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Should I ruin everything for everyone or AIBU?

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HadMeAtCello · 26/06/2023 19:27

Not a professional Mumsnet person - so might not be great at posting - but have created such a web of lies to stop friends and family worrying/judging in real life that I need some perspective please.

It's a long story but here's the short-ish version. I started dating DH when we were in college. We were sixteen then - we're in our thirties now. We've got two primary school aged DC and got married not long ago. Our relationship has always been tumultuous. Mainly because he could never 'settle' but would never leave. Throughout our relationship he's had a history of getting drunk to excess, going out all night with no way of contacting him, cheating with other women. Rinse. Repeat.

There's also been some fairly abusive behaviour which I've come to realise isn't acceptable. Things like driving recklessly - trying to frighten me - with me and the kids in the car (even though I was screaming for him to stop). On several occasions he's started an argument and then stormed off to his parents/friends house for up to 3/4 months - leaving me with both children. There's also a physical side - I know lots of women are living through unimaginable domestic violence and this is nothing compared to that but on at least ten occasions over the past 15 years he has been violent (hitting/punching/shoving).

On the most recent occasion, DH lost it because of something I said to him - he couldn't recall what it was that I'd said, he got right up in my face and started threatening me, DS was present and started shouting 'don't hurt my mummy' as he was dragging me about. DH stormed out and was gone for three months over the Christmas period. On the advice of a concerned manager I logged the bruises with my doctor - I'd never taken this step before even though I've had lots of bruises from him.

This was the first time DH has been like that in front of the children and it frightened me that things were progressing like that. It was a really difficult few months - I was very down but tried my best to make it a nice Christmas for the children. They were really badly affected and cried a lot saying they missed him - he did take them for the odd overnight visit and continued to contribute towards bills. I didn't ask for him to come back though as I felt relieved and like this might have been a natural end to the relationship and maybe we could have put some better arrangements in place to role model better behaviour/relationships for the children.

However, as time wore on, DC began to have some emotional issues at school and DH started asking to come back. I felt like I was ruining everything for everyone so I let him come back and he has been sleeping on the sofa for five months. He does an equal share of the childcare and household duties but we are like ships in the night. Once the children are stowed away for the night - I go to my room and he hangs out in the living room.

Anyway, I had a couple of glasses of prosecco this weekend and ended up getting really upset and messy in front of a number of the mums at school. I'm absolutely mortified and take full responsibility for my behaviour - I shouldn't be drinking if I'm not in control but I realise that I'm not OK at all - it's always in the back of my mind and I just don't ever see anything changing. I was open about what went down at Christmas to family and friends but as time wore on people stopped asking how things were as I'm not falling apart and I guess they assume that I've got a handle on things. There is no handle - otherwise I could open the door and exit.

So....Should I ruin everything for everyone and try and move me and the kids back in with my parents/ try to make it on my own?

YABU - these things happen, relationships are hard work and things will get better with time.

YANBU - there's only one life - nothing is worth being this unhappy.

Any advice appreciated. Does this relationship sound like it could be saved? I've done such a shit job at managing it over the past 15 years that I genuinely don't know what I'm doing or if I can trust myself.

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MolkosTeenageAngst · 26/06/2023 21:24

If there is physical violence it cannot be saved. End of. If last time was the first time he did it in front of the kids then clearly the violence is escalating, don’t wait around to find out how it will escalate next tim.

AliceUK · 26/06/2023 21:24

As many have already said, leave him. I’ve been there, it’s scary, it’s daunting, it’s overwhelming, but believe me it is so worth it. I am 18 months out of an abusive relationship, I have a new partner who cares for me, we never argue (and I really mean that, 12 months with not a single fall out!) and I have my independence back, it’s far better than spending every waking moment walking on egg shells and seeing the children upset every day. You deserve a happy life and to be loved and respected. Take the leap and after a few months things should start to get easier as you get the hang of your new situation and realise how liberating it is. I’m so sorry you have had to experience this, and for so long! But you’re clearly starting to see the bigger picture here so now is as good a time as any to make a move on it. I wish you all the luck in the world, you can do it 💕

FeelingwearyFeeelingsmall · 26/06/2023 21:29

Leave him and stay left.

