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Sister in law is causing a family rift over nothing

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Constantlyeyerolling · 30/05/2023 02:39

So a year ago when my DD was newborn (8 days old) we were visiting my wife’s brother and sister in law.
During the conversation my wife was cradling our daughter when her 16month old nephew toddled over to look at the baby, cue said nephew then hammerfisting our daughter hard to the top of her head and attempting to do it again. My wife, understandably in my opinion, yelled very loudly “NO,NO” and moved her nephew back away from the baby with her free hand. Nephew did not stumble or fall or was he hurt in any way but he began to cry at being told off and ran to his dad ( wife’s brother). I had not seen what had happened and her reaction made me jump, I was also quite shocked at how she yelled at nephew as she adores her nephew and I have never heard her shout at him before. I asked what the hell all the shouting was about and said there was no need to yelp out so loudly, she then angrily snapped at me stating nephew had just hit DD hard on her soft spot. I then understood why she had reacted the way she had out of panic and shock rather than any actual desire to upset nephew. She felt bad about yelling afterwards and apologised to her brother and explained why she reacted the way she did the following day.
SIL had been upstairs ant the time and came running down into the room to see what had happened. BIL explained and was telling Nephew off. Wife was consoling crying daughter and placing her in her stroller. SIL was not pleased at all by the look on her face although she did not say anything at the time but the atmosphere soured and we took it as our cue to say our goodbyes and leave.

SIL has never mentioned this incident to either of us again, mainly because since that day she has refused to even speak to us. We have heard via BIL that after we left SIL exploded stating we were not welcome in her house ever again and were to have no contact with nephew. BIL was upset by this and tried to explain why my wife over reacted and smooth things over however it has now been a year and she still refuses to budge, see sense or accept apologies.

my wife and her brother have tried to maintain there relationship for the sake of MIL and the children and eventually nephew does spend time with us, usually when SIL and BIL are stuck for babysitters and it suits them!! He stays over, comes out for play dates etc. Nephew is still very much a “hitter”, does not share or play well with others, my SIL has been called into kindergarten on numerous occasions due to kicking other children in the face, pinching and scratching. He also behaves like this towards our daughter when in our care but we are too scared scared to even tell him off for fear contact will be stopped altogether again as we love him and know he’s just learning and will grow out of it.

our issue is SIL still refuses to speak or have anything to do with my wife, she will collect Nephew from our house without speaking, if there is a family event she will refuse to attend and as BIL does not have his licence he will have to take a cab or can’t come if we try to arrange anything with just him. Family events and visits to in laws have to be structured to accommodate the rift.

prior to this we were very close, we would eat out together at least once a week, stop by each others houses regularly, days out and vacations would be taken together and thanksgiving / Christmas etc would be spent together. Their friends were ours and visa Versa, we were a very close unit. My wife and her SIL were never “best friends” but as we were so close to her brother ( he and I were friends prior to meeting my wife) and our eldest son worshiped the ground SIL walked on and she treated him like her own child we were always very grateful to have a lovely SIL.

wife and I expected this to eventually blow over when SIL eventually calmed down. There has never been a crossed word about it between SIL and my wife nor has it been discussed at all. we assumed she’d angrily shouted at BIL about it but was not angry enough to raise it with us therefore we left it between them to sort out as we are his family and they would come to a resolution.

we have tried to smooth things over with minimal fuss, offered lifts, tried to arrange 4th July and invited them both, mentioned casually that we were going out if they wanted to come along to show we’re not treating her behaviour as a big deal and want to just move on but we have been snubbed over and over again, she refuses to engage with us at all.

it’s now over a year and as our social lives are so intertwined it is now becoming beyond awkward and inconvenient to the point my wife and I are hurt and angry that she is causing this rift in the family and forcing friends to choose who to invite out. We’re also becoming increasingly angry at BIL for allowing her to behave this way and cause all this hurt and upset, that will effect our wider family and children. He just protests he’s stuck in the middle and can’t make her change her mind and that she thinks we should count ourselves lucky she now even “allows” us to see or babysit our nephew!!

