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Sister in law is causing a family rift over nothing

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Constantlyeyerolling · 30/05/2023 02:39

So a year ago when my DD was newborn (8 days old) we were visiting my wife’s brother and sister in law.
During the conversation my wife was cradling our daughter when her 16month old nephew toddled over to look at the baby, cue said nephew then hammerfisting our daughter hard to the top of her head and attempting to do it again. My wife, understandably in my opinion, yelled very loudly “NO,NO” and moved her nephew back away from the baby with her free hand. Nephew did not stumble or fall or was he hurt in any way but he began to cry at being told off and ran to his dad ( wife’s brother). I had not seen what had happened and her reaction made me jump, I was also quite shocked at how she yelled at nephew as she adores her nephew and I have never heard her shout at him before. I asked what the hell all the shouting was about and said there was no need to yelp out so loudly, she then angrily snapped at me stating nephew had just hit DD hard on her soft spot. I then understood why she had reacted the way she had out of panic and shock rather than any actual desire to upset nephew. She felt bad about yelling afterwards and apologised to her brother and explained why she reacted the way she did the following day.
SIL had been upstairs ant the time and came running down into the room to see what had happened. BIL explained and was telling Nephew off. Wife was consoling crying daughter and placing her in her stroller. SIL was not pleased at all by the look on her face although she did not say anything at the time but the atmosphere soured and we took it as our cue to say our goodbyes and leave.

SIL has never mentioned this incident to either of us again, mainly because since that day she has refused to even speak to us. We have heard via BIL that after we left SIL exploded stating we were not welcome in her house ever again and were to have no contact with nephew. BIL was upset by this and tried to explain why my wife over reacted and smooth things over however it has now been a year and she still refuses to budge, see sense or accept apologies.

my wife and her brother have tried to maintain there relationship for the sake of MIL and the children and eventually nephew does spend time with us, usually when SIL and BIL are stuck for babysitters and it suits them!! He stays over, comes out for play dates etc. Nephew is still very much a “hitter”, does not share or play well with others, my SIL has been called into kindergarten on numerous occasions due to kicking other children in the face, pinching and scratching. He also behaves like this towards our daughter when in our care but we are too scared scared to even tell him off for fear contact will be stopped altogether again as we love him and know he’s just learning and will grow out of it.

our issue is SIL still refuses to speak or have anything to do with my wife, she will collect Nephew from our house without speaking, if there is a family event she will refuse to attend and as BIL does not have his licence he will have to take a cab or can’t come if we try to arrange anything with just him. Family events and visits to in laws have to be structured to accommodate the rift.

prior to this we were very close, we would eat out together at least once a week, stop by each others houses regularly, days out and vacations would be taken together and thanksgiving / Christmas etc would be spent together. Their friends were ours and visa Versa, we were a very close unit. My wife and her SIL were never “best friends” but as we were so close to her brother ( he and I were friends prior to meeting my wife) and our eldest son worshiped the ground SIL walked on and she treated him like her own child we were always very grateful to have a lovely SIL.

wife and I expected this to eventually blow over when SIL eventually calmed down. There has never been a crossed word about it between SIL and my wife nor has it been discussed at all. we assumed she’d angrily shouted at BIL about it but was not angry enough to raise it with us therefore we left it between them to sort out as we are his family and they would come to a resolution.

we have tried to smooth things over with minimal fuss, offered lifts, tried to arrange 4th July and invited them both, mentioned casually that we were going out if they wanted to come along to show we’re not treating her behaviour as a big deal and want to just move on but we have been snubbed over and over again, she refuses to engage with us at all.

it’s now over a year and as our social lives are so intertwined it is now becoming beyond awkward and inconvenient to the point my wife and I are hurt and angry that she is causing this rift in the family and forcing friends to choose who to invite out. We’re also becoming increasingly angry at BIL for allowing her to behave this way and cause all this hurt and upset, that will effect our wider family and children. He just protests he’s stuck in the middle and can’t make her change her mind and that she thinks we should count ourselves lucky she now even “allows” us to see or babysit our nephew!!