This man is ruing your DC childhoods and negatively affecting their emotional development. it's also incredibly damaging to have their dad leaving and then coming back repeatedly. How are they supposed to have any emotional security when they never know from week to week who will be living with them? How can they trust anyone when the man who is supposed to be a stable rock and support is constantly coming and going on a whim?

They are still young. It's not too late to create a secure home for them. But get them out of that situation ASAP. Every day you allow this to continue is another days emotional damage for them.

And don't worry about the prosecco incident - it won't seem as big a deal to them as it does to you. If you've told them half of what you've told us I bet they were much more horrified at how he behaves than by you getting drunk and emotional.

azlazee1 · 26/06/2023 21:30

Leave him or kick him out. Abuse such as this seems to escalate over time. I think he will hit you again at some point and may start hurting your children. You do not deserve to be someone's punching bag. Let him go.

Sugargliderwombat · 26/06/2023 21:30

Oh my goodness what on earth would you be ruining? It is the absolutely right thing to do for you and your children. It will be much more emotionally settled and they won't be worrying about you. I bet your child was scared for you for a long long time after he saw that.

CatherinedeBourgh · 26/06/2023 21:30

OP I had a friend in your situation.

She eventually left when her 16 yo daughter called the police on her own father during a violent row.

Unfortunately by then a lot of damage had been done to the dc, the eldest ended up in an abusive relationship herself, the second as an in-patient in a mental health facility and the third one became anorexic.

Every year you stay you are exposing your children to damage, which will come out sooner or later. Leave for them, if not for you.

ModestMoon · 26/06/2023 21:31

Oh OP, YOU are not ruining anything. He has ruined it. He ruined it when he attacked you, scared you, and abandoned you and your children. It is not your fault that you are in this position. but now that you are in this position, you need to do the best thing for yourself and your children. Believe me, being raised uncertain and scared, watching their prescious mummy get hurt, is not in their interest.

What you can do now is provide a beautiful and safe home for just you and them. A home that is filled with love, where no one is afraid, where no one is attacked, where no one walks out for months at a time. A home where you support and protect your children, and where they feel supported and protected. Does that sound like 'ruining everything'?! Of course it doesn't! Allow yourself to see that far from being ruined, your life and that of your children would be a thousand times better.

Supergirl1958 · 26/06/2023 21:32

@HadMeAtCello

i think you know the answer is to leave and make it on your own. No child should ever witnesss a parent being ‘dragged around’ and you shouldn’t be confined to your bedroom every night. It isn’t healthy for any of you

Sending hugs x

Hankunamatata · 26/06/2023 21:33

End it. The kids don't know a dad that isn't violent and aggressive, even utterly shit dads - the kids miss them.

Time to show your children what healthy adults look like. If your son started hitting his partner what would you say to him

HadMeAtCello · 26/06/2023 21:37

Thank you all so much for your advice. I didn't think so many people would respond.

I take on the advice given about not being a good mother because I can see how accepting this in any way makes me a bad mother. I've genuinely thought I've been doing what's best for them - it's made sense to me but I can see that's not right.

It's not an excuse but in the early years I was so obsessed with the idea of giving the children a 'proper' family that I did accept a lot of the red flags.

I should say that I've told you all the worst bits. It's not constant abuse, we chug along for the most part. But when it's bad it's awful. I guess it's like a cycle, I can always tell when it starts to build and something is going to snap imminently.

At my request, he has contacted a domestic abuse charity who run some sort of group courses for men who struggle with this behaviour. Last week he went for an assessment and it was actually when he was telling me about the questionnaire that I remembered a lot of the scary stuff I'd packed away like the car issue. However, as he wasn't referred by the police/court he'd have to fund it himself. It was a couple thousand pounds and we can't afford it.

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DeflatedAgain · 26/06/2023 21:39

I've never felt more compelled to write LTB then right now.

LTB!!

HundredMilesAnHour · 26/06/2023 21:40

So what you're saying OP is that you're not going to leave him.

On your head be it. And that of your poor children. Well, until SS remove them.

RunningFromInsanity · 26/06/2023 21:44

HundredMilesAnHour · 26/06/2023 21:40

So what you're saying OP is that you're not going to leave him.