we were all invited to a family cook out this weekend. BIL had called ahead to see if we were going, we said we were undecided. He then said he needed to know as SIL wanted to go but would only do so if we were not, he then actively encouraged us not to go as he really wanted to go with his SIL. Well wife began to curse and shout calling SIL stubborn and ridiculous pointing out that if she was such a terrible person why was she asked to care for nephew when it suited them when what she had done was so terrible to receive such punishment of being cut off. This ended in the phone being hung up. We did not go, they did and had a lovely time according to Social media.

we’re at the point now where we can’t deal with this anymore and feel like cutting them out completely, washing our hands of them rather than keep trying to make allowances for SIL ridiculous behaviour hoping it will blow over. We’re angry at BIL for being so pathetic and her for being a stubborn heartless b*h for allowing this to ruin our close family. We have sent very “controlled” texts explaining our position, tgat we love Nephew and Wife shouted at him in the heat of the moment and lives him dearly and basically pleading for things to go back to how they were which have not been responded to.

AIBU, what should we do! My wife is devastated it’s come to this but SIL is digging her heals in and we don’t know why! The constant rejection from reaching out hurts and is now causing us to feel anger and resentment which we’re unlikely to be able to come back from if it doesn’t change soon. We think we shut cut ties and wait for them to come to us….but what if they don’t?!

OP posts:
RitaFires · 30/05/2023 07:34

Tots678 · 30/05/2023 07:09

Probably something underlying this - Did SIL really want a baby girl, but got a boy, Does she want a second child but is struggling to get pregnant, is there some other reason SIL is jealous of your DW?
She was probably already very sensitive about her DSon's behaviour before the shout happened.
Best not to engage in discussions with DBIL about who goes to what event. Just go along when you want to

I agree, the fact that this incident happened when OP's daughter was only 8 days old might indicate some kind of weird jealousy from the SIL.

Was nephew the only grandchild before DD was born? SIL might feel she's stolen her son's spotlight by existing.

I wouldn't be apologising or playing along with this nonsense any more. SIL is being completely unhinged. I would go to every family party and ignore her tantrums.

LittleOwl153 · 30/05/2023 07:35

Nephew is still very much a “hitter”, does not share or play well with others, my SIL has been called into kindergarten on numerous occasions due to kicking other children in the face, pinching and scratching. He also behaves like this towards our daughter when in our care but we are too scared scared to even tell him off

So your 1 year old daughter is still having to put up with being hit and kicked in her own home, because the adults meant to protect her are too scared to stand up to this bully? What the heck is that teaching her??

SIL clearly has a golden child, who is going to be a nightmare if he is never corrected, and BIL is prepared to allow that to continue to the detriment of his relationship with his family. I'd stop the dancing around, if you have nephew, or see him at events correct him if he bullies your child. Turn up to family events if she doesn't want to come SHE can explain why. But for heavens sake protect your daughter..!!!

willWillSmithsmith · 30/05/2023 07:35

SiL sounds unhinged. I’d be grateful she wasn’t speaking to me and I’d just carry on living my life, going to family events etc. Stop apologising or feeling you/your wife are in the wrong, you’re not. I’d have probably reacted exactly the same way except I wouldn’t be apologising I’d be making it clear their son needs to behave better and you’ll no longer be doing childcare. Your SiL isn’t anyone special so stop behaving as though she’s the boss of you.

Dibbydoos · 30/05/2023 07:39

Of course, your wife would shout at a toddler doing this. I think everyone else overreacted just because your DN cried.
Your DN needs better guidance if he's still doing it now, too. If no one can reason with him, he's def got a problem.
I personally would distance myself. Yes, your BIL needs to grow a pair, but he won't, so leave them to it. And stop pandering to their wants. Who are they. You show up when you want to do whatever event you want to go to. Don't avoid your family and friends because of her/them.
Good luck. I know it's tricky, but you need to do what's right for you.

YouJustDoYou · 30/05/2023 07:40

Your wife didn't overreact. Toddler nephew isn't used to being told no, and it always seems to be the way that parents who never tell off their kids get super overthetop offended if someone else does.

determinedtomakethiswork · 30/05/2023 07:41

You would have to be crazy to babysit for these people. They're clearly just using you. Your sister-in-law sounds nuts. Why would you want to be friends with her now? Go out as much as you can and reclaim those friends.