we were all invited to a family cook out this weekend. BIL had called ahead to see if we were going, we said we were undecided. He then said he needed to know as SIL wanted to go but would only do so if we were not, he then actively encouraged us not to go as he really wanted to go with his SIL. Well wife began to curse and shout calling SIL stubborn and ridiculous pointing out that if she was such a terrible person why was she asked to care for nephew when it suited them when what she had done was so terrible to receive such punishment of being cut off. This ended in the phone being hung up. We did not go, they did and had a lovely time according to Social media.

we’re at the point now where we can’t deal with this anymore and feel like cutting them out completely, washing our hands of them rather than keep trying to make allowances for SIL ridiculous behaviour hoping it will blow over. We’re angry at BIL for being so pathetic and her for being a stubborn heartless b*h for allowing this to ruin our close family. We have sent very “controlled” texts explaining our position, tgat we love Nephew and Wife shouted at him in the heat of the moment and lives him dearly and basically pleading for things to go back to how they were which have not been responded to.

AIBU, what should we do! My wife is devastated it’s come to this but SIL is digging her heals in and we don’t know why! The constant rejection from reaching out hurts and is now causing us to feel anger and resentment which we’re unlikely to be able to come back from if it doesn’t change soon. We think we shut cut ties and wait for them to come to us….but what if they don’t?!

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vdbfamily · 30/05/2023 08:18

I agree with person suggesting you try and find someone in extended family/ friends who is a good mediator and see if you can bring a discussion about what happened, why it happened and how you don't want it to be causing ongoing hurt to the whole family.
It is time to move on. If SIL refuses to accept meditation or is unreasonable during mediation, at least you tried everything before giving up.

VDisappointing · 30/05/2023 08:22

OrderOfTheKookaburra · 30/05/2023 04:14

I agree with stopping with the apologies. Also stop with the babysitting as favours. Go to EVERY single social event you can. Don't not go just so that she can go to some. She doesn't want to go if you're there? She can sit at home on her own.

I agree with this too - you are not stopping her going to things she is stopping herself. I would go to everything and it would come to a point where she is going to be forced to choose.
She is continuing this because she is embarrassed by her behaviour. If I was your wife I would text her directly and ask to meet her for a coffee by themselves to discuss things. Its better its just the two of them or at best the wife and the brother - people who are embarrassed are better with no or little audience.
You are accidentally allowing her behaviour to continue because you are baby sitting her son and allowing her to not speak in your house.
You guys need to act normal - its her that is acting abnormal and you are acting abnormal to try and accommodate her for the right reasons but she has proved it does not make a difference.

mfbx5sf3 · 30/05/2023 08:22

Your wife didn’t over react in the slightest. SIL and BIL are awful humans and sound like crap parents. Stop being pushovers and stop doing them favours/ taking their feelings into consideration at all. Crack on with your life and ignore them completely.

Maddy70 · 30/05/2023 08:24

Establish boundaries.

Firstly just tell them to assume you are attending all family events. They can choose to go or not , Do not get into negotiations

Stop having their child unless she can be civil to your wife

LookItsMeAgain · 30/05/2023 08:25

Please stop being their safety net for babysitting. Because you keep being their safety net, they keep the situation in its current status quo.
You need to disrupt this.
Yes it will be a difficult step to take but based on the situation you've explained, your SiL wasn't even in the room when it happened, didn't see what had happened and flew off the handle. She doesn't get to be the person who calls the shots here.
Your BiL and your wife are the only two adults who were in the room when the incident took place. They are the only ones who should be making decisions about whether nephew is allowed around your daughter.

Your nephew lashes out and has done so with your newborn daughter and while in his kindergarten too.

I think you might need to get the adults involved to sit around a table, in a last ditch attempt to resolve the situation, where only one person speaks at a time and thrash out (verbally) what the situation is, what could be done to improve it and what will be done if this blanking continues. You will not put up with being blanked and nor should your wife have to.

Best of luck whatever you decide to do

3peassuit · 30/05/2023 08:27

Any mother would be protective of her newborn in the circumstances described. Stop apologising and stop babysitting. Leave sil alone until she apologises to your wife for her ridiculous behaviour.

thecookiecrumbles · 30/05/2023 08:29

It's not about the baby being shouted at, that's a red herring.

