Man 'sexually assaults' woman then throws her and a friend off bridge into ravine at German tourist spot

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https://amp.lbc.co.uk/news/women-thrown-off-bridge-germany-neuschwanstein-castle/

21 year old lost her life because of male
entitlement.
I’m sick of this.

When will this end?
Name the problem.

I find it fascinating how many posters know so many nice kind men. I know a couple of genuinely good ones, a load of men I don’t know well enough to know what they’re like behind closed doors/ when they’ve had a drink, some who I’ve seen behind the curtain with and it’s not good, and some who I hope never to come into contact with again because they are criminal towards women and girls.

Most men are pleasant enough when they get their own way, I wouldn’t describe them as nice and kind unless I’d seen first hand what they are like when they don’t get their own way. No doubt this man will be described as quiet or nice to his mum, yet he sexually assaulted and murdered a woman, was he nice and kind until he committed this crime?

For a start, 1.6% of adults needs to be treated as an average - so if your 75:25 ratio is accurate = 2.4% of men, 0.8% women.

95% of this crime against women committed by men does not = 0.38% (or indeed from the correction above 0.76%) of men are violent against women. You're assuming no re-offenders for a start.

But above all, you're assuming that reported AND convicted VAWG = all the VAWG.

Obviously, we don't know what % goes unreported. But a horrifying majority of reported VAWG goes unconvicted.

Tl;dr: your figures are 'garbage in, garbage out' = absolute bollocks.

No, my figures come from the CSEW which includes unreported crimes. If you look at convictions, it’s even lower.

The 1.6% is not a calculated average. It is the total of all adults.

If we include re-offenders, then the % of men being violent goes down even more. My figure is the worst case scenario where none are reoffenders to get the highest possible % of violent men. Still well below 1% of men.

I live in Germany and according to the papers here the perpetrator was staying at the same hotel as his victims in the centre of Munich.They went on an organised coach tour to Neuschwanstein.So it was most probably a planned attack /murder.Just think about it .That wanker travelled all the way from the US to kill a young girl just starting out in life .She was about to start a job at Microsoft.And then along come the apologists saying its all mental health issues .it has become more than mental health issues now in society with the attacks recently on innocent women and children all over the world .he needs to have the book thrown at him . i hope he never sees the light of day again.

This is an appalling crime. Those poor women. I hope they throw away the key.

And to all those posters leaping on here to say NAMALT, no one said they were. For pity's sake make your own thread and let us focus on the WOMEN victims in this case, not your DH who is mowing the lawn. Not everything is about you.

Right, so 1.6% of adults means if you have 1000 adults, 16 are victims, yes? 12 men & 4 women if your ratio is correct.

So for men it's 12/500 = 0.024 or 2.4%. For women, 4/500 = 0.008 or 0.8%.

With me so far?

You're absolutely correct that re-offenders means fewer men each committing more crime. Which doesn't help your argument - it means the miscreants are getting away with it.

& again, you are relying on reported VAWG. Which is a bit like trying to safely steer the Titanic past the iceberg just by making sure you leave a few inches clearance of the bit above the waterline.

Wow ok. So you don't think there are risks that girls and women have to be prepared for? When we're out at night, when we're travelling alone, when a man we don't know approaches us?

It's not about 'most' men.

Most times we leave our doors unlocked it will probably be fine.

It only takes one man for a woman to be traumatised for life.

No, the CSEW includes unreported crimes. Reported is defined as reported to the police.

For the same reason many good women watch cinema with men being beaten bloody, stabbed, shot & killed- because if it’s a film of any sort produced by a company, action or porn, the impression is that it is not real.

This takes the absolute biscuit in terms of most ridiculous statements I've ever heard. Don't join a debate club unless you like public humiliation.

Then show me the data. Show me the evidence that violent media has made any impact on violence in real life.

Violent crime has gone down 400% at the same time violence has gone up in media (action films, porn, games).

Why do you think this has happened?

Even if we define it as 'reported to a CSEW surveyor', you still have extremely problematic data. Violence against children, for example, is highly unlikely to show up, as is intimate partner violence. Things like choking or slapping during sex are increasingly normalised in porn, so may not even be acknowledged by the victim as violence. There are dozens of factors that make CSEW unreliable in this aspect.

Your data's dodgy & your number crunching is wrong 🤔. I'm sure you're right that levels of violent crime, overall, as reported to surveyors, are decreasing.

You just can't extrapolate much from that about how much damage men are actually doing to women.

Btw, if there is a correlation between violence in films (porn or action), it would seem that the more violent the media we watch is, the less violence then happens in real life.

