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Man 'sexually assaults' woman then throws her and a friend off bridge into ravine at German tourist spot

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IsThereAnEchoInHere · 16/06/2023 14:46

https://amp.lbc.co.uk/news/women-thrown-off-bridge-germany-neuschwanstein-castle/

21 year old lost her life because of male
entitlement.
I’m sick of this.

When will this end?
Name the problem.

Man 'sexually assaults' woman then throws her and a friend off bridge into ravine at German tourist spot

https://amp.lbc.co.uk/news/women-thrown-off-bridge-germany-neuschwanstein-castle/

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SoccerStars · 17/06/2023 15:56

Pearlsaminga · 17/06/2023 12:45

Chucking him in the ravine would be fair punishment and might actually deter some other men
Then again that sector of men who truly believe that women deserve to die if they reject men's advances would likely have overwhelming impulses to kill more women in punishment for the death of their comrade.
I also feel he ought to be chucked off the ravine but at the same time I know that violence only begets more violence.

Agreed, just take a look at countries like America which has the death penalty. Says it all really.

State sanctioned penalty isn’t the answer but I do understand how families and friends of victims would feel murderous in that situation.

HareRaising · 17/06/2023 15:57

falsepositivenervous · 16/06/2023 16:10

@Maddy70 if the "vast majority" of men were as kind and loving as you like to think they would have banded together centuries ago to eliminate the behaviour that contributes to a climate of woman hating that leads to events like this. They might even do it in current times.

"Most men" might not do this themselves, but they don't step up and do anything that might actually change society for the better in terms of how women are viewed and treated? Men could very easily stop watching porn, could say something when a friend makes a misogynist joke, when they see another man behaving badly to women around them. Most men won't even take these basic steps.

The bar for men is so unbelievably low that we have women saying "most men wouldn't throw young women over a gorge after trying to rape/assault them", so fucking WHAT. So many women and girls are raped and murdered every single day all around the world, and yet men still need protection from angry women who might hurt their feelings by being enraged at shit male behaviour. I'm just so angry at the state of everything, and women coming along to defend the class of people that are overwhelmingly the rapists and murderers of our class is always just the cherry on top.

And to answer your question, yes, I do hate men as a class, they don't often give much reason for otherwise.

THIS. Well said.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 17/06/2023 16:18

Among the many problems with the death penalty (wrongful convictions, lack of deterent effect, general inhumanity), it's not 'The State' doing the actual killing. It's the jury, and the judge, and the prison officers, and the executioner.

And that skews the whole justice system - jurors will refuse to convict in death penalty cases if they are against the possible sentence. Many thoughtful, decent people will leave the law and the prison service rather than be part of killings - leaving a higher proportion of the vindictive and sadistic ones who are on the 'good' rather than 'bad' side of the bars more by chance than by choice. And as for who would take the job of executioner - do you want to be part of society where anybody is asked to do that? Where the state advertises, interviews and pays someone to kill another person? What does it do to the person who carries out that job?

No thank you. There are some people who can never be rehabilitated, and there are no good answers for what to do with them, but adding more murder - and murderers - to the problem is not the answer.

HareRaising · 17/06/2023 16:28

I am not a fan of the death penalty even though I do feel that violent men who harm and murder women and children deserve to die. I do wish though that in the UK we gave out more full life sentences with no possibility of parole. Some men should never be out in society ever again.

3BSHKATS · 17/06/2023 16:52

I watched the Ted Bundy tapes on Netflix last week. Where he literally described exactly what you’ve just said, the fact that the people who were going to restrain him and put him on an electric chair were Monsters.

And then I heard the words of the journalist who described as they watched his fist tighten around his thumb when he was electrocuted, and he wandered to himself, how many of those minimum 30 young girls felt those fingers tighten around their throats. The electric chair apparently renders people unconscious fairly quickly, so it’s relatively pain-free death. I’m pretty sure it’s fairly sanitised and in terms of the person pressing the button could be replaced with AI now.

HRTQueen · 17/06/2023 16:57

I agree there should be more whole life sentences

sex offenders who reoffend should have much longer sentences they are impossible to manage safely in the community

that Colin Pitchfork (raped and murdered two 15 year old girls served 30ish years) is being released again after breaking his conditions within weeks of release two years ago is just astounding

Pearlsaminga · 17/06/2023 17:16

HareRaising · 17/06/2023 16:28

I am not a fan of the death penalty even though I do feel that violent men who harm and murder women and children deserve to die. I do wish though that in the UK we gave out more full life sentences with no possibility of parole. Some men should never be out in society ever again.

I see your point but prisons are already understaffed and overfull, how will we get the govt to build more and improve pay & conditions so that people are willing to staff them?

nebulae · 17/06/2023 17:40

I'm against the death penalty but I'd support more whole life sentences and I'd give those prisoners the option of being euthanised if they prefer.

HareRaising · 17/06/2023 19:47

Pearlsaminga · 17/06/2023 17:16

I see your point but prisons are already understaffed and overfull, how will we get the govt to build more and improve pay & conditions so that people are willing to staff them?