It's about your SIL and BIL wanting to put you in your place and for them to be the more important couple/family unit in the wider family unit and for you to be subordinate to them.

You are playing along with it by allowing yourselves to be used as 'the help' whilst not being good enough to socialise with.

When you ostracised yourself from the cookout (is that a barbecue?) you played further into this dynamic.

They don't care about your or respect you at all. I include your BIL in that.

They don't want to make up re: the shouting because it is isn't about that, it's about them asserting their superiority with them.

Drop the rope. Stop babysitting, stop engaging, stop caring. Go to family things you want to go to and ignore them if you need to.

BarbedButterfly · 30/05/2023 08:32

Stop apologising. What happened happened and for understandable reasons but your SIL has made her choice.

The only thing I didn't like in your post was the subtle message that your BIL should sort his wife out. He will naturally put her first and unfortunately it means he is a bit stuck in the middle. He can give his point of view but she is an independent person with her own thoughts and however unreasonable they might be, he will side with a harmonious home.

Disentangle your social lives and just accept this probably won't change. We have had to do this when friends broke up. Some things they come to, the ex comes to others. Not ideal but sometimes it just happens.

LAMPS1 · 30/05/2023 08:35

Stop making them your focus. No more apologising. Minimise the rift. Ignore it.
If you love your nephew, there’s no need to stop babysitting him if you want to help out (but just make sure your dd is safe guarded all the time.)
Accept all family invitations / celebrations and go enjoy yourselves. Don’t talk about the rift.
Invite others to yours and always include them. Again, don’t talk about the rift.
Don't get upset if they choose not to come.
Don't get upset if they don’t invite you.
If you are asked again by them if you are going to a family party, just say every time that yes you hope to go and are really looking forward to it and hope to see them there. Don’t get upset or angry if they kick off. Ignore it.
Just always be your lovely warm, sociable, reasonable selves.
You can still socialise with BIL on his own.
lf SIL wants to keep up this crazy position of being your wife’s victim, it should just be her missing out, not you and your little family.
It’s her business what she does and how she behaves. Stop letting it affect you.

diddl · 30/05/2023 08:35

Cannot for the life of me understand why you/your wife look after your nephew.

Why was your wife left alone with her nephew especially if he was known to hit with a newborn to look after.

She should be furious at everyone-and you for shouting at her.

What were you thinking?

Jinglybangly · 30/05/2023 08:38

That was a lot of words for very little information, I assume you are American.

Do the things you want to do. Don't discuss your plans with them. If you both end up at an event then she will have to suck it up and stay or leave. Not your problem.

Look after your nephew if you want to but insist on a conversation at handover. How is nephew? What has he eaten today? Will he need food, a nap etc whilst with you. If you can't get basic information you refuse to look after him. Don't let him in the door until you have had a conversation with her.

It really isn't difficult, just stop playing up to the drama.

Whatyoutalkingabouteh · 30/05/2023 08:39

Seems like everyone is pandering to SIL- ignore her behaviour and go to all the events you want to m. If she wants to go that’s her choice but it doesn’t need to be one or the other. Stop looking after your nephew- you’re being used. If they want you to have a relationship with him they’d grow up and see you socially as a family

Yousee · 30/05/2023 08:39

Billybagpuss · 30/05/2023 02:58

I’m not sure how else your dw could have reacted to protect your new born.

stop apologising and if they chose to avoid family gatherings because you are there that’s their problem. Don’t change your behaviour to accommodate them.

First answer has it, as is so often the case.
I'd look at it as SIL cutting herself off from her In laws and her babysitting resource.
Stop planning around her. Go or don't go to family events as suits you. She can do the same.
Stop apologising. Once was more than enough. They should have been apologising to you for not intervening before their child hurt your newborn.
Stop subjecting your DD to physical harm from a child that you won't discipline.
Just stop all of it.

