There are two sexes…

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Well just that really….I have gay, straight, bi sexual and transsexual friends and absolutely have no problem with that, very much a do what makes you happy person.

Butttt….AIBU to think the world is going a bit mad with all the non-female, cis female and whatever other labels are floating about. I’m a woman and that’s that, you are either biologically a male or biologically a female and I don’t mean that in an insensitive way dress how you like and date who you like but surely we can’t just be inventing different/new sexes and telling straight women they are no longer a woman they are now XYZ?

For many teenagers it’s more akin to being goth or emo I think; it’s a presentation and self image that they are comfortable with in our highly gendered world. Unfortunately with the possibility of medicalisation and life long consequences.

Well thank you all for the info but from what I can tell children with dsd still do have a sex it’s just not as obvious at birth….

I’m still wondering though from the 6ish people of the 129 who have voted I’m in the wrong I wonder about what part of it is wrong?

though I’m glad I’m not alone in my feelings, the news would have you thinking the vote would be the other way around and only a handful of people would agree with me

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Teenagers go though horrible social trends.
It was anorexia in my day.
Self harm the decade after.
This is IMO, the most recent 'trend' in young women really struggling with their bodies and the societal expectations & burdens put on young women.

I don't doubt life is easier to be not profoundly uncomfortable with your body, but that doesnt happen in a vacuum & there is an element of social influence - I believe it's partially a trend, but yes, not 'trendy'.

I think this is very different to sexuality.

People with DSDs are not a fucking 3rd sex!!
They are incredibly offended by this.
There is no such thing as 'intersex'
Go online and educate yourselves!

This ....

But there are only two, that's nothing new.

We have the tools to deal with it. Chromosome testing will identify the sex. Surgery can help with external and internal genital issues. Hormone therapy can help to address lack of particular hormones needed to support sexual and physical development. It might not be perfect but it means childrens lives and development , and the mental health that goes with that can be supported.

it is undeniably sad that in some parts of the world the health issues can’t be sorted due to poor primary health care and lack of resources. Even sadder that in some parts of the world young people with DSD are sought out and used to bolster athletic programmes with the hope of winning international competition, comes at a cost, usually the health and well-being of the person with DSD.

It's the opposite of progressive. It's 1950s-style sexual stereotyping that promotes the idea that if a woman isn't keen on frocks and pink and baking and babies then perhaps she ought to think about being a man. And vice versa. It's homophobic: so many of the young people being referred to the Tavistock Clinic for sex hormones and surgery were lesbians or gay lads that the staff there used to joke about there being no young gay people left.

It's a way of putting women and feminism and lesbians and gay men back 50 years while most of the population couldn't see what was happening and cheered it on.

Being trans is the super trendiest thing in the world right now, while gender ideology makes out that same-sex attracted people are bigots. "Sexual racists" I believe according to Stonewall??
Trans and gay are nothing to do with each other.
Trans and DSD have nothing to do with each other.
Gender ideology is in a league of it's own.

Are you in the UK?

Everyone is male or female. Some people have additional X or Y chromosomes that result in DSDs - differences in sexual development. This does not make them a different sex or a third sex. It means they are a male or a female with a genetic condition. "Intersex" is an antiquated and offensive term, that bodies representing people with DSDs have asked no to be used.

Everyone is either male or female. DSDs are medical conditions but either male or female

No you don't

She is intersex female, not male.

Yo do get intersex people but it's a defect of birth rather than a 'sex'

Also apologise for using the term intersex rather than dsd that was my ignorance so I’m sorry if that offended anyone that was 100% not my intention

His XY chromosomes say that he is definitely male .

DVLA are not here for any woke shite.

Semenya has 5ARD, a condition which only affects males. You know all those coy press and BBC articles about Semenya having 'naturally occuring high testosterone levels'? Yeah, that was from the testicles Semenya has. It's totally natural to have much higher testosterone than women, when you are male. Semenya is a biological male with a DSD, not a woman.

"Intersex" should not be used!

Fucking hell. The ignorance of some people on here. Spouting bullshit facts as truth because it's on wikipedia 😂

Wouldn't be surprised if some people believe 'intersex' (horrid word) people can get themselves pregnant ffs.

Sistanotcista · Today 13:50
Mamabear04 · Today 13:47

Some people are intersex so there are three sexes, female, male and intersex. Gender is a whole other story.

Exactly this. Look up Caster Semenya for a real life example.

There's no such thing as intersex, it's outmoded and people with DSDs (Disorders of Sexual Development) dislike it and as that it isn't used to describe them.

Caster Semanya was thought to be a girl, but developed a micropenis, as he aged. He has very low testosterone, for a male, but nevertheless, male he is, even though he was allowed to compete as a woman.

All people with DSDs are either male, or female, even if their phenotype (outward appearance) would tend people to assume that they are the opposite sex, or androgynous.

Yup, just ask his kid who arrived on account of his male gametes.

Caster Semenya is not female. the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) found that CS has 5-alpha reductase deficiency (5ARD), a genetic disorder where the normal male sexual development fails in utero, resulting in a pseudovagina, that is to say, genitals that appear to be a vagina at birth, but are in fact the result of a very-undervirilized penis. CS has internal testes and a Y chromosome. Only males have those.

This is not really true as most DSDs involve an inability to correctly metabolize testosterone, or a defect in the proteins that allow cells to respond to the hormone. DSD patients usually have very high levels of circulating testosterone but cannot respond properly to the hormone. You cant really correst this by just giving more.

In the 50s / 60s / 70s many patients were surgically made to look as female as possible and their parents told to raise them as girls. Some testosterone is normally metabolized to oestrogen and this can be enough to stimulate breast development. If there is complete insensitivity to testosterone this could work out OK.

However, complete insensitivity is very, very rare and so many DSD patients can also got male secondary sexual features, facial hair, muscle growth.

Caster Semenya is a male with a DSD. There is no such thing as intersex and the term is no longer mediclaly used.

Caster Semenya is about as far from possible as being a woman - as you can clearly see in the video linked in the many threads about him - I cba to go and find it again right now. Look at the last CS threadon here a couple of weeks ago.