There are two sexes…

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Well just that really….I have gay, straight, bi sexual and transsexual friends and absolutely have no problem with that, very much a do what makes you happy person.

Butttt….AIBU to think the world is going a bit mad with all the non-female, cis female and whatever other labels are floating about. I’m a woman and that’s that, you are either biologically a male or biologically a female and I don’t mean that in an insensitive way dress how you like and date who you like but surely we can’t just be inventing different/new sexes and telling straight women they are no longer a woman they are now XYZ?

Well this piss poor attempt at a rebuttal is very unsubtle but it's a useful illustration about how gender evangelists operate.

The thread is about two SEXES, why have you used the word gender? Did you think we wouldn't notice you making the switch to portray Helles response as outdated and regressive?

Gender is a regressive and outdated belief system, I have no desire to deny people the right to believe in it but I do you object to being called a bigot for rejecting it's imposition on me.

Sex is binary. How you prefer to define gender is up to you, I don't believe in it so it shouldn't affect me, stop insisting on my participation.

And here is Samoa, who many posters in the past have referred to.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-pacific-samoa-gender-idUSKCN1UQ036

“Samoan law criminalizes sex between men, and culturally, it isn’t acceptable for a man to wear a woman’s clothes; but the fa’afafine community can freely go outside of those boundaries.”

I am very happy, by the way, to also post the Samoan Prime Minister confirming that fa’afafine are male and most definitely not a third sex if that also helps.

You can assume anything you want about me. I couldn’t give a fuck. Sex IS binary and gender is not sex.

What you choose to believe is on you to work out, but using other cultures to shoehorn in ‘sex is not binary’ is dishonest. If you choose to believe in gender identity theory, then that is also your personal choice. I chose to review facts, studies and read widely before forming an opinion. I expect you do to. Or thought, you would have seen these types of articles before if that was the case.

Though. Not thought

Because the sacred gender caste trumps all other minority interest groups. Why does BLM focus so much on trans, for example, why did they channel so much of their cash into that cause, as opposed to lifting up poor black women and children? Why was that Yaniv fellow supported in suing a load of poor female Asian beauty therapists - women barely making a living and put out of business for refusing to wax his bollocks. Why were they the bigots in the eyes of Canada's liberals, not him, who deliberately targeted them?

God, I wish there was a like button!

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Also you can be a cis woman and be a lesbian or bisexual, it is just simply that you identify as the sex you were born as.

identify as the sex you were born as. FFS please stop with this risible fucking nonsense @Julioop .

And don't ever refer to me as 'cis'.

How far does the 'identify as' stuff go? Will I be respected and validated if I say I identify as a tree? Or is it only a specific list of things (usually kink-related it seems) I'm allowed to identify as?

The d actually stands for difference these days.

This is bloody wonderful! 👏

A mannie or wifey??? Eurgh. Women being defined by their relationships really pisses me off

Settle the fuck doon min. Al Scottish language refers to a woman as wifey. Mannies, wifeys, loons and quines. Awa bile yer heid min.

Probably also cones from the root 'wif' rather than 'wife' fwiw. I've checked this before but forget the etymology

This isn't true.

OhWhatMerryHellIsThis · Yesterday 17:16

I may have missed it but are there any others? Clown fish perhaps?

If someone deploys the clownfish trope, you may be sure that they're a clown.

https://www.audionetwork.com/browse/m/track/march-of-the-clowns_166442

Wife comes from wif, which is a very old word for "woman".
For example mid means with, wif means woman gives us the modern word - midwife, which means "with woman" another word that TRAs want to obliterate from our language.
Plenty of words have roots that go a long way back.

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using the adjective trans in the context trans woman is equally ridiculous

Using "trans" as an adjective is ridiculous in itself, and evidence of another subtle but dangerous shift in the use of language hat we are being lured into.

"Trans" is NOT an adjective - it is a prefix.

The trans community itself used it as a prefix initially. Any comments that "trans-women/transwomen (prefixes JOIN the word) are men" and that "trans" was meaningless, were met with "IT'S A LATIN PREFIX, YOU BIGOTS! LOOK IT UP! EDUCATE YOURSELVES!" And indeed it IS a Latin prefix - used in chemistry - it literally means "on the other side of", so transalpine Gaul, was the area of Gaul on the other side of the Alps. Trans-women are therefore "women" on the other side of . . . I don't know . . . sanity?

A prefix generally very often changes the meaning of a word to its opposite (eg noble/ignoble; moral/amoral, boss/ ex-boss). This could be argued to apply here, where TW are the opposite of women.