Codlingmoths · 30/05/2023 08:46

What everyone else says! Stop apologising, stop babysitting (you say you’ve realised that as long as his mum won’t talk to you for objecting to her son hitting an 8 day old baby in the fontanelle , it wouldn’t be appropriate) , go to everything you can fit in, stop telling bil whether you are going or not. ‘We’ll see.’ ‘Not sure/ your wife might have to risk being in the same room as someone who objects to hitting babies. I know that’s not her usual crowd.’ ‘None of her business frankly where we go and what we do and could you please stop asking? We don’t ask you.’

Hoppinggreen · 30/05/2023 08:50

SIL is a silly bitch and you all need to stop enabling her.
Stop apologising and stop discussing what events you are /aren’t going to. Go where you want and if they don’t go who cares
Stop babysitting a child that may not be safe around your child.
In general support your poor wife

euff · 30/05/2023 08:53

Yanbu to stop trying with these people.

user1492757084 · 30/05/2023 08:58

It will eventually end.
The nephew will get a new sibling and hit it.
The SIL will calm herself.

Keep doing what you are doing but do not adjust your life to accommodate them.
I would be most upset with the brother for not sticking up for his sister.

Itsanotherhreatday · 30/05/2023 09:00

What are you thinking?

You babysit for someone who doesn’t even have the curtesy to speak to you? And allow that child to hit your daughter - and not tell him off? No no no!!

And trying to smooth things over with BIL - No - and changing plans you’re been invited to? No

seriously- say no to babysitting you are enabling SIL bad behaviour - if there’s a party and you want to go - go - have a nice time - that’s it

custardcreme77 · 30/05/2023 09:00

Have some self respect and stop begging for scraps off the table ie only having access to nephew on SIL’s terms when no one else is available. Stop the babysitting, stop dancing to her tune. Enough with your appeasement and SIL controlling you and your life and social engagements. If she can’t move on, that’s her problem.

DunkingMyDonuts · 30/05/2023 09:01

Stop pussyfooting around a badly behaved child and his entitled mother. "Too scared to tell him off" what a couple of wimps.
Grow a spin fgs

WhatNoRaisins · 30/05/2023 09:01

I don't get why you're babysitting, you need to have more self respect that to do a favour for someone who doesn't even have the courtesy to speak to you. Remember you will teach people how to treat you by your actions.

DunkingMyDonuts · 30/05/2023 09:02

or even a spine

FabFitFifties · 30/05/2023 09:04

OrderOfTheKookaburra · 30/05/2023 04:14

I agree with stopping with the apologies. Also stop with the babysitting as favours. Go to EVERY single social event you can. Don't not go just so that she can go to some. She doesn't want to go if you're there? She can sit at home on her own.

This

Spcd · 30/05/2023 09:04

Stop babysitting.

Tell them you're going to every event whether or not you've decided - and then shut down any conversation where your bil tries to pressure you not to go.

But other than that I wouldn't blame bil. He is as unable to change her mind as you are and it's as much a victim of her unreasonable behaviour as you are - more likely because if she's this unreasonable over this who knows what what she's being unreasonable about begins closed doors. You need to keep the door open for bil so his wife does not result in him becoming completely isolated. I would also continue to give him lifts etc to stop him becoming isolated.

Sunshineandseagulls · 30/05/2023 09:07

Unlike pps I would keep seeing your nephew, not exactly babysitting at BIL and SIL's convenience, but still seeing him when it suits you. It's not the child's fault and it would be good to keep and build a relationship with him. Obviously he needs to behave himself around your daughter though (in an age appropriate way), she can't be put at risk.

I would go to any family event you like. If you won't know until the last minute if you can attend or not just say that. As long as it's ok with the host it's fine. You don't have to tiptoe round your SIL's bad behaviour or adjust what you do because of her. She can exclude herself if she wants, that's really nothing to do with you.

It was natural and right for your wife to be protective of your DD, but it would of course have been better if her response hadn't included roaring at a very small child. You have mentioned 3 instances in your post where your wife reacted angrily or shouted or cursed (to DN, to you and to her brother). Do you think she lets her anger get the better of her sometimes? It does seem so just from a quick read.