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Should I ruin everything for everyone or AIBU?

217 replies

HadMeAtCello · 26/06/2023 19:27

Not a professional Mumsnet person - so might not be great at posting - but have created such a web of lies to stop friends and family worrying/judging in real life that I need some perspective please.

It's a long story but here's the short-ish version. I started dating DH when we were in college. We were sixteen then - we're in our thirties now. We've got two primary school aged DC and got married not long ago. Our relationship has always been tumultuous. Mainly because he could never 'settle' but would never leave. Throughout our relationship he's had a history of getting drunk to excess, going out all night with no way of contacting him, cheating with other women. Rinse. Repeat.

There's also been some fairly abusive behaviour which I've come to realise isn't acceptable. Things like driving recklessly - trying to frighten me - with me and the kids in the car (even though I was screaming for him to stop). On several occasions he's started an argument and then stormed off to his parents/friends house for up to 3/4 months - leaving me with both children. There's also a physical side - I know lots of women are living through unimaginable domestic violence and this is nothing compared to that but on at least ten occasions over the past 15 years he has been violent (hitting/punching/shoving).

On the most recent occasion, DH lost it because of something I said to him - he couldn't recall what it was that I'd said, he got right up in my face and started threatening me, DS was present and started shouting 'don't hurt my mummy' as he was dragging me about. DH stormed out and was gone for three months over the Christmas period. On the advice of a concerned manager I logged the bruises with my doctor - I'd never taken this step before even though I've had lots of bruises from him.

This was the first time DH has been like that in front of the children and it frightened me that things were progressing like that. It was a really difficult few months - I was very down but tried my best to make it a nice Christmas for the children. They were really badly affected and cried a lot saying they missed him - he did take them for the odd overnight visit and continued to contribute towards bills. I didn't ask for him to come back though as I felt relieved and like this might have been a natural end to the relationship and maybe we could have put some better arrangements in place to role model better behaviour/relationships for the children.

However, as time wore on, DC began to have some emotional issues at school and DH started asking to come back. I felt like I was ruining everything for everyone so I let him come back and he has been sleeping on the sofa for five months. He does an equal share of the childcare and household duties but we are like ships in the night. Once the children are stowed away for the night - I go to my room and he hangs out in the living room.

Anyway, I had a couple of glasses of prosecco this weekend and ended up getting really upset and messy in front of a number of the mums at school. I'm absolutely mortified and take full responsibility for my behaviour - I shouldn't be drinking if I'm not in control but I realise that I'm not OK at all - it's always in the back of my mind and I just don't ever see anything changing. I was open about what went down at Christmas to family and friends but as time wore on people stopped asking how things were as I'm not falling apart and I guess they assume that I've got a handle on things. There is no handle - otherwise I could open the door and exit.

So....Should I ruin everything for everyone and try and move me and the kids back in with my parents/ try to make it on my own?

YABU - these things happen, relationships are hard work and things will get better with time.

YANBU - there's only one life - nothing is worth being this unhappy.

Any advice appreciated. Does this relationship sound like it could be saved? I've done such a shit job at managing it over the past 15 years that I genuinely don't know what I'm doing or if I can trust myself.

OP posts:
Butchyrestingface · 26/06/2023 22:00

HadMeAtCello · 26/06/2023 21:44

I'm not saying I won't leave him. It's a big uncertain leap. I don't make as much money as him and the children's lives will change massively. I do want to do it. I want the children to be happy and grow up well adjusted.

Your kids won't grow up very happy or well-adjusted if they end up with a father in jail for murdering their mother. The graveyards are littered with women who didn't want to leave their violent, abusive spouses "for the kids sake".

If you think your parents would be willing and able to put you and the kids up for a while until you find your feet, that's where I'd go. Probably best you'd surrounded by adults who can dissuade you from taking him back should you find yourself in a weak moment.

happysoul23 · 26/06/2023 22:01

You need to read a book called Why does he do that by Lundy Bancroft

stayathomer · 26/06/2023 22:19

People have to power and work through non abusive relationships. You’ve powered through too much, you and your children need to be free now xxxxxx

wildfirewonder · 26/06/2023 22:20

I hope you leave him @HadMeAtCello

You're being brave starting to confront the reality of your situation.

