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AIBU?

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To go round to neighbours in the morning?

224 replies

MonkeyDoodles · 09/06/2023 22:45

Because I have totally had enough.
Next door neighbours just had a loud party from 5.30PM to only now just finishing up. Loud screeching and screaming from the kids, hot tub and all the noise that comes from that, DIY also done in the middle of it all. My whole evening has been a write off because of them.
This is constant. Kids range from 4 years to 10 years and scream and holler to each other constantly for hours on end. My other family members don't want to confront them as are worried about causing an argument but I honestly feel it is having a massive impact on my mental health. Aibu to go round there and tell them it's not on even if my family disagree? It is actually unbearable and causing a lot of arguments in my own home.

OP posts:
Billyho · 12/06/2023 10:26

GlomOfNit · 12/06/2023 09:13

OP is not being unreasonable, she's complaining about consistent antisocial behaviour that happens ALL THE TIME, and Friday night was just the last straw! FFS this isn't hard to understand?

Of course it's not 'illegal' to have a one-off party that finishes before 11pm. But as part of a pattern of behaviour that demonstrates her neighbours are horrible, inconsiderate sods who don't give a shit about anyone around them ... I completely sympathise, OP.

There is so much of this sort of thing nowadays - especially now that everyone seems to have embraced the concept of 'outdoor rooms'. I live next door to people who have friends and kids around every time the sun is shining and the outside temps top about 17 degrees. It's the constant kid-screaming, hollering, multiple dogs barking, BBQ smoke (and weed smoke in the evenings...), or power tools as they're also constantly constructing yet more buildings and structures in their garden (last count, 10!!). None of it (weed aside) is illegal but it's most of the time and we similarly feel we can't rely on peace and quiet in our own garden.

To suggest that we lump it, or find some money and buy a field with a house in the middle of it, is besides the point. Yes, you expect some neighbour noise if you have neighbours, but if you live alongside people, there's a social contract on both sides. Don't be arseholes. Don't have people round EVERY weekend. Don't play your music so loud outdoors that people three doors down can appreciate it. Train your bloody dogs.... etc.

So if it’s illegal and the neighbours love their outdoor rooms, pools, trampolines etc…

What options would you suggest?

I mean FFS, it’s not difficult to understand that people live differently?

I mean why would all the options for outdoor items be available?

GlomOfNit · 12/06/2023 10:31

Billyho · 12/06/2023 10:26

So if it’s illegal and the neighbours love their outdoor rooms, pools, trampolines etc…

What options would you suggest?

I mean FFS, it’s not difficult to understand that people live differently?

I mean why would all the options for outdoor items be available?

Assume you meant 'so if it's NOT illegal...' ? Smile

Because something is available to do, doesn't mean that people SHOULD do it, or in this specific case, just because it's perfectly legal to have a very noisy outdoors social life, doesn't mean that a reasonable person should do that all the bloody time, does it?

It's about rubbing along with your neighbours. It's about compromise. If I lived as a hermit and wanted everything as quiet as a Cistercian monastery, it would be excessively unreasonable for me to expect those around me to be silent all the time. It would also be unreasonable for those around me to be constantly partying, hollering, having parties etc.

Just don't be an inconsiderate sod. That is not hard to understand!

CremeEgg1983 · 12/06/2023 10:32

@Billyho It is against legislation which is why there are remedies available for the OP

CremeEgg1983 · 12/06/2023 10:37

From the government website:

Councils must look into complaints about noise that could be a ‘statutory nuisance’ (covered by the Environmental Protection Act 19900).
For the noise to count as a statutory nuisance it must do one of the following:
• unreasonably and substantially interfere with the use or enjoyment of a home or other premises
• injure health or be likely to injure health
If they agree that a statutory nuisance is happening or will happen in the future, councils must serve an abatement noticee_. This requires whoever’s responsible to stop or restrict the noise. The notice will usually be served on the person responsible but can also be served on the owner or occupier of the premises.
The abatement notice can be delayed for up to 7 days while the council tries to get the person responsible to stop or restrict the noise.
Councils are responsible for looking into complaints about noise from:
• premises including land like gardens and certain vessels (for example, loud music or barking dogs)
• vehicles, machinery or equipment in the street (for example, music from car stereos)

It also says:

Councils can investigate complaints of statutory nuisance to tackle noise produced at any time of day or night.

Billyho · 12/06/2023 10:38

Billyho · 12/06/2023 10:26

So if it’s illegal and the neighbours love their outdoor rooms, pools, trampolines etc…

What options would you suggest?

I mean FFS, it’s not difficult to understand that people live differently?

I mean why would all the options for outdoor items be available?

Not illegal

piedbeauty · 12/06/2023 10:58

SummerLover01 · 09/06/2023 22:57

If you want peace and quiet move somewhere without neighbours.

Sorry OP but you're the one being unreasonable here

They're kids, using their garden in the summer. Not really sure why you can't understand this.....

I use my garden. My dc use the garden. We don't scream or shout though. Can't you understand that people should be considerate to each other? OP's neighbours sound like a nightmare.

