That teachers should be held legally responsible for erroneously teaching children they can change sex?

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https://www.tiktok.com/@urgalcrystall*/video/7245383841873923355?r=1&&t=8dEqrgzepeE&socialsharing=v5

Listening to this ridiculous teacher today bullying two students, isn't it time that we started holding teachers responsible for indoctrinating children into thinking they can identify as anything they feel like?

How did we get to this point where kids are so afraid to speak up because of being bullied by classmates or even by teachers?

YABU - I identify as a cat
YANBU - teachers should face the legal consequences for encouraging children to identify out of their biological sex.

I bet. Surely the unions could act to represent the concerns of teachers here? They are being asked to operate on a tightrope in a situation which is increasingly hostile without any guidance.

It is such a thorny topic. As a school governor I am about to attend a meeting about this as we asked to see exactly what the pupils will be told. We will be clear about this needing to be both factual and compassionate of others' views and needs. But number one priority is factual.

The OP says "Listening to this ridiculous teacher today bullying two students, isn't it time that we started holding teachers responsible for indoctrinating children into thinking they can identify as anything they feel like?"

"We started holding teachers responsible"

What, with public pile-ons and mass shaming? Putting them on tiktok?

Teachers are caught in the middle here of an extremely toxic debate, with no fucking support from the government, or from anyone, tbh. Like I said previously, we also have teachers being sacked for teaching what you would consider the 'right' side of the debate.

The government have still not released their trans guidance for schools, and when they do, it will be for consultation. Why? Because it's not a decided matter, how to balance the fact that gender reassignment is a protected characteristic under the Equality Act and that this includes children, with the medical concerns raised about transitioning children.

It's a fucking mess.

Every single teacher in the country should refuse to say anything at all on this issue until the government confirms what it is 'safe' to say, that will not get them either sacked, or publicly humiliated.

So teachers and anyone else should absolve themselves of all common sense until the government say otherwise. Righto.

Every single teacher in the country should refuse to say anything at all on this issue until the government confirms what it is 'safe' to say, that will not get them either sacked, or publicly humiliated.

Well I completely agree with that. So we can start there.

I don't think the op meant accountability inasmuch as we should identify this teacher, her home and don't forget to bring a box of eggs.

The good thing about guidance means that teachers can be better held to account when their response goes beyond the acceptable remit when dealing with students. Surely there can't be any part of you that thinks a reasonable response looks like telling pupils that they will need to change schools if they continue to hold such a defendable, reasonable and commonly held belief?

Like I said, it doesn't matter what you think is common sense or the decent thing to do, teachers are losing their jobs/in the wrong on both sides.

I'm not convinced the protected characteristic does apply to children. The EHRC guidance says this: The Equality Act says that you must not be directly discriminated against because:

• you have the protected characteristic of gender reassignment. A wide range of people identify as trans. However, you are not protected under the Equality Act unless you have proposed, started or completed a process to change your sex.

Very few trans children or teens would fall into that category.

If it was clear that children cannot propose to change their sex, then there wouldn’t be this mess, would there?

In 50 years time, we will look back on transphobia in shame, the way we now look back on homophobia.

Teacher need immediate government guidance to protect them from villification.

No one can change their sex.
A child could be put on puberty blockers, I would view that as a sign they were on a path to gender-transitioning.
not just changing name or clothes

I think exactly the opposite will happen.

Hopefully in 50 years time we will have recognised that what you wear/like or any other aspect or ‘presentation’ has sod all to do with biological sex and the whole medical-pharmaceutical industry looking to profit from promoting and treating gender dysphoria will be looked at with sadness and a sense of shame.

So teachers and anyone else should absolve themselves of all common sense until the government say otherwise. Righto.

Are you suggesting that individual teachers should be expected to teach whatever they see fit, based on just their own opinion of what constitutes common sense, rather than following school policy or the curriculum?

Eh no, in just a few years time this trend will die out among young people - they are already getting bored of it and there are many young de-transitioners speaking out about the harm that has been done to them.

What will be left is autogynephillic males who are acting out their fetishes in public and expecting us all to play along. Gross.

And abundance of women hobbled by the effects of testosterone on their body.

@noblegiraffe I said legal consequences for abusing children.
I did not say string them up on social media.

In 50 years time we are going to see the full range of side effects to all this experimental hormones and surgery on children that will be unthinkable.

The discussion in the video (albeit in the first minute, I didn’t listen to any more) is around gender. Gender, as anyone calling themselves a feminist should know, is performative. Masculinities and feminities are available to anyone regardless of their sex assigned at birth.

Sex can be considered as distinct from gender, gender expression and sexual orientation. You can argue there are two biological sexes (although this ignores intersex), but there are many genders.

Of course men can’t change every aspect of their biological make up to those of a woman.

But they can identify as a woman? What’s wrong with that?

And we can recognise them as de facto women. It’s similar to adoption. An adopted child isn’t the biological relation of its parents, but we accept the ‘legal fallacy’ that it is their de facto real child.

What about cctv then? Do shops just assume consent? And railway stations? And traffic junctions?

I suspect the recorders had an idea that they might be misrepresented, since they were already being ticked off, and were getting their retaliation in first. Maybe they thought they were going to be threatened with exclusion?

https://www.gendergp.com/detransition-facts/

@Madeintheshade IMHO no they can't identify as a woman, they are not and will never be. Its a large scale mental health crisis and neither me, or my children will be put at risk by predators that want to access private women's spaces.

Gender GP?

That's your reference for info?

Holy cow.

If it was clear that nobody can change their sex, then there wouldn't be any of this mess.

They put signs up telling you they’re recording you with cctv.

Gender GP is not a source anyone should be going to for facts.