It is very hard to leave but definitely better for the children to do so. If you stay, the risk is your children are even more damaged. A son could grow up the same, a daughter could grow up to accept abuse herself.

mommatoone · 26/06/2023 22:28

OP . You need to leave before its too late.

Batalax · 26/06/2023 22:29

Your eyes are open now. You didn’t really want him back after Xmas. Remember how that felt, just you, the kids and peace.

Bunce1 · 26/06/2023 22:39

The MOST and I mean the MOST influential person in a young a child’s life is their mother. Their influence has more impact than income, than housing, than school.

You absolutely have to leave this man- and I know it’s rich of me to say that a change in circumstances will be ok. I know that it will be hard. But raising children in this environment is a fast track to messing your children up irreparably. They will go on to be challenged and traumatised young adults. They may even repeat the behaviours they have witnessed.

you have all the power here to change that for them. Do it.

letmeeatcrisps · 26/06/2023 22:40

Have not read all posts but just quickly wanted to chime in and say, do it OP, I left the bastard and now I’m at my mums with my two kids and the first few months felt awful and embarsssing but today my DD3 said to me “I like staying here I want to stay here forever”
she also asked me earlier today “why did daddy hit you and make you cry”
she’s only just felt safe enough to bring it up, I have questioned every day if it was the right thing, but after a few mins of self inquiry the answer is always yes
you will be fine
your kids will enjoy living away from fights
better still, stay in your house and kick him
out (ideally with help from police)
leaving is definitely the right thing to do - abusive men do not change, they are fundamentally different and belive they are entitled to treat us like crap
you will be much much happier without him causing chaos in your day to day life. You are so strong to have put up with it so long!!! X

HealthyBBQ · 26/06/2023 22:43

Holy fuck OP. You need to leave. I promise none of this is normal.
If my DH did one of the things you wrote about, just one sentence of it all I would leave.
Your children are unsettled as they have witnessed domestic abuse. Social services remove children when you don’t take steps to protect them from seeing this, like repeatedly going back to an abuser. This is huge. Contact them and ask for help on leaving. Protect them. All it takes is one child to say at school they saw daddy hit mummy or they are scared that daddy hits mummy and social services getting in touch with you first is not what you want.
I only say this to show you you need to leave and speak to people now. How is staying together in anyway good for your children to teach them they can be abused and you stick it out?

SirVixofVixHall · 26/06/2023 22:43

Avondale89 · 26/06/2023 19:32

No, it can’t be saved. The man is abusive and the absolute best thing you can do for everyone is leave. Trust me, it’s not ruining it for everyone by leaving him. You need him gone ASAP. So sorry you’re going through this. You and the kids deserve better than this absolute arsehole.

Totally agree.
What would ruin everything for you and your children would be staying with this monstrous man.
Your little boy “don’t hurt my mummy” made me cry for both him and you.
Please don’t stay with him. You all deserve so much better than this .

Ghostgirl77 · 26/06/2023 22:48

Please leave him, and get help for your kids too. My partner is struggling with severe PTSD and anxiety in his 40s which has been linked back to witnessing domestic violence as a child. Your children deserve better than this.

TheseThree · 26/06/2023 23:05

Run. Run like the wind.

Start being honest with your family and friends. They have the ability to be your greatest support network but only if they know the truth. They don’t need details - simply stating that you’ve been (scared, ashamed, etc) but the truth is that he is abusive and you and the kids are leaving and need support is enough.

Seek resources for victims of domestic abuse, especially therapy for yourself AND your kids. I tell my kids that while I want them happy, my primary responsibility as their parent is to keep them healthy and safe. Tell your kids that you understand they will have questions and you will do your best to answer them, but that you all are not safe living with DH, and so it is important to leave.

Kids need to know what the future holds, and when you can’t tell them a long term plan, my counselor/coach (during my divorce) taught me to rely on short term. “I don’t know where we will live next, but I do know we will be with your grandparents this week,” etc.

My mom was a victim and got me out before I could remember. My exSIL was a victim and we all helped her and her son get stable. A friend recently learned her kids were victims and we have been helping her/them get stable. I’ve heard and seen how hard it is first hand, but it is possible and the dust does settle. Please tell your close friends and family. Please!

