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Man 'sexually assaults' woman then throws her and a friend off bridge into ravine at German tourist spot

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IsThereAnEchoInHere · 16/06/2023 14:46

https://amp.lbc.co.uk/news/women-thrown-off-bridge-germany-neuschwanstein-castle/

21 year old lost her life because of male
entitlement.
I’m sick of this.

When will this end?
Name the problem.

Man 'sexually assaults' woman then throws her and a friend off bridge into ravine at German tourist spot

https://amp.lbc.co.uk/news/women-thrown-off-bridge-germany-neuschwanstein-castle/

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bluelagoon12 · 16/06/2023 19:27

Naunet · 16/06/2023 19:22

What kind of dick pandering handmaid actual writes this on a thread about yet another man, murdering a woman? Seriously, what wrong with you? Why the urge to post that? Are you trying to deflect from male violence for some reason?

I suspect that some men's rights activists have arrived on this thread. I can't explain it another way.

IsThereAnEchoInHere · 16/06/2023 19:40

Wasley · 16/06/2023 18:45

But men have wives , mothers , sisters nieces and daughters. Some men dislike women , not all .

Men with wives, mothers, sister, niecrs and daughters still hate women.
Having women in their lives doesn’t stop them from hating women.
Women are just appliances to these men.
Just because a man has a wife/gf, has nothing to do with him actually liking women. Nothing.
That’s why it’s so stupid when people think married men are ’good men’ etc…

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3BSHKATS · 16/06/2023 19:43

I actually heard one man who has a four-year-old daughter describe he’d like to punch the daughter’s mother in the face and beat her until her eyes popped out. They’re still together.

Hopefully it will never happen.

The mother’s crime ? House wasn’t clean and tidy enough.

FuckNuggets · 16/06/2023 19:43

Maddy70 · 16/06/2023 16:57

You think men aren't appalled by these crimes? They have daughters , sisters , wives etc. They are actually the ones who in the majority are bringing these criminals to justice , they are largely the police and law enforcers far more than women.

Yes, we know they're the police. Look at the Met! Wayne Couzens and David Carrick were able to carry out their crimes freely whilst these "nice men" just stood by and watched. Couzens was nicknamed "the rapist" FFS!

Freefall212 · 16/06/2023 19:45

3BSHKATS · 16/06/2023 19:25

What percentage of women kill their children and other women and men? I cannot remember the last time I actually saw a female killer in the news. Women with mental health issues are more likely to turn the violence against themselves and self harm.

As for emotional abuse, fuck me if we started document in that too against men, I think most of them would be in the clink

In 2022, there were 84 women murdered in incidents considered domestic, 50 men murdered in incients considered domestic, and 46 children killed in incidents considered domestic.

Women have higher rates of killing children under one and about equal rates to men in killing children over one.

Men are 3 times more likely to kill themselves than women are.

Violence against women is an issue however men are not all evil and women are not all saints. And both can be victims.

unsync · 16/06/2023 19:46

@Maddy70 "The man that has done this is despicable and no punishment is too severe for him. But the vast majority of men are kind and loving and are also appalled at this. "

It's all very well being apalled, but do they call out their peers for misogyny? I don't see this vast majority of men doing anything about it. That makes them complicit.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 16/06/2023 19:52

@Freefall212

In 2022, there were 84 women murdered in incidents considered domestic, 50 men murdered in incients considered domestic, and 46 children killed in incidents considered domestic.

Can you include the sex (not gender, birth sex) of the murderers in each group?

Thank you

LightlySearedontheRealityGrill · 16/06/2023 19:58

I think these males are not fully formed humans, they are predatory animals walking around in human bodies. Their brain doesnt have the full bandwidth that normal humans have. Quite how they end up like that I dont know, but they are almost always male.

GrumpyPanda · 16/06/2023 19:58

bluelagoon12 · 16/06/2023 16:41

I have a legal question. Maybe someone on this thread is a lawyer/knows a little bit more about such cases.

If he as an American murdered an American woman abroad, could it be possible that he's extradited to America and put in front of a court there?

Or will he be charged and put in prison in Germany?