On your head be it. And that of your poor children. Well, until SS remove them.

This. So predictable.
I hope they take the children away from this shitshow.

multicolouredbunting · 26/06/2023 21:44

I was the child in this situation with my own parents. My dad would cheat and leave for months on end, physically violent towards my mother infront of us children. I've called the police before on my own father for smashing her head off tiled floor. (I was a teen at this time) some of my earliest memories are it all kicking off between my parents. It absolutely ruined our lives. She let him back each and every time. We all begged her not to.
He made each and every one of his children leave as soon as possible, basically kicking us out. She's still with him does nothing without him and it's pathetic to watch.
I hated my childhood and wish my mum had the courage to walk away in the very beginning.

OP please go. For your sake as much as your children.

HadMeAtCello · 26/06/2023 21:44

I'm not saying I won't leave him. It's a big uncertain leap. I don't make as much money as him and the children's lives will change massively. I do want to do it. I want the children to be happy and grow up well adjusted.

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weirdoboelady · 26/06/2023 21:45

HundredMilesAnHour · 26/06/2023 21:40

So what you're saying OP is that you're not going to leave him.

On your head be it. And that of your poor children. Well, until SS remove them.

Why would you say this? That's not what I read! The OP is simply stating that the worst points are simply that - the worst points. But actually that doesn't matter. A family environment in which a child tries to intervene in violent situations is is almost archtypal, isn't it?

Another first time LTB.

weirdoboelady · 26/06/2023 21:46

*archetypal

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 26/06/2023 21:48

Leave. Never go back. Kids Contact Centre Only.

He is violent and unpredictable

gwenneh · 26/06/2023 21:48

Your children are hardly going to grow up well-adjusted by watching their mother normalise physical and mental abuse. It'll get even better when you tell them as adults that it was for their benefit.

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 26/06/2023 21:49

HadMeAtCello · 26/06/2023 21:44

I'm not saying I won't leave him. It's a big uncertain leap. I don't make as much money as him and the children's lives will change massively. I do want to do it. I want the children to be happy and grow up well adjusted.

And what if he pulls his reckless driving stunt with your kids in his car if they piss him off?

ArseMenagerie · 26/06/2023 21:50

‘The children have begun to have emotional issues at school’
NO SHIT

Their father is causing them untold emotional distress and they will already require support/ counselling / professional services to help them. The most perfect family you can give them is one WITHOUT HIM IN IT.

OrwellianTimes · 26/06/2023 21:51

Get out, leave him now. He’s dangerous violent and abusive.

mindutopia · 26/06/2023 21:57

You would absolutely NOT be ruining anything for anyone by leaving.

He sounds so much like my dad, down to the scary driving and the kids seeing how he treats their mum. I still remember to this day, 30+ years later, when my mum told me me were moving out and leaving. I was so relieved. I couldn’t wait for my new room and my new life. I never for a second ever wished they’d stayed together and life got so much better.

Roundandnettledr · 26/06/2023 21:58

Sending you thoughts of strength - it is a thousand times better for you and your children for you to leave. It’s not ruining anything for anyone, it’s putting your and their safety and happiness first. You can do this x

Emotionalsupportviper · 26/06/2023 22:00

I can't add anything to the advice you have been given -leave him asap.

It will get worse not better.

Having once threatened and hurt you in front of your terrified child, he will do it again - and if your DS tries to stop him, he might hurt your son. Even if he doesn't physically harm him, your children are being mentally and emotionally damaged every day by his violent presence.

I grew up in an atmosphere like this. It is horrible. I'm 70 years old and have only within the last 10 years stopped having nightmares every single night - I still get them occasionally.

I was too worried to concentrate in school; I had few friends because I was frightened to go out and leave my mother and siblings "unprotected" (as I saw it), and I certainly couldn't;t bring friends back.

Even now if someone makes a sudden movement, I flinch; if I see a "familiar" head shape, I could almost be sick with fright (even though the person who was violent is long dead and, I hope, rotting in hell). Don't put your children through this.

Your boys will learn to be violent and your girls will learn to take it. You are all worth so much more.