I realise that this is probably just a pipe dream - it's an 'in an ideal world and if women's lives mattered more' type scenario I suppose.

DdraigGoch · 17/06/2023 19:59

Maddy70 · 16/06/2023 17:00

What men warn their daughters against other men? My husband and my make friends are always welcoming and kind to boyfriends that they meet of their girlfriends. I don't recall ever hearing them being warned off men....

Where do you think that this comes from?

Man 'sexually assaults' woman then throws her and a friend off bridge into ravine at German tourist spot
bluelagoon12 · 17/06/2023 20:18

Freefall212 · 17/06/2023 09:10

But we aren't all like that. I have had a very adventurous and low fear life as a woman. I have travelled the world on my own extensively and many times been in very vulnereable situations where I have needed to rely on strangers, men I have only met in that situation for help and I have never been taken advantage of. I have run after dark often and never reported to anyone about getting home. I have taken may risks and put myself in the homes and beds of men unknown to me (in years gone by) and still never been harmed in any way. It changed my view. We are taught that as women, we can't do this or we can't do that as the big bad men will get us but my experience was the opposite. That we need to be filled with fear, but we don't! Time and time again, across the world, all I ran into was great men who helped me, kept me safe, were kind, caring, compassionate, and went out of their way for me. I make thoughtful and smart choices about who I surround myself with in my daily life and in my close relationships.

I am not saying that bad things don't or can't happen, they do. Some are preventable and some are not preventable at all. But fear is a choice. Everyone (men and women) could live in a constant state of fear and stay home and behind locked doors but that is really no way to live. Life involves some risk. We can mitigate that risk without fear. If you have been victimized in a traumatic way, that will shape your view going forward for sure but it also skews your view that everyone is dangerous because one person was.

My experience with men has been completely different. I had a man follow me home from the bus stop in the dark and stand outside, staring into my hallway.

I had a man verbally harassing me from his car while pregnant and pushing my child in a pushchair.

I had a man stare at me in such an unpleasant way that I decided to walk a different route which was more busy.

I was groped by a man in public when I was only 6 years old.

When I was in my mid twenties, I left the gym with my headphones on. All of a sudden I felt a hand between my legs. I turned round and saw a group of young boys running off laughing.

I had my bum slapped by a young man when I bent down to give a beggar some money.

These are just some of examples, there have been other incidents as well.

I know many other women who had similarly unpleasant experiences with men.

I know many lovely men, I'm married to one.

But throughout my life it were always men who made me fear for my life. Never women.

And I'm worried for my daughter, who isn't even 2 years old yet.

Maddy70 · 17/06/2023 21:23

DdraigGoch · 17/06/2023 19:59

Where do you think that this comes from?

That's nonsense. Ive seen the same about dating sons. It's not real it's a joke!

Maddy70 · 17/06/2023 21:33

RosaGallica · 17/06/2023 13:02

Is that the openly recognised excuse now? At least it’s come out of the closet. Hitler must have had mental health issues, as must Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan, Attila the Hun, Cortes and Pizarro, …., And all the men who willingly, even joyfully followed them.

It’s an excuse. That’s all.

So you think Hitler was sane? Give your head a wobble

FuckNuggets · 17/06/2023 21:54

L3ThirtySeven · 16/06/2023 22:18

Who was standing by watching them rape and kill? Sources please xxx

oh wait, there were no witnesses! You’re being sarcastic. My bad.

So Couzens wasn't nicknamed "the rapist" by his colleagues then?

DdraigGoch · 17/06/2023 22:36

Maddy70 · 17/06/2023 21:23

That's nonsense. Ive seen the same about dating sons. It's not real it's a joke!

A joke based upon a well-known phenomenon of fathers not trusting boys around their daughters. Don't even try to suggest that the mistrust works both ways, despite your NAMALT everyone knows that the potential consequences for women are worse, including pregnancy.

When Your Daughter's Boyfriend Comes Over | Lee Evans

"I know why you're here pal, I know why you're f**king here, pal!"The difference between having a son or a daughter...Taken from Big Live At The 02 - Lee Eva...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31ySq37633c

Maddy70 · 17/06/2023 22:40

DdraigGoch · 17/06/2023 22:36

A joke based upon a well-known phenomenon of fathers not trusting boys around their daughters. Don't even try to suggest that the mistrust works both ways, despite your NAMALT everyone knows that the potential consequences for women are worse, including pregnancy.

Didn't take long. There are at whole load of these that I genuinely cba looking for. But go ahead

Man 'sexually assaults' woman then throws her and a friend off bridge into ravine at German tourist spot
DdraigGoch · 17/06/2023 23:09

Maddy70 · 17/06/2023 22:40

Didn't take long. There are at whole load of these that I genuinely cba looking for. But go ahead

You can find anything on the internet. Guess which one gets shared more...

The fact remains (despite the minimising you keep trying to do) that men represent a substantially greater threat to women than women do to men.

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