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Sister in law is causing a family rift over nothing

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Constantlyeyerolling · 30/05/2023 02:39

So a year ago when my DD was newborn (8 days old) we were visiting my wife’s brother and sister in law.
During the conversation my wife was cradling our daughter when her 16month old nephew toddled over to look at the baby, cue said nephew then hammerfisting our daughter hard to the top of her head and attempting to do it again. My wife, understandably in my opinion, yelled very loudly “NO,NO” and moved her nephew back away from the baby with her free hand. Nephew did not stumble or fall or was he hurt in any way but he began to cry at being told off and ran to his dad ( wife’s brother). I had not seen what had happened and her reaction made me jump, I was also quite shocked at how she yelled at nephew as she adores her nephew and I have never heard her shout at him before. I asked what the hell all the shouting was about and said there was no need to yelp out so loudly, she then angrily snapped at me stating nephew had just hit DD hard on her soft spot. I then understood why she had reacted the way she had out of panic and shock rather than any actual desire to upset nephew. She felt bad about yelling afterwards and apologised to her brother and explained why she reacted the way she did the following day.
SIL had been upstairs ant the time and came running down into the room to see what had happened. BIL explained and was telling Nephew off. Wife was consoling crying daughter and placing her in her stroller. SIL was not pleased at all by the look on her face although she did not say anything at the time but the atmosphere soured and we took it as our cue to say our goodbyes and leave.

SIL has never mentioned this incident to either of us again, mainly because since that day she has refused to even speak to us. We have heard via BIL that after we left SIL exploded stating we were not welcome in her house ever again and were to have no contact with nephew. BIL was upset by this and tried to explain why my wife over reacted and smooth things over however it has now been a year and she still refuses to budge, see sense or accept apologies.

my wife and her brother have tried to maintain there relationship for the sake of MIL and the children and eventually nephew does spend time with us, usually when SIL and BIL are stuck for babysitters and it suits them!! He stays over, comes out for play dates etc. Nephew is still very much a “hitter”, does not share or play well with others, my SIL has been called into kindergarten on numerous occasions due to kicking other children in the face, pinching and scratching. He also behaves like this towards our daughter when in our care but we are too scared scared to even tell him off for fear contact will be stopped altogether again as we love him and know he’s just learning and will grow out of it.

our issue is SIL still refuses to speak or have anything to do with my wife, she will collect Nephew from our house without speaking, if there is a family event she will refuse to attend and as BIL does not have his licence he will have to take a cab or can’t come if we try to arrange anything with just him. Family events and visits to in laws have to be structured to accommodate the rift.

prior to this we were very close, we would eat out together at least once a week, stop by each others houses regularly, days out and vacations would be taken together and thanksgiving / Christmas etc would be spent together. Their friends were ours and visa Versa, we were a very close unit. My wife and her SIL were never “best friends” but as we were so close to her brother ( he and I were friends prior to meeting my wife) and our eldest son worshiped the ground SIL walked on and she treated him like her own child we were always very grateful to have a lovely SIL.

wife and I expected this to eventually blow over when SIL eventually calmed down. There has never been a crossed word about it between SIL and my wife nor has it been discussed at all. we assumed she’d angrily shouted at BIL about it but was not angry enough to raise it with us therefore we left it between them to sort out as we are his family and they would come to a resolution.

we have tried to smooth things over with minimal fuss, offered lifts, tried to arrange 4th July and invited them both, mentioned casually that we were going out if they wanted to come along to show we’re not treating her behaviour as a big deal and want to just move on but we have been snubbed over and over again, she refuses to engage with us at all.

it’s now over a year and as our social lives are so intertwined it is now becoming beyond awkward and inconvenient to the point my wife and I are hurt and angry that she is causing this rift in the family and forcing friends to choose who to invite out. We’re also becoming increasingly angry at BIL for allowing her to behave this way and cause all this hurt and upset, that will effect our wider family and children. He just protests he’s stuck in the middle and can’t make her change her mind and that she thinks we should count ourselves lucky she now even “allows” us to see or babysit our nephew!!

we were all invited to a family cook out this weekend. BIL had called ahead to see if we were going, we said we were undecided. He then said he needed to know as SIL wanted to go but would only do so if we were not, he then actively encouraged us not to go as he really wanted to go with his SIL. Well wife began to curse and shout calling SIL stubborn and ridiculous pointing out that if she was such a terrible person why was she asked to care for nephew when it suited them when what she had done was so terrible to receive such punishment of being cut off. This ended in the phone being hung up. We did not go, they did and had a lovely time according to Social media.

we’re at the point now where we can’t deal with this anymore and feel like cutting them out completely, washing our hands of them rather than keep trying to make allowances for SIL ridiculous behaviour hoping it will blow over. We’re angry at BIL for being so pathetic and her for being a stubborn heartless b*h for allowing this to ruin our close family. We have sent very “controlled” texts explaining our position, tgat we love Nephew and Wife shouted at him in the heat of the moment and lives him dearly and basically pleading for things to go back to how they were which have not been responded to.

