay in your house anyway I would recommend temporary / emergency housing via your local donestic abuse agency - my friend went to a refuge for 3 months and then got a council house, I know it sounds scary but she said it was actually really nice. I was told I’d be in temporary housing for a year (I’m in London) then they’d get me into social housing, it seems scary and shit but it’s not, honestly, anything’s better than living with an abusive man. You will feel so much better without him, I moved to a new area and started making friends, went on antidepressants to help with the ptsd and I have no regrets. I’m sharing a room with my two kids and have no garden, coming from a 4bed with garden it was an adjustment at first but it’s still better than living with a man who makes your life hell (however occasionally that may be). Also your kids will start to think it’s normal, my DD3 has never lived in a non-abusive household until recently and it’s amazing to see it clicking into place for her - daddy shouting at and hitting mummy is NOT NORMAL (or safe, or necessary).
you can do this. Surviving an abusive relationship is hard as hell, you are extremely tough for making it this far and you will all be so much better off without him.
my ex still thinks I’m coming back despite being in court for assaulting me and I have nightmares about him every night but I will never go back now
additionally, I had video evidence of him attacking me but as it was over six months ago the police couldn’t press charges. So even though he pushed me down stairs while pregnant there’s nothing they can do about that. So you have to report the physical abuse as quickly as you can, and get it logged. Just some advice on managing expectations re court.
wishing you all the best x
also, online forums like mumsnet and the abusive relationships / narcissistic spouses subreddits have helped me immeasurably, I have not told anyone I know what we are going through but I have been meeting other lone mums out and about and that always helps too

HotWithNoRain · 27/06/2023 19:10

Did your Mum used to warn you off him when you were younger? Might her awful response to your plea for help be because she thinks you've chosen to stay with him for so long! Obviously this is NO EXCUSE for her horrible behaviour but it might be an explanation of sorts.

OP, there are people and organisations that can help you. However clear it is that you should leave it is always very difficult.

WineOclock2019 · 27/06/2023 23:30

Emotionalsupportviper · 27/06/2023 07:18

Years this happened for, and now at nearly 30. I still struggle with my MH and gobsmacked at the childhood I had/witnessed for myself/mum/siblings.

Same - I am weeping here, reading your account. It has brought so much back.

It breaks my heart to think how many women and children are living desperate lives of fear and pain. It's just dreadful. Constant fear, constantly being on the alert, treading on eggshells, never knowing if there is going to be violence (ohysical or verbal) is so very damaging. Children can't even sleep properly - my poor brother used to cry in his sleep, he was so afraid.

Sorry to hear you must of had a similar upbringing, and brought back memories ❤. Also sorry to hear you and your brother went through what you may of too. Its shite isn't it, thinking back to this was what we thought was actually a normal life when it was far from it. Social services, walking round in sunglasses in winter. But growing up in this environment, you didn't understand that this wasn't normal.

I echo what you say -
It breaks my heart to think how many women and children are living desperate lives of fear and pain. It's just dreadful. Constant fear, constantly being on the alert, treading on eggshells, never knowing if there is going to be violence (ohysical or verbal) is so very damaging. Children can't even sleep properly.

I hope all is well now? Especially you and your brothers MH too, as I know how I feel. I also, I hate to say, resent my mother, for bringing us up in such a toxic relationship/family home, with so much violence/mental abuse, at at young age with even younger siblings. She had many opportunities to leave, houses in place ready, injunctions, but never did and he always came back, after making out "Mum wouldn't be happy without him" so we'd sucked it up, accepted what would come, to think we were making her happy.

Just to let you know, my inbox is always open if you ever want to get anything off you chest or just to chat also to @HadMeAtCello or anyone else on this post. I know how much relief you can get from sometimes just writing words down. Even without sending.

Also I'm so sorry @HadMeAtCello that your family have been the way they have, please take the brilliant advice from the brilliant MNs who have offered the useful advice and numbers which will help. I know its hard and a massive change but this isn't the life you and your children deserve. Hope all goes well and sending love and support ❤xxx

Orders76 · 27/06/2023 23:59

If it's possible to have a safe conversation tell him you want therapy.
I'd you don't feel you can do that, there really is nothing left and you must leave.

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 28/06/2023 00:19

Orders76 · 27/06/2023 23:59

If it's possible to have a safe conversation tell him you want therapy.
I'd you don't feel you can do that, there really is nothing left and you must leave.

Therapy isn't going to make him listen when he ignores his own son telling him not to hurt mummy.

Emotionalsupportviper · 28/06/2023 06:29

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 28/06/2023 00:19

Therapy isn't going to make him listen when he ignores his own son telling him not to hurt mummy.

Therapy only has a chance f working if a person wants to change.

This man doesn't want to change.

KenAdams · 28/06/2023 07:58

You need to speak to Womens Aid. You don't need to do this alone, there are things they can help with. Just have a conversation and then decide your next steps.

Jamjaris · 28/12/2023 11:44

Your afraid of leaving him and breaking the family up, you feel your letting your children down but honestly they are better of in a safe stable home with you. To them it’s normal to be scared but you all need to get away from him. It’s not your fault he is an abusive monster. X

FeetupTvon · 30/12/2023 21:13

Get out whilst you can.
Hope you find your happy ending.

mrsclaus1984 · 30/12/2023 21:15

Op are you able to provide us with an update? 💐

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