Massy · 26/06/2023 23:06

You could get a domestic violence protection order. This requires an abusive partner to leave the family home. https://www.nationaldahelpline.org.uk/

WineOclock2019 · 26/06/2023 23:07

Sending you lots of support and love. But you really need to leave. Not only for the children but for yourself.

This is coming from someone who grew up in a similar environment. With our new Step dad, who she went on to have a child with. And believe me its not what the children want. Years of physical abuse to our mum and us. Some of us got it worse than others. But in our case he was also mentally abusing us making out mum was unhappy as he couldn't stay and we'd be tricked into making mum taking him back, as every child wants to make mum happy no matter what, even though its not what we wanted. Years this happened for, and now at nearly 30. I still struggle with my MH and gobsmacked at the childhood I had/witnessed for myself/mum/siblings. It won't stop with you, eventually, it might turn worse for you and the children.

So you had a little breakdown, everyone has a breaking point. Its the first step to finding the courage to finding a way forward.

I really hope you find strength from other MMs posts to go forward....maybe in a week, month you'll find peace in making the right decision for you and you're family.

❤ xxx

BeverlyBrook · 26/06/2023 23:08

LTB
This is no way to live your life.

Channellingsophistication · 26/06/2023 23:10

these things happen … domestic violence… not they should not. Your boundaries are skewed its not how a relationship should be.

you must end this abusive relationship - he is abusing you and the DCs. They will continue to have emotional problems until you get away from this man. They miss him because there is comfort in what they know even if bad…

please start thinking about practical steps to end it and protect yourself and DCs. Please dont become a statistic. Make a plan.

TheaBrandt · 26/06/2023 23:13

So disturbing that you have posted an Aibu “should I ruin it for everyone?”. He is the one ruining it for everyone. You have no control over how he behaves - just over how you respond to the behaviour. Which as you can see is so far outside the bounds of normal that people genuinely can’t believe you’re putting up with it.

Clarich007 · 26/06/2023 23:14

This is horrendous. Please please leave him. What are your children learning about relationships.
There shoukd be, must be consequences for this awful man.
Great sympathy. You and your children deserve so much better.
YANBU!!!

Cakeandcoffee93 · 26/06/2023 23:15

I can’t even believe this is a poll. End it now. You know why

2bazookas · 26/06/2023 23:16

Far from "ruining everything for everyone"., leaving that abusive drunk is the best thing that could happen to your children and you.

Witnessing and fearing the abuse of their mother is hugely damaging to your children. Your DC is already shpwing the strain. They see a warped version of duty , loyalty, marriage domesticity; you and DH roleplay that a woman's role is to endure anything from men at whatever cost. Is that an example you want them to replicate in their adult relationships?

Go to the police; you have evidence and witnesses, Get him excluded from the family home. Press charges.

ANewAdventure · 26/06/2023 23:16

I want the children to be happy and grow up well adjusted.

I don’t want to have a go at you OP because you’re so close to doing so well, posting on here was a very brave step. But if what you want is for your children to grow up happy and well adjusted: that cannot happen unless you leave him to protect them from him. It doesn’t matter that what you’ve said here is the worst not the everyday, it’s the worst that affects your children the most. Get out to protect them and protect yourself. He will not change.

Hollyppp · 26/06/2023 23:20

YANBU - your poor DS saying don’t hurt my mummy

Somethingneedstochange78 · 26/06/2023 23:21

YANBU run for the hill's.

leopard22 · 26/06/2023 23:29

He won't change, he'll become more abusive because he knows he gets away with it and your children will be even more emotionally damaged than what they already are. "The proper family" you wanted, does that include your children witnessing their father abusing their mother?

You and the children are the victims here, but the emotional damage you talk about is a direct result of the situation you've now put them back in to by allowing him to return.

The quicker you split, the quicker they can recover with professional support

VitoCorleoneOfMNMafia · 26/06/2023 23:31

You forgot to turn the voting on.

LTB. Any abuse is too much. It is not your responsibility to fix your broken husband. It is your broken husband who has broken your marriage. It is better for your children to grow up poor than for them to grow up terrified that daddy will hurt or even kill mummy.

Please contact Women's Aid and Refuge and make secret plans to leave.