AIBU, what should we do! My wife is devastated it’s come to this but SIL is digging her heals in and we don’t know why! The constant rejection from reaching out hurts and is now causing us to feel anger and resentment which we’re unlikely to be able to come back from if it doesn’t change soon. We think we shut cut ties and wait for them to come to us….but what if they don’t?!

OP posts:
Billybagpuss · 30/05/2023 02:58

I’m not sure how else your dw could have reacted to protect your new born.

stop apologising and if they chose to avoid family gatherings because you are there that’s their problem. Don’t change your behaviour to accommodate them.

Clementinesucks · 30/05/2023 03:36

For gods sake stop looking after their kid! They are both nuts

DPotter · 30/05/2023 03:37

Can anyone from the family act as an honest broker to talk to both sides to reach some sort of peace ?

I'd be stepping back from the baby sitting to be honest - don't get sucked in to doing favours as quite clearly they are not going to work, and should you find yourselves in a position where the nephew is hitting and hurting your DD, things will only get worse between both sides of the family.

Don't blame the BIL - it's unrealistic to think of him as pathetic as he really is stuck in the middle and his primary loyalty is to his wife. If he can't change her mind, there is nothing he can do

Delphinium20 · 30/05/2023 03:44

So, DN hits newborn baby and your wife needs to apologize? That's backwards. How about, "I'm so sorry we didn't watch DN close enough. He shouldn't have hit baby."

SIL is batshit.

Hal9001 · 30/05/2023 04:05

Are you a lesbian couple?

LindorDoubleChoc · 30/05/2023 04:06

How odd. I've only read a couple of Mumsnet posts today and they both feature the incorrect spelling of heels!

OP I gave up about half way through your incredibly long post ... but there's no way on God's green earth I'd be doing childcare for someone who refuses to speak to me.

JustJoinedRightNow · 30/05/2023 04:09

How is this relevant to answering the OP’s aibu?

JustJoinedRightNow · 30/05/2023 04:10

Sorry that was to @Hal9001

Witchcraftandhokum · 30/05/2023 04:13

Hal9001

Why?

OrderOfTheKookaburra · 30/05/2023 04:14

I agree with stopping with the apologies. Also stop with the babysitting as favours. Go to EVERY single social event you can. Don't not go just so that she can go to some. She doesn't want to go if you're there? She can sit at home on her own.

Hal9001 · 30/05/2023 04:14

Yes@JustJoinedRightNow, I just got a vibe...

It would not affect my answer

At all.

WiddlinDiddlin · 30/05/2023 04:26

I don't see how your wife was over reacting in the first place - what was she supposed to do, let it happen? Say 'please don't do that again' in a sweet voice so as not to upset the violent toddler?

Her brother needs to tell his wife that his sister acted totally understandably, and appropriately in the situation, a situation where his wife was not in fact present to parent herself and he missed the opportunity to do so.

I would definitely not be baby sitting this kid to do the pair of them any favours whatsoever!

GoalShooter · 30/05/2023 04:30

YANBU. Stop looking after nephew, and definitely stop turning down family invites to enable them to go. They are the ones behaving badly here, your wife has done nothing wrong.

SparklyBlackKitten · 30/05/2023 04:37

Your post is like a freaking book haha way too long

Your wife was in her right to yell at nephew
You should have taken her side
Sil needs to fucking chill
And I read something about babysitting? Well of course never babysit again for a person who doesn't welcome nor speaks to you wife

Ellie450 · 30/05/2023 05:02

I asked what the hell all the shouting was about and said there was no need to yelp out so loudly, she then angrily snapped at me

I’m sorry, you said what to your upset wife? You charged in with profanity, reprimanded her like a child, and caused her to (justifiably) snap at you? Frankly I think part of the problem is that you escalated the situation further than it needed to be. Have you apologized for that? Particularly for swearing in front of their toddler, which is a big deal to some people?

It reminds me of the recent thread where the OP’s son had a fall on some stairs and her father came charging in yelling “What the fuck is going on?! What the fuck happened?!” instead of being reasonable or helpful.

Also, your BIL doesn’t drive? That’s pretty odd for an American outside of NYC or maybe Chicago. Does he rely heavily upon his wife then?

YANBU for being fed up with their nonsense and I don’t think you should babysit for them anymore. The SIL is clearly being unreasonable. In fact it’s such an overreaction that I almost wonder if she’s using it as an excuse to distance herself/not be involved.