Many studies have shown that young people are re-enacting what they see in porn, with many school boys thinking it's normal for girls to cry during sex because that's what they always see in porn. Really don't know where you got the idea that porn doesn't influence society, all you need to do is google it. Many researchers are looking into it.

So violent media cannot be causing violence in real life.

Do you really not understand that actors in films are not actually getting stabbed/blown up/strangled on film? Or do you believe that in porn the women aren't actually being penetrated, choked by hands, penises, made to vomit, penetrated by multiple penises at once, etc? Do you think that's all CGI and not being done to actual women?

Just so you know, men don't respect women like you either. Just because you lap up everything they do, even if it hurts women, doesn't mean they won't turn on you some day. No matter what you do, you're still a woman.

It is a mental health issue though. No-one of sound mind plans to murder or cause harm to another

I’m a woman and I’m speaking for myself. How about women of a different opinion keep this in mind and stop with the name calling? They’re only showing that their hate towards men also includes women who don’t hate men.

This is what the women on this thread who are chastising us for describing and despairing of degenerate male behaviour remind me of. It's not a new thing for some women to hate feminists (even though they all benefit from what feminism has given them).

So tired of " Not my Nigel" comments on here.

@L3ThirtySeven it’s a while since I’ve had cause to look at the CSEW but I’m pretty sure that domestic violence and sex offences didn’t used to be categorised as violent crime, they were treated separately- is that still the case? If it is I don’t think the violence stats (which I think is what you are quoting?) are particularly meaningful when discussing male violence against women and girls

This completely. I am not scared of men, I genuinely believe that most men are lovely , kind and generous. I am not worried for my daughter ..I am not alone in this. Women name calling other women for not being terrified of men Is frankly ludicrous and loses any credibility

@Maddy70 I don't know how you can be on a thread where a man tried to rape and then murdered a young woman, and not be afraid for your daughter.

It feels like it goes against evolution to purposely make yourself not be afraid of a group that predates on your kind. Convincing yourself that there is no danger from any male anywhere doesn't actually change the facts that men are the most likely out of any group to abuse/rape/murder you. Being aware of it and calling it out is much more conducive to a safer society.

But we aren't all like that. I have had a very adventurous and low fear life as a woman. I have travelled the world on my own extensively and many times been in very vulnereable situations where I have needed to rely on strangers, men I have only met in that situation for help and I have never been taken advantage of. I have run after dark often and never reported to anyone about getting home. I have taken may risks and put myself in the homes and beds of men unknown to me (in years gone by) and still never been harmed in any way. It changed my view. We are taught that as women, we can't do this or we can't do that as the big bad men will get us but my experience was the opposite. That we need to be filled with fear, but we don't! Time and time again, across the world, all I ran into was great men who helped me, kept me safe, were kind, caring, compassionate, and went out of their way for me. I make thoughtful and smart choices about who I surround myself with in my daily life and in my close relationships.

I am not saying that bad things don't or can't happen, they do. Some are preventable and some are not preventable at all. But fear is a choice. Everyone (men and women) could live in a constant state of fear and stay home and behind locked doors but that is really no way to live. Life involves some risk. We can mitigate that risk without fear. If you have been victimized in a traumatic way, that will shape your view going forward for sure but it also skews your view that everyone is dangerous because one person was.

I have travelled alone all over the world. Including in less developed countries. I still know I am at risk. And from whom.

@L3ThirtySeven like I said, all you have to do is google it. Here are a few websites and studies on how pornography use is linked to sexualised violence.

scotscoop.com/opinion-pornography-perpetuates-a-culture-of-violence/

www.unitedwecare.com/pornography-and-domestic-violence-two-sides-of-the-same-coin/

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6751001/

journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/08862605211055145

So no evidence then, just anecdotes about what you think teenage boys are like.

Most men respect women. I don’t lap up everything they do, don’t be an ass.

It is a mental health issue though. No-one of sound mind plans to murder or cause harm to another

🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄 do you send letters to all the violent men in prison to help keep their morale up? The rapists, the murderers, the child molesters, the domestic abusers? They all can't help it, it's so unfair for them 😭

So two opinion pieces and two small sample studies from the Americas that have found only a weak association. No correlation and no causation. No comparison to historic rates of violence whatsoever.

It's true that the vast majority of men are kind and loving.

I actually wouldn't agree with that at all.

It's the minority who are truly ok on all fronts.

They do it becouse they get away with it. That Colin Pitchfork was released after raping and murder of 2 teenage girls. We need a far more robust judicial systems. Since having my daughter I have changed my mind about the death sentence, I know not everyone thinks the same but the systems we have in place assume that all criminals can and want to be rehabilitated and deserve a second chance. I don’t belive that is the case.