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There are two sexes…

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ItJustFellOutLikeWordVomit · 23/06/2023 13:34

Well just that really….I have gay, straight, bi sexual and transsexual friends and absolutely have no problem with that, very much a do what makes you happy person.

Butttt….AIBU to think the world is going a bit mad with all the non-female, cis female and whatever other labels are floating about. I’m a woman and that’s that, you are either biologically a male or biologically a female and I don’t mean that in an insensitive way dress how you like and date who you like but surely we can’t just be inventing different/new sexes and telling straight women they are no longer a woman they are now XYZ?

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loislovesstewie · 27/06/2023 14:41

@Helleofabore ,if people used common sense and the evidence of their own eyes, we would all be better off.

Davina69 · 27/06/2023 21:05

In the British Museum is Pete bog man aka as Lindow man. His body was preserved in a peat bog after he was murdered around 119AD. When he was discovered in 1984 the tests concluded he was a man.

For all we know he spent his days wailing about his love life dressed as the devil and called himself they/them but now nobody gives a shit.

Once you're dead you're either a man or a woman !

HootyMcBooby76 · 27/06/2023 21:57

Davina69 · 27/06/2023 21:05

In the British Museum is Pete bog man aka as Lindow man. His body was preserved in a peat bog after he was murdered around 119AD. When he was discovered in 1984 the tests concluded he was a man.

For all we know he spent his days wailing about his love life dressed as the devil and called himself they/them but now nobody gives a shit.

Once you're dead you're either a man or a woman !

Yes.
The second you drop dead, all of your inner constructed fantasies and feelings die with you.
And you are just a plain old man or woman. The biology of your body is all that is left.

Reality sucks.

Guiltridden12345 · 27/06/2023 22:01

gooseduckchicken · 23/06/2023 13:46

There's a difference between sex and gender.

Things evolve - you say that we shouldn't tell a "straight woman" she is xyz. There was a time when lots of people would be appalled at having to identify a woman as "straight"; straight would have been the default, to presume anything else would have been an insult.

The same may happen with cis.

I am not cis anything. I am a woman. Redefine yourself by all means, but don’t redefine me.

Emotionalsupportviper · 28/06/2023 06:35

Guiltridden12345 · 27/06/2023 22:01

I am not cis anything. I am a woman. Redefine yourself by all means, but don’t redefine me.

THIS ⬆

In Spades.

Tastefully presented on a silver salver and garnished with parsley.

hollyblueivy · 28/06/2023 07:04

If there are two sexes, why does Joe Bloggs in HR have to tell us in his email that he is a he/him/his

??

nothingcomestonothing · 28/06/2023 07:25

hollyblueivy · 28/06/2023 07:04

If there are two sexes, why does Joe Bloggs in HR have to tell us in his email that he is a he/him/his

??

Because Joe Blogs in HR is a virtue signalling try hard? Just a guess.

Sistanotcista · 28/06/2023 09:33

hollyblueivy · 28/06/2023 07:04

If there are two sexes, why does Joe Bloggs in HR have to tell us in his email that he is a he/him/his

??

Sex and gender are different. Joe Bloggs is welcome to tell you how he identifies, if he wishes, but he shouldn't "have to". See the extract below which clearly shows that people should not be compelled to state their pronouns:-

"Yogyaharta Principle 6(f) (The Right to Privacy) states,
Ensure the right of all persons ordinarily to choose when, to whom and how to disclose information pertaining to their sexual orientation or gender identity, and protect all persons from arbitrary or unwanted disclosure, or threat of disclosure of such information by others."

Employers need to both avoid discrimination against people because of gender-critical beliefs and also avoid discrimination on the basis of gender reassignment.

SerafinasGoose · 28/06/2023 12:55

HootyMcBooby76 · 27/06/2023 21:57

Yes.
The second you drop dead, all of your inner constructed fantasies and feelings die with you.
And you are just a plain old man or woman. The biology of your body is all that is left.

Reality sucks.

'Then I must keep in good health and not die, Sir'.

I don't know what it is about this post that made me laugh so much. But it did 😂😂😂

Emotionalsupportviper · 28/06/2023 13:56

SerafinasGoose · 28/06/2023 12:55

'Then I must keep in good health and not die, Sir'.

I don't know what it is about this post that made me laugh so much. But it did 😂😂😂

😂😂😂

On a serious note, I have read reports of TW in care homes, suffering from dementia, who are now very upset at being treated as their cc="preferred gender" rather than their born sex - and the staff aren't allowed to call "Stacy", "George" despite it being his given name, and him becoming very distressed, because "identity".

When your marbles start to get a bit loose, and you can't cope with the cognitive dissonance any more, and the lie is too hard to maintain, your body knows EXACTLY what sex you are.

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