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Should I ruin everything for everyone or AIBU?

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HadMeAtCello · 26/06/2023 19:27

Not a professional Mumsnet person - so might not be great at posting - but have created such a web of lies to stop friends and family worrying/judging in real life that I need some perspective please.

It's a long story but here's the short-ish version. I started dating DH when we were in college. We were sixteen then - we're in our thirties now. We've got two primary school aged DC and got married not long ago. Our relationship has always been tumultuous. Mainly because he could never 'settle' but would never leave. Throughout our relationship he's had a history of getting drunk to excess, going out all night with no way of contacting him, cheating with other women. Rinse. Repeat.

There's also been some fairly abusive behaviour which I've come to realise isn't acceptable. Things like driving recklessly - trying to frighten me - with me and the kids in the car (even though I was screaming for him to stop). On several occasions he's started an argument and then stormed off to his parents/friends house for up to 3/4 months - leaving me with both children. There's also a physical side - I know lots of women are living through unimaginable domestic violence and this is nothing compared to that but on at least ten occasions over the past 15 years he has been violent (hitting/punching/shoving).

On the most recent occasion, DH lost it because of something I said to him - he couldn't recall what it was that I'd said, he got right up in my face and started threatening me, DS was present and started shouting 'don't hurt my mummy' as he was dragging me about. DH stormed out and was gone for three months over the Christmas period. On the advice of a concerned manager I logged the bruises with my doctor - I'd never taken this step before even though I've had lots of bruises from him.

This was the first time DH has been like that in front of the children and it frightened me that things were progressing like that. It was a really difficult few months - I was very down but tried my best to make it a nice Christmas for the children. They were really badly affected and cried a lot saying they missed him - he did take them for the odd overnight visit and continued to contribute towards bills. I didn't ask for him to come back though as I felt relieved and like this might have been a natural end to the relationship and maybe we could have put some better arrangements in place to role model better behaviour/relationships for the children.

However, as time wore on, DC began to have some emotional issues at school and DH started asking to come back. I felt like I was ruining everything for everyone so I let him come back and he has been sleeping on the sofa for five months. He does an equal share of the childcare and household duties but we are like ships in the night. Once the children are stowed away for the night - I go to my room and he hangs out in the living room.

Anyway, I had a couple of glasses of prosecco this weekend and ended up getting really upset and messy in front of a number of the mums at school. I'm absolutely mortified and take full responsibility for my behaviour - I shouldn't be drinking if I'm not in control but I realise that I'm not OK at all - it's always in the back of my mind and I just don't ever see anything changing. I was open about what went down at Christmas to family and friends but as time wore on people stopped asking how things were as I'm not falling apart and I guess they assume that I've got a handle on things. There is no handle - otherwise I could open the door and exit.

So....Should I ruin everything for everyone and try and move me and the kids back in with my parents/ try to make it on my own?

YABU - these things happen, relationships are hard work and things will get better with time.

YANBU - there's only one life - nothing is worth being this unhappy.

Any advice appreciated. Does this relationship sound like it could be saved? I've done such a shit job at managing it over the past 15 years that I genuinely don't know what I'm doing or if I can trust myself.

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VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 26/06/2023 23:44

At my request, he has contacted a domestic abuse charity who run some sort of group courses for men who struggle with this behaviour.

Do you really think that a perpetrator intervention programme will help a man who ignores the pleading of his own child?

DS was present and started shouting 'don't hurt my mummy' as he was dragging me about

007DoubleOSeven · 26/06/2023 23:57

rubyslippers · 26/06/2023 19:29

Leave him
he is physically abusive
he cheats on you
he sounds absolutely horrendous
go and don’t look back

Absolutely, 100%, completely and totally this, with bells on.

Flowers
007DoubleOSeven · 27/06/2023 00:01

You'll have lots of people here telling you to leave tomorrow, like it's that easy and if you don't you're a terrible mother.