Barney60 · 12/06/2023 11:14

Sadly the noise wont stop, even if you do say something, it might even make it worse.
I have got similar going on, yes it does play on your mental health, ive no idea why people have to play loud music, and shout to each other over the top of it when sitting next to each other.
(Yes it is loud i can hear it over my tv with all doors and windows closed.)
For those that said move to the country if you dont want neighbours, i did, it was heaven, now 3 new building sites been built around me which brings all the noise with it, im back on the market very shortly.
I think people need to consider other neighbours, when i have my grandchildren i fetch the children in if there screeching and screaming at the tops of their voices, or being very very noisy, consideration of neighbours is surely part of the living in harmony near others, sadly this is very lacking in my opinion.

wentworthinmate · 12/06/2023 11:56

OP, I have been in your shoes 20 years ago and to this day I suffer. Nobody can understand what it is to live with neighbours like this until you have them. I dreaded going home every day. It broke me. My son who was of school age at the time and had the back bedroom which was on their garden side was kept awake to late at night with neighbours ferals. They also did DIY late into the night. I don’t know what to suggest to you because whatever I tried made it worse and moving was the only answer (in my circumstances). Take care x

Newandveryconfused · 12/06/2023 20:47

If you added that it was EVERY night in your OP (which you didn't till your 2nd post, but made out you did in your 1st post) , then the people who don't read/follow all your added posts would probably respond differently.

Just saying.

Rottweilermummy · 13/06/2023 12:40

Maybe you could record the noise and speak to council if it's really bad and continuous , even though we are parents it doesn't mean we don't or can't get irritated by our or other kids screaming, drives me nuts and other people's children always make more noise lol and girls screaming also seems louder ,but although it's annoying it's very hard to expect children to be quiet outside playing , maybe ear plugs are the answer , I'm very grateful though that I do live in the country now 😁🙏

Jojofjo44 · 15/06/2023 19:40

This is a you problem I'm afraid. They are a large loud family enjoying their space, and you like obviously like a quieter environment. Both of you are entitled to use your space as you see fit in reasonable hours which these are. It's up to you to change your reaction to their exuberance not them to accommodate you.

Fluff3 · 15/06/2023 19:43

Lilbunnyfufu · 09/06/2023 22:50

I agree.
Even in my tenancy agreement it's says we can play music until 11pm

Yes, but you would very selfish to actully do this. Glad your not my neighbour.

Fuckthatguy · 15/06/2023 20:25

@Jojofjo44 why do their needs trump OPs exactly?

Legislation breaches aside that is…

Jojofjo44 · 15/06/2023 20:47

@Fuckthatguy they don't. Each has the right to enjoy their garden as they wish to. I live next door to a family very similar to the ones OP has, loud, laughing, shouting, enjoying themselves in their own way. It's a bit much. I however prefer things a bit quieter of an afternoon so will settle with a book and my ear phones on listening to music. But I'm not about to tell the neighbours that they're out of order in their own space when they are perfectly entitled to do as they wish.

TimesRwo · 15/06/2023 22:23

Fuckthatguy · 15/06/2023 20:25

@Jojofjo44 why do their needs trump OPs exactly?

Legislation breaches aside that is…

What legislation have they breached?

Fuckthatguy · 15/06/2023 23:50

@Jojofjo44 Again I ask, why must the OP accommodate their consistent, daily interference with the OPs right to quiet enjoyment of their land?

Fuckthatguy · 15/06/2023 23:54

@TimesRwo its already been pointed out by PP on the thread

CremeEgg1983 · 16/06/2023 00:54

@TimesRwo The Environmental Protection Act 1990, 79(1)(g) which says

"The following matters constitute "statutory nuisances" for the purposes of this part, that is to say-
...
Noise emitted from premises so as to be prejudicial to health or a nuisance".

So no, OP doesn't have to accept it as she isn't the one breaching legislation.

TimesRwo · 16/06/2023 08:25

CremeEgg1983 · 16/06/2023 00:54

@TimesRwo The Environmental Protection Act 1990, 79(1)(g) which says

"The following matters constitute "statutory nuisances" for the purposes of this part, that is to say-
...
Noise emitted from premises so as to be prejudicial to health or a nuisance".

So no, OP doesn't have to accept it as she isn't the one breaching legislation.

It is highly unlikely that noise of a family enjoying their garden, however annoying to the OP, breaches the Environmental Protection Act.

The nonsense that people come up with on MN!

CremeEgg1983 · 16/06/2023 09:25

@TimesRwo it can be a statutory nuisance depending on the volume, regularity and the effect it's having on a person.

It's not nonsense, dealt with it myself legally and successfully with a positive outcome.

TimesRwo · 16/06/2023 09:27

CremeEgg1983 · 16/06/2023 09:25

@TimesRwo it can be a statutory nuisance depending on the volume, regularity and the effect it's having on a person.

It's not nonsense, dealt with it myself legally and successfully with a positive outcome.

It will also depend on the nature of the noise. Children playing in the garden and the odd party that finishes by 11pm won’t fall into that category. Ordinary living noise is allowed.

The noise would drive me crazy too, so I’m not defending, but it’s a reach to claim it’s illegal.

CremeEgg1983 · 16/06/2023 09:30

@TimesRwo from what the OP describes, that doesn't sound like ordinary living noise, it sounds like a statutory nuisance which can be actioned. Regular parties in the garden until late at night would definitely be actioned.

TimesRwo · 16/06/2023 09:35

CremeEgg1983 · 16/06/2023 09:30

@TimesRwo from what the OP describes, that doesn't sound like ordinary living noise, it sounds like a statutory nuisance which can be actioned. Regular parties in the garden until late at night would definitely be actioned.

The parties didn’t sound like it was that regular. It was on a Friday and it finished before 11pm.

The children playing in the garden and the hot tub was what was regular. As annoying as it is, it doesn’t sound out of the ordinary.

LadyEloise1 · 16/06/2023 17:58

@MonkeyDoodles
I can absolutely understand why you're upset.
Constant noise ( not just an odd occasion ) like that would drive me scatty.
But going round to people like that and trying to reason with them is a waste of time I would think.
They won't care and don't have the nous to know their behaviour is not the norm.
In fact they'd probably escalate the noise.
Did you go round to them ?

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