Then, possibly realising this, the "trans" became separated from the second part of the word "woman"/ "man" and SUDDENLY WAS BEING USED AS AN ADJECTIVE. The implication then was that a "trans" woman was just another kind of woman - a simple description - in the same way that a black woman, or a tall woman, or a blonde woman were just different descriptions of different women. And they gave this more power with the forced coupling with "cis". (If you aren't "trans", you're "cis" - whether you want to be or not, because it validates "trans")

The truth is that there are only women and men. Men in frocks aren't women. Women in trousers aren't men. NOBODY changes SEX.

"Trans" is a prefix. It is one being used out of context, but it remains a prefix, not an adjective.

Attached to the word "women" it emphasises that these are men.

Attached to the word "men" it emphasises that these are woman.

@FOJN

This

Sex is binary. How you prefer to define gender is up to you, I don't believe in it so it shouldn't affect me, stop insisting on my participation.

It is true that the slip of language making out trans is an adjective when it is a prefix was surreptitious. And while many people say ‘what is the harm, let them identify themselves how they wish’, the harm is that it then completely changes the word woman.

That is the harm.

Now those male people want to be known as female.

That is the harm. Women no longer have their words to describe them without including males, making the words meaningless. Now women means non-‘men’.

The issue also with language is that it hides misinformation.

Note how ever many people fully believe Semenya is a woman. Because the media is now restricted under guidelines pushed by Stonewall in how they report these athletes.

How many posters believed it? How many posters believe that Semenya, and the other athletes are ‘female with naturally high testosterone’.. We all saw the headlines. We all have seen the sporting authorities repeat the phrases. We have all seen the ministers of sport from those nations use that wording.

When everyone uses the wording, people accept it. And then repeat it and double down on their fucked up misinformation on these threads. Even better, they think they are morally superior to those who know and understand the truth.

How many people honestly believe female people are being convicted of sex crimes at a much higher rate? How many people believe that female people have suddenly become more predatory?

How many people also then question a person they don’t understand is male being put in a female prison, or taking a medal in a female sport?

But remember, what is the harm in allowing someone to define who they are and choose the words that define them even if that word used to define woman and girls!

That is why women choose to not acquiesce to language demands. So while you, a general you, wish to be kind and nice, stop telling others they are hateful and bigots for seeing the harms that you don’t.

No fucking way do women have ‘naturally high testosterone’ anywhere near these male athletes. Not even those suppressing down to 5 nmols. If a woman has that level, she has a health condition. And perhaps has a tumour that is producing that level. I am happy to post the range for women, including those with ‘high levels’. It is nothing like those athletes.

It is all fuckwittery.

Thankyou, a salutary message about how important it is to keep a sharp look out for the way language can be tweaked and meaning distorted , subtly changing ideas by degree and skewing our perception by a conjouring trick of

misdirection.

“Cis” means “on the same side as”. There are no “two sides” to being a woman (or a man, for that matter). You are either a woman or you are a man. Therefore “cis” when applied to either human biological sex is meaningless and completely unnecessary.

Re discrimination: the comparator for a transwoman is another man. A transwoman should not be disadvantaged when compared to a non-transidentifying man, NOT when compared to a woman. There is no legal right to access the spaces of the opposite sex, when those spaces (be they actual physical spaces like prisons, rape shelters etc or a wider concept such as women’s sports) are a proportionate means to a legitimate aim - in this case providing women with safety, privacy, fairness or dignity. Even people with a Gender Recognition Certificate can be excluded from single-sex spaces because it is understood that a GRC only creates a legal fiction, it does not change your biological sex and the latter matters.

There is no way to “feel like a woman” unless there is one standard against which the concept can be measured. Which woman are these men who claim to feel like a woman comparing themselves to? You? Me? Margaret Thatcher? Mother Theresa? Myra Hindley? Jennifer Anniston? Anne Boleyn? Martina Navratilova? Need I go on?

If you’re a woman and you reject the social stereotypes associated with your sex…good on you, more power to your elbow. That is the essence of being a gender-critical feminist. But thinking that rejecting much or all of femininity makes you a man, or somehow “non-binary” is just regressive nonsense that solidifies those stereotypes.

There is precisely one way to be a woman: be born female and survive to adulthood. Everything else is personality.

Our Women's network have recently held an event on the male menopause. It's only in the last 18 months that we've actually got traction on the female one (in our workplace at least) and now the males are in on it too.

ThreeB

are you fucking kidding me

male menopause my arse…and taking on importance when you’ve only just got ACTUAL menopause off the ground?!?!