But it isn't that easy. You need a plan. It might feel hugely daunting, but you can do it, you just need to work out the steps. Your priority should be to make it happen as quickly as safely possible. Womens Aid can help you plan - take a good look through their website, there's lots of information there.

Next time he assaults you, call the police. Hopefully then they'll be able to refer him to the DA course so you don't have to pay.

It's a big step you've taken. Just keeping taking one step in front of the other and you'll get there - your new, content, free & safe lives.

ZebraDilemma · 27/06/2023 00:13

Randobelia · 26/06/2023 19:30

If by "ruining everything" you mean raising your kids in a peaceful non abusive house then yes of course. This is utterly awful OP and shocking that you are so worn down you can't see it. Your poor children deserve and so do you.

This

Pearlsaminga · 27/06/2023 00:16

very dangerous man, you MUST LEAVE

momtoboys · 27/06/2023 00:17

Next time he may kill you.

FFSFF · 27/06/2023 00:23

Leave. Please please leave.

My son was 4 years old when he first told his dad to "stop being so angry with mum all the time", and "Dad, stop screaming at mum all the time". That was my wake up call and it should be yours as well. Please don't let your DC grow up thinking this is an acceptable way for you to be treated.

My DC are now 14 and are still suffering from what they witnessed the first 4 years of their lives. My son is complete NC with is dad and my daughter treats me exactly like her dad treated me.

Get out now, before the damage done is permanent. Please, for your sake as well as the DC.

MysteryBelle · 27/06/2023 00:50

You deserve better than him. Remember he hits you, you’ve had many bruises. You’ve done nothing wrong. The choice is not really in your hands anymore, he made the choice for you when he hit you. You have no other choice than to move past him. He doesn’t understand what he had and what he lost. And he never will.

Ladybug14 · 27/06/2023 06:19

HadMeAtCello · 26/06/2023 21:44

I'm not saying I won't leave him. It's a big uncertain leap. I don't make as much money as him and the children's lives will change massively. I do want to do it. I want the children to be happy and grow up well adjusted.

Your children won't have to watch abuse, violence, coercion, and anger.

Surely that's a positive change which needs to happen now?

Emotionalsupportviper · 27/06/2023 07:11

Batalax · 26/06/2023 22:29

Your eyes are open now. You didn’t really want him back after Xmas. Remember how that felt, just you, the kids and peace.

No other words - just THIS ⬆

Emotionalsupportviper · 27/06/2023 07:18

WineOclock2019 · 26/06/2023 23:07

Sending you lots of support and love. But you really need to leave. Not only for the children but for yourself.

This is coming from someone who grew up in a similar environment. With our new Step dad, who she went on to have a child with. And believe me its not what the children want. Years of physical abuse to our mum and us. Some of us got it worse than others. But in our case he was also mentally abusing us making out mum was unhappy as he couldn't stay and we'd be tricked into making mum taking him back, as every child wants to make mum happy no matter what, even though its not what we wanted. Years this happened for, and now at nearly 30. I still struggle with my MH and gobsmacked at the childhood I had/witnessed for myself/mum/siblings. It won't stop with you, eventually, it might turn worse for you and the children.

So you had a little breakdown, everyone has a breaking point. Its the first step to finding the courage to finding a way forward.

I really hope you find strength from other MMs posts to go forward....maybe in a week, month you'll find peace in making the right decision for you and you're family.

❤ xxx

Years this happened for, and now at nearly 30. I still struggle with my MH and gobsmacked at the childhood I had/witnessed for myself/mum/siblings.

Same - I am weeping here, reading your account. It has brought so much back.

It breaks my heart to think how many women and children are living desperate lives of fear and pain. It's just dreadful. Constant fear, constantly being on the alert, treading on eggshells, never knowing if there is going to be violence (ohysical or verbal) is so very damaging. Children can't even sleep properly - my poor brother used to cry in his sleep, he was so afraid.

Tracker1234 · 27/06/2023 08:10

Do it for your kids. Don’t think about yourself. For some mad reason you seem to think you are better with him and so are your children? Just why? Why do women do this? Look at all the other women in this thread saying what has happened to them. It’s heart breaking and if I am honest I suspect you might be sleeping with him. Why would he stay if there wasn’t something in it for him.