German authorities have said they aren't considering extradition in this case. What's much more likely would be an extradition after a completed court case for him to complete his prison term at home.

Freefall212 · 16/06/2023 19:59

FlirtsWithRhinos · 16/06/2023 19:52

@Freefall212

In 2022, there were 84 women murdered in incidents considered domestic, 50 men murdered in incients considered domestic, and 46 children killed in incidents considered domestic.

Can you include the sex (not gender, birth sex) of the murderers in each group?

Thank you

I don't have the document open anymore but it was about 90% of men are killed by men, and just slightly higher for women victims (maybe 92-93%) and children are about 50% killed by men.

So about 80ish men killed their female partners. Is that 80 too many yes - but isn't a number reflective of the attitude on here that all men hate women and want them dead.

Another 120ish women were also murdered but not in domestic situations. Another 550 men were also murdered but not in domestic situations and another 5 children under 16 were murdered but not in domestic situations.

georgarina · 16/06/2023 20:04

beguilingeyes · 16/06/2023 16:35

Back to Germaine again
“Women have very little idea of how much men hate them"
A lot of men don't like women at all. they like them for sex but not as people.

My ex once said, thoughtfully, 'I guess women ARE people.'

Progressive...

FlirtsWithRhinos · 16/06/2023 20:24

@Freefall212

So about 80ish men killed their female partners. Is that 80 too many yes - but isn't a number reflective of the attitude on here that all men hate women and want them dead.

I don't think anyone is saying that though.

I think they are saying men hurt and murder women (and men) far more often than the other way round, and let's remember it's sonething like 1 in 30 women get raped in the UK EACH YEAR so even if it's just a handful of men doing a lot of raping, getting round 700,000 odd women in a year still takes a bloody big handful.

And they are saying that the "good" men, the ones who don't murder or rape, don't seem to care enough to stop it, don't care that the culture of joking about and belittling women and minimising sexual assault is the culture that creates the bad men.

Just because it's not "all men" that doesn't make it not a problem with men.

beguilingeyes · 16/06/2023 20:52

I do Parkrun a stone's throw away from where Zara Aleena was murdered last year. He kicked her to death. Just horrifying and ho went out specifically looking for a woman to kill. She was his second attempt.
I never heard of a woman going on a hunt for a random man to sexually abuse and kill...
And Sarah Everard... another murder tourist victim..He picked her up in Clapham and drove her home to Kent to kill her. Can you imagine the horror for her of that car journey?
I like a lot of men... I'm married to one, but as a group?

2ndMrsdeWinter · 16/06/2023 20:53

I cannot fucking believe the denial on this thread. It’s absolutely bonkers. I have a father, a brother and a partner. They are all decent men and I love them. But I am also a mother of girls and it would be negligent of us to not teach them the dangers of men. The statistics speak for themselves - men can be violent and may kill you. You cannot just trust them all and hope for the best.

HRTQueen · 16/06/2023 21:21

It’s not all men is irrelevant

it’s that it’s far too many men that is what needs to be talked about and dealt with

myveryownelectrickitten · 16/06/2023 21:22

I don’t know any men that would sexually assault or abuse a woman. It seems that there are probably men in your life that are like this (hence your hatred of all men), but I personally don’t know any.

Ah, you see, you think that, but statistically you are pretty much overwhelmingly likely to be wrong.

I can pretty much guarantee that you know men who are domestic abusers, use prostitutes or sex workers, or who have other unpleasant histories — you just don’t know you do. So many women suffer from domestic violence or sexual abuse in secret; some men who appear absolutely lovely can do awful things. I’ve known several men who’ve turned out to have committed some horrific crimes or betrayals that no-one would expect. In some cases families and women keep their secrets forever because of the shame of others finding out.

A “lovely” senior colleague at work, very respectable person, devoutly religious, wife and children, pillar of the community — turned out he had been running level 5 image child pornography rings on the dark web for twenty years. Didn’t get jailed because he came across very “remorseful” and “contrite” in court, apparently, according to the judge. I was aghast that you could hardly move at work for people defending him, even when the really unpleasant details of what he had done were described at the sentencing.