YABU for your reaction though and I suspect that if it had just been your wife yelling “no” and the toddler crying without your swearing/conflict added on top that the crazy SIL probably wouldn’t be cutting you all off. If attacking/having a go at someone is your default when startled then you need to nip that shit in the bud because it is completely toxic. Sorry to be harsh but I’ve seen the consequences of that before.

sunnydaysandhappythoughts · 30/05/2023 05:11

Ellie450 · 30/05/2023 05:02

I asked what the hell all the shouting was about and said there was no need to yelp out so loudly, she then angrily snapped at me

I’m sorry, you said what to your upset wife? You charged in with profanity, reprimanded her like a child, and caused her to (justifiably) snap at you? Frankly I think part of the problem is that you escalated the situation further than it needed to be. Have you apologized for that? Particularly for swearing in front of their toddler, which is a big deal to some people?

It reminds me of the recent thread where the OP’s son had a fall on some stairs and her father came charging in yelling “What the fuck is going on?! What the fuck happened?!” instead of being reasonable or helpful.

Also, your BIL doesn’t drive? That’s pretty odd for an American outside of NYC or maybe Chicago. Does he rely heavily upon his wife then?

YANBU for being fed up with their nonsense and I don’t think you should babysit for them anymore. The SIL is clearly being unreasonable. In fact it’s such an overreaction that I almost wonder if she’s using it as an excuse to distance herself/not be involved.

YABU for your reaction though and I suspect that if it had just been your wife yelling “no” and the toddler crying without your swearing/conflict added on top that the crazy SIL probably wouldn’t be cutting you all off. If attacking/having a go at someone is your default when startled then you need to nip that shit in the bud because it is completely toxic. Sorry to be harsh but I’ve seen the consequences of that before.

I wouldn't say the word "hell" is that much of a profanity or that it read like the OP was unpleasant to their wife.

PsychoHotSauce · 30/05/2023 05:11

Youre all enabling batshit SIL and by extension the wet BiL.

Stop looking after nephew and go to every single event. If they don't want to come they can exclude themselves and feel the natural consequences.

The longer this goes on, the more the narrative will be rewritten that both sides were at fault. Don't be a fool. Continue your lives as normal and stop pussyfooting around the drama!

Rubychews · 30/05/2023 05:24

Stop babysitting for someone who hates you for a start. Don’t miss out on family gatherings, it’s her choice not to come. She’s a raging nutter who thinks she can control everyone and will try to play the victim when nothing else works. Just smile and ignore her shit.

Shoxfordian · 30/05/2023 05:26

Why are you still babysitting for them? Stop trying to accommodate people who treat you like shit

Imogensmumma · 30/05/2023 05:28

Your wife should not be apologising and should not have apologised as a brand new mum she watched a toddler smash her babies head! New mums are meant to protect their offspring so that’s what she did! I would have yelled and been so scared about my baby in the moment. Stop apologising as another pp said the SIL and BIL should have apologised to you!

Also YABU - why did you walk into the room and say your wife over reacted! Shame on you

I’m guessing the SIL was wanting distance from the family ties before this issue and then kaboom a perfect opportunity presented itself.

No more babysitting until you get an apology as your wife is owed one and not the other way around

Fraaahnces · 30/05/2023 06:02

Well for a start, stop bloody babysitting for them and stop rearranging your lives to accommodate them. If he can’t drive and relies on you, then he will have to stand up for himself or get his flipping driver’s license. Sounds like she has a serious case of PFB and the kid’s behaviour hasn’t been addressed at home, which is why he’s acting out at nursery. I can’t believe you’re all too scared of offending the twit SIL that you are babysitting for her AND allowing the kid to hurt yours. That’s madness.
Don’t let that affect you and your kids. Start saying no and calling her out on her insanity.

TidyHomeTidyMind · 30/05/2023 06:05

The maddest thing is you are still babysitting the little terror.....he won't grow out of it, it will have to be parented out of him!
Both yourself and DW need to stop being such wet lettuces.

Polari · 30/05/2023 06:13

I agree with pp’s. You’re being far too nice.
Establish some firm boundaries and don’t allow your dc to think people can walk over them.
Your sil is unreasonable.

Namechangedforthis2244 · 30/05/2023 06:16

Do you think that there’s a chance that this has really touched a nerve with sister in law?

You've said that nephew is violent often and that she has regularly been called into nursery for poor behaviour which is unusual. Could it be that she is really worried about additional needs or something and your reaction tapped into that?

Either way I think it’s time to step back. Stop babysitting dn, stop apologising or speaking to them about it. See your wife’s brother, don’t see sil.

Raindancer411 · 30/05/2023 06:19

As others have said, stop the babysitting as if she isn't going to help correct the behaviour and you are to scared to tell him off, you are putting your DD at risk of getting hurt. Also what is it going to tell your daughter if she see him not getting told off for these behaviours?

As for the rest, just carry on as you would before it all happened.