PLEASE LEAVE HIM (BUT I SADLY SUSPECT YOU WILL CARRY ON AND RUIN YOUR CHILDREN’S LIVES)

Nordicrain · 27/06/2023 08:14

I think you've got it the wrong way around.

You are not ruining eveyrthing for everyone by staying away from this man.

You WILL be ruining the lives of your children if you choose to make them live with a man who is physically and emotionally abusive to their mum (and maybe one day to them?). They will grow up at best thinking it's normal relationship dynamices and at worst traumatised.

Stay away from your ex and get some therapy.

KateFloss · 27/06/2023 09:27

@HadMeAtCello

I understand what a huge decision and how terrifying it will feel to leave him...this is all you've ever known.

For you, please please call Refuge today. Its a free number and won't show on your phone bill. 0808 200 0247

And if he is looking for a programme himself, then ask him to call Respect. A charity dedicated to helping violent men change. 0808 8024040 they will also advise on how to access a programme as you shouldn't need to pay for it. You still need to leave him but if he really wants to talk to someone it may help if he is having some professional support to keep you safe during the split .

It's a huge leap and shouting LTB at you isn't going to help. Just trying breaking it down into manageable bits, so firstly call Refuge, then perhaps see about opening your own bank account, then think about where you might live. Refuge or a local abuse service can help you with all of this.

I agree with everyone that of course you must leave. But you have been controlled and manipulated and bullied your whole adult life by him, its very difficult to then leave, so try just making one phone call today. Talk to your GP. Is their a teacher at school you like? I promise there are people/professionals in your life who will want to help and have the training and information to help you leave safely but you have to start telling me in real life.

I promise you life can be better than this. You and your kids can live a life without fear and violence. You can. But if you have to take steps to making that happen. Posting on MN is a first step. Call refuge today as a 2nd step. And keep going. Until one day it will be done

I promise you your kids with thank you one day. They need you to find the strength to start taking some action.

Opaque11 · 27/06/2023 10:02

So....Should I ruin everything for everyone and try and move me and the kids back in with my parents/ try to make it on my own?

To put it bluntly, you both already are ruining your children. They are growing up in an abusive, toxic home environment. They already have emotional issues, witnessed abuse and are deeply affected even though you think they are not. You should have left a long, long time ago. You somehow think by staying you are keeping your family together. This is so damaging to the children and by staying you are contributing to the awful childhood that they are having.

Opaque11 · 27/06/2023 10:05

should say that I've told you all the worst bits. It's not constant abuse, we chug along for the most part. But when it's bad it's awful. I guess it's like a cycle, I can always tell when it starts to build and something is going to snap imminently.

But what you don't realise, between these cycles your children are still living with the trauma from the previous incident, living with secret anxiety, panic and waiting for the next thing to happen. They lose trust in you too, because you confuse them. Save your children.

roseotter · 27/06/2023 10:16

I want to celebrate you for recognising the situation and for having the courage to ask for support.

I have 3 practical suggestions:

  • Contact Women’s Aid
  • Take the Freedom Programme
  • Read the book “Why Does He Do That - Inside the Minds of Angry and Controlling Men” by Lundy Bancroft

Don’t let your DH know you are doing any of these things.

You can break free of this awful situation and you and children deserve better but you will need support and a proper step by step plan xx

Emotionalsupportviper · 27/06/2023 10:17

Opaque11 · 27/06/2023 10:05

should say that I've told you all the worst bits. It's not constant abuse, we chug along for the most part. But when it's bad it's awful. I guess it's like a cycle, I can always tell when it starts to build and something is going to snap imminently.

But what you don't realise, between these cycles your children are still living with the trauma from the previous incident, living with secret anxiety, panic and waiting for the next thing to happen. They lose trust in you too, because you confuse them. Save your children.

This.

It's like waiting for the other shoe to drop, all the time.

