That teachers should be held legally responsible for erroneously teaching children they can change sex?

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Listening to this ridiculous teacher today bullying two students, isn't it time that we started holding teachers responsible for indoctrinating children into thinking they can identify as anything they feel like?

How did we get to this point where kids are so afraid to speak up because of being bullied by classmates or even by teachers?

YABU - I identify as a cat
YANBU - teachers should face the legal consequences for encouraging children to identify out of their biological sex.

YANBU. I was impressed at how articulate and confident those pupils were. That teacher should not be in the profession.

This is such a ridiculous dismissal of the problem, how callous.

We know that a very high percentage of transgender women (i.e. men) in prison have committed sexual offences (about 60%), which is much higher than the general male prison population.

So either there is a strong correlation between being a transwoman and being a sexual offender, or (as many of us suspect) these men are using Self ID to simply gain access to a women's prison.

Therefore they have already shown that they are a high risk to women. But do carry on defending these guys...

There is a simple method for reducing the number of women raped in many situations: sex segregation in public spaces where women are particularly vulnerable.

If one special group of male people want privileged access to women’s spaces the onus is on them to prove both:

• the special group (as a whole, not individually) is significantly lower risk than all the other male people
• no non-special male people with nefarious intent will be able to exploit the opportunity should it be extended to the special group of males

Until that happens (it won’t, because neither of those things are true) I think we can safely just laugh at the people who are essentially claiming “men are going to rape women anyway, so why not make it easier for them?” It is a ridiculous argument so should be met with derision imo.

I don’t care if a man wants to identify as a woman. Why should the rest of the work have to identify him as one?

Why should people get to control other people’s perception of reality like that. Rearrange the whole world to suit yourself and then punish anyone who doesn’t do what you want them to.

‘I have decided that I am a [insert the non-reality you would prefer to be true] and you must adapt your behaviour to fit how I’d like reality to be.’

Being a man or a woman isn't a matter of identity, it's a matter of physical reality.

The gender identity enthusiasts on this thread also don’t seem to understand the nature of identity.

identity isn’t some innate essence that defines you. It’s a set of social ideas and categories that the rest of the world sorts you in to. You might start to believe that’s your identity, but it’s imposed from without and more or less well internalised.

That is why the sentence ‘I identify as …’ is so ridiculous. And egotistical.

For example, whether or not they want to identify as TRAs, we all recognise - identify! - them as TRAs.

Their behaviour and arguments fit the category ‘TRA’ which makes it possible for the social group to identify them as such.

Even if some TRAs try to present themselves as not TRAs - how many threads have we seen with ‘in as GC as they come, but…’ 🙄 - we are able to identify them as such.

That is actually how identity works.

We do try to educate womenon red flags and offer refuges for them to escape don't we?

Th example of domestic abuse is not relevant to whether women should have to share showers or changing rooms or prisons with biological men though.

Heterosexual humans have relationships, and cohabiting/bringing up a family together should be a social good. The problems of abuse in families are complex and women need support to recognise abuse and escape abusive relationships.

There’s simply no reason why biological men need to be in the female changing rooms. None.

@Madeintheshade can a white person identify as a person of colour? If not, why not?

YABU- teachers are simply teaching the curriculum they are directed to teach while under economic duress. Many teachers have been sacked for refusing to or failing to teach the curriculum. If anyone is to be held responsible it should be the Secretary of State for Education at the time that the curriculum was implemented as mandatory.

The curriculum doesn’t tell them to teach biologically illiterate nonsense or that no one is allowed to question someone identifying as a cat.

even if stonewall and other lobby groups have tried to convince schools otherwise.

Thinking you’re a cat isn’t the issue and you do wrong to present this issue one in which teachers aren’t under serious pressure.

Teachers are under economic duress to comply or be sacked and, in this case barred from the profession. Career 8-balled. Black listed.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-65688163

Or this teacher, 54, was ‘treated like a paedophile’ and faced classroom ban after giving science lesson about puberty that ‘upset’ children with gender dysphoria.
https://davidicke.com/2023/06/15/history-teacher-54-was-treated-like-a-paedophile-and-faced-classroom-ban-after-giving-science-lesson-about-puberty-that-upset-children-with-gender-dysphoria/

Teachers cannot even criticise sex education in schools on their personal social media without getting sacked.
https://www.christiantoday.com/article/sacked.christian.teacher.tells.tribunal.she.should.be.allowed.to.disagree.with.gender.fluidity.and.transgenderism/135606.htm

Teachers don’t have to promote nonsense.

I simply don’t believe that you actually care about the pressure teachers may or may not be under. It’s just a convenient distraction tactic from the topic: a teacher telling young women that they cannot have their own views and must subscribe to gender identity ideology wholesale.

None of that has anything to do with teachers being under pressure. In fact, if teachers are worried about being black balled from their profession, then teachers like the one being discussed here are The Problem.

The Secretary of State for education has not instructed anyone to teach that there are 3 biological sexes or that identity is the only thing that matters. No Secretary of State has done that.

I do care about the real pressure teachers are under, it’s you who seems to be blithely ignoring the reality for them and thinking it is oh so easy to just say no.

I don’t think it’s a distraction from the topic as under law we don’t usually hold people responsible for actions they have been forced to do under duress. Economic duress is a legally acknowledged form of duress.

The Secretary of State for Education is responsible for the Department of Education. They are the only one that can be held liable in my opinion as they are the only person with the authority to stop teachers from being put under such duress.

White is a colour…..
(I don’t like the PoC term.)

Ok. Can a white person identify as a Black person, Latino person, Asian person, minority ethnic person?

My DH was a biology teacher and is glad to be away from it. Too easy to be led by goady pupils (on either side of the debate) into saying the "wrong" thing and finding yourself cancelled.

Well this is it. Say the 'wrong' thing and the debate is shut down. Even if everyone knows what you mean. That's why most people are too scared to say anything at all.

What's the point of even having science teachers if objective reality no longer exists? Maths too, come to think of it. Teachers can just spend lesson time spouting nonsense and gender feelz.

I don’t care if a man wants to identify as a woman. Why should the rest of the work have to identify him as one?

Exactly. People can think whatever they like about themselves, however untrue it is. However, they shouldn't be able to force other people to lie in order to match their own personal made-up version of reality.

Yanbu I agree 100%!

Jesus Christ. 🙈 You think gender GP are an unbiased source?! They're raking it in with this gender ideology bullshit!