Another “lovely” man I knew well — people used to say how lucky his wife was, what a family man, how much he did with the children, such a new man, what a feminist, his I wish I was married to X, etc. — well; turned out he lost their home from running up massive debts his wife knew nothing about, all from paying prostitutes for ten years; gave her an STD as well.

Lots of women in my mum’s generation who we knew as family friends who you over time quietly found out had husbands who hit and were seriously abusive, though would appear just delightful in company and highly “respectable”. In fact, I’ve known quite a few men personally who you’d swear were absolutely “lovely” if you knew them well - but who were entirely different, violent and difficult, personalities behind closed doors.

I know this from bitter personal experience, but also from many other women. It make me look at even the apparently “lovely” ones with suspicion, because I know very well indeed that you don’t really know a man from how he appears, even if you think you know him very well.

Many older women are very very aware of this - the “lovely” man with the hidden side that isn’t so nice. In fact it’s hard, after a while, not to know quite a few women this has happened to, even if you’re lucky and it’s never happened to you directly. o do really get why some women are psychologically very very invested in the whole “namalt and my lovely dad and hubby are wonderful!” thing. You’re either extraordinarily lucky, very young, or very naive about the lives of other people (and don’t have many women friends confide in you), if you have not yet realised that quite a lot of men are not nearly as nice as they appear.

beguilingeyes · 16/06/2023 21:38

Wasley · 16/06/2023 18:45

But men have wives , mothers , sisters nieces and daughters. Some men dislike women , not all .

Wayne Couzens has a wife and three children, including a daughter. It means nothing...and I said a lot of men, not all.

Pearlsaminga · 16/06/2023 21:54

In fact, I’ve known quite a few men personally who you’d swear were absolutely “lovely” if you knew them well - but who were entirely different, violent and difficult, personalities behind closed doors
they know the importance of appearances & guarding their reputations, the more people trust them the easier it is to dismiss those who say different.
Humans are 'wired' to defer to those who are more powerful than them, in a tribe your best bet is to side with the leaders & those who dominate, that's whey we tend to default to trusting the powerful.

falsepositivenervous · 16/06/2023 22:11

@myveryownelectrickitten very good comment, completely agreed

L3ThirtySeven · 16/06/2023 22:18

FuckNuggets · 16/06/2023 19:43

Yes, we know they're the police. Look at the Met! Wayne Couzens and David Carrick were able to carry out their crimes freely whilst these "nice men" just stood by and watched. Couzens was nicknamed "the rapist" FFS!

Who was standing by watching them rape and kill? Sources please xxx

oh wait, there were no witnesses! You’re being sarcastic. My bad.

L3ThirtySeven · 16/06/2023 22:20

unsync · 16/06/2023 19:46

@Maddy70 "The man that has done this is despicable and no punishment is too severe for him. But the vast majority of men are kind and loving and are also appalled at this. "

It's all very well being apalled, but do they call out their peers for misogyny? I don't see this vast majority of men doing anything about it. That makes them complicit.

And what are we? Helpless wallflowers? Does we women doing “nothing” make us complicit too? Please note that ranting about it online after the fact isn’t really doing anything about it.

Naunet · 16/06/2023 22:45

L3ThirtySeven · 16/06/2023 22:20

And what are we? Helpless wallflowers? Does we women doing “nothing” make us complicit too? Please note that ranting about it online after the fact isn’t really doing anything about it.

Well apparent yes, you are just a wallflower because your trying to berate women for even talking about it. Slow handed clap for the angry handmaid.

Naunet · 16/06/2023 22:46

*you're

L3ThirtySeven · 16/06/2023 22:49

Naunet · 16/06/2023 22:45

Well apparent yes, you are just a wallflower because your trying to berate women for even talking about it. Slow handed clap for the angry handmaid.

If I am a wallflower and handmaid, then so are you. If random men are complicit in what other men do, then so are we women. There’s not such thing as guilty by penis.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 16/06/2023 22:50

Weirdly, men who don't respect women enough to not rape and kill us don't take much notice of women saying treating women badly isn't ok. They take their cues for what's OK from other men. That's why we need the majority of men to stop laughing and joining in with low level misogyny. Because it's telling the bad men that women don't really matter.

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