It's incredibly stressful

Avondale89 · 27/06/2023 10:21

RunningFromInsanity · 26/06/2023 19:53

Imma be blunt. You are being a terrible mother by allowing your children to be around this and being put in actual danger.

Absolutely no fucking need for this.

LookItsMeAgain · 27/06/2023 10:34

Avondale89 · 27/06/2023 10:21

Absolutely no fucking need for this.

You might not think so @Avondale89 , but sometimes it might take seeing something so bluntly written down for people to wake up and realise that the environment that they are exposing their children to (so that they can repeat the cycle of behaviour because it is learned that this is ok to put up with) is not ok and is putting the children in danger. So maybe there is a need.

Emotionalsupportviper · 27/06/2023 10:38

Avondale89 · 27/06/2023 10:21

Absolutely no fucking need for this.

I agree - this poor woman has been systematically made powerless by this horrible man since she was in her teens. She is desperately trying to give her children a stable home life - and in her mind that includes having a father.

She needs support and advice that will show her how this is affecting her children as well as her. And she needs to know that she'll get the support she needs.

MavisMcMinty · 27/06/2023 10:44

Although I am one of many who’s said “LTB”, why should @HadMeAtCello be the one to leave? It was him who left her all those previous times, and surely an abused mother and children are more deserving of staying in their home than a horrible violent man?

Emotionalsupportviper · 27/06/2023 10:53

MavisMcMinty · 27/06/2023 10:44

Although I am one of many who’s said “LTB”, why should @HadMeAtCello be the one to leave? It was him who left her all those previous times, and surely an abused mother and children are more deserving of staying in their home than a horrible violent man?

Totally agree with you - unfortunately until HE decides that he wants to bugger off again and leave his family in the lurch, Doubt he'd leave quietly.

@HadMeAtCello made a mistake in letting him back across the threshold. Getting rid of him now will be more difficult.

Evicting a cocklodger is harder than eradicating cockroaches.

meandtheboy · 27/06/2023 11:03

dear @HadMeAtCello , I have tears running down my face reading about your little boy shouting "don't hurt my mummy"...that one incident alone is more than enough justification for you to leave with the kids.

I have just escaped an abusive relationship, nothing like as bad as you have experienced but it was heading that way. I understand that it takes a while to see what's going on, and then to gather the energy to leave; I feel bad that I didn't leave until recently, and that my son also saw stuff that he should never have witnessed, it plays over and over in my head.

Get out as soon as you're ready dearest girl, we'll all help. It is possible I promise.
I am more skint than I've ever been, and there's always too much to do but me and DS are so, so much happier now and he has a chance at a normal life rather than thinking he has to behave like his sorry excuse for a father.

Do it for your little ones if you can't do it for you. It is worth it I promise. Very happy to PM if that would be helpful.

HadMeAtCello · 27/06/2023 11:05

Thanks again for all the messages.

Bit of an update... I called my mum this morning and asked her if there'd be a possibility if the kids and I could stay with my parents whilst we figure out what to do next (she knows the whole truth of what's gone on). She said that wouldn't work because she didn't 'think it'd work for her'. A number of my adult siblings still live there and she said that she could see there'd be friction with everyone if I expected them to adjust their lifestyle to accommodate the children (she gave the examples of me not wanting them to watch inappropriate TV or smoke whilst the children were around).

It's pretty heartbreaking that she won't come through for me but not a huge surprise. She's from a different generation (not that my dad was abusive) but she definitely seems accepting of it. I remember the first time he slapped me - it was just outside our school gates and he was mad because I had gone on a theatre trip with my English class and had a cider at the pub beforehand. He said I was an out of control slut (nothing happened at all and I definitely wasn't!). Anyway, when I told her about that she said 'well you can be a very difficult girl'.

I do know from that example that I would never do the same for my children. If they needed to come back home as adults I'd do anything to get them help and look after them.

I think I have the strength to go but what I'm really worried is about how I keep a roof over the children's heads. I've been looking around and don't think I can afford anything on my salary alone.

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