ChubbyMorticia · 30/05/2023 07:41

I don’t understand why you’re allowing your daughter to be bullied by your nephew. You make it clear that he hurts her and you’re too scared to do anything about it.

Quit worrying about your SIL, and focus on protecting your own kid.

BanditsOnTheHorizon · 30/05/2023 07:42

Your ds reacted perfectly normally for someone in her position when dn hit a few days old baby.

Your SIL & DB have blown this completely out of context. Carry on now as you normally would, stop looking after DN, and go to whatever family party is on, if invited and stop trying to build bridges. If SIL & DB doesn't want to talk or socialise with you, that's fine, but that's on them and if they don't want to see you, then they don't go to events, not you.

IWonderWhereThatDishDidGo · 30/05/2023 07:44

Yanbu. I'm sure the 16mo didn't really know what they were doing, but I'd expect someone to shout or physically restrain a toddler who was battering a newborn.

If she doesn't like you and doesn't want to speak to either of you that is her prerogative, but you absolutely should not be looking after their dc while they blank you. That's ridiculous

Jifmicroliquid · 30/05/2023 07:45

Stop babysitting the thug of a child. SIL sounds vile and her husband sounds like a bit of a wet wipe.
I’d tell them honestly why you are finding the situation so hard- that your wife didn’t mean to upset your nephew but she was upset at the baby being hit, but you can’t go on with this ridiculous behaviour from SIL a year later. Put the ball in their court and if she throws her toys out the pram, or continues to be off with you, then cut them off, nephew included. She sounds like she’s got issues and I certainly wouldn’t want some slap happy child around my baby.

Whatisityoucantface · 30/05/2023 07:45

SIL is a hypocrite if she allows you to babysit DN. There maybe more to this/ her reasons. You need an ultimatum here- tell them that the situation is ridiculous and upsetting and unless they’re (she is) willing to sit down discuss and resolve it you will be reducing contact with BIL and DN.

Watchinghurling · 30/05/2023 07:51

Stop babysitting for someone who isn't speaking to your wife. I would in my shite babysit for someone who wasn't speaking to me.

Guavafish1 · 30/05/2023 07:51

Just go no contact

WhyamIinahandcartandwherearewegoing · 30/05/2023 07:53

OrderOfTheKookaburra · 30/05/2023 04:14

I agree with stopping with the apologies. Also stop with the babysitting as favours. Go to EVERY single social event you can. Don't not go just so that she can go to some. She doesn't want to go if you're there? She can sit at home on her own.

100% this. Stop babysitting.

DemonicCaveMaggot · 30/05/2023 07:56

Why are you babysitting a child that hits and scratches when you aren't going to do anything to stop them hitting and scratching? That is so unfair to your DD and it doesn't help your nephew at all as you are only reinforcing the idea that hitting and scratching isn't that bad. Stop babysitting.

If your SIL decides she doesn't want anything to do with you, that is her choice. Go to family events as you normally would and she can choose not to attend. The ball is very much in her court. If anyone in the family says anything about the quarrel, let them know that you are willing to get past it and it is up to SIL, do not be the scapegoats for this.

IWonderWhereThatDishDidGo · 30/05/2023 07:56

Also, if I'm reading it right, op is missing her own family events because of her brother's wife, which sucks.

I don't like some of my in laws (for way better reason than the one in the op btw as I'm not a nut) but I would never expect them to not go to their own family's events. That's awful

ICalledYouLastNightFromGlasgow · 30/05/2023 08:03

Your BIL and SIL are being very daft.

  1. Stop babysitting.
  1. Continue to go to family events as normal, and if that includes being late on deciding if you're going or last minute changes of mind that's fine. If they are choosing to not interact with you any difficulties are on them.
  1. I'd write to them, explaining why you shouted, that you love their child and would like to resume family relationships. Explain that you don't think you should be babysitting while there's no contact.
  1. Hold your heads high and move on.
TequilaNights · 30/05/2023 08:03

Stop babysitting and continue to go to every single event your invited too.

Sil is enjoying the drama, so don't have any, ignore, she will have to learn to go without or get over it, because it's her problem to deal with, not yours.

Mamamess · 30/05/2023 08:05

Delphinium20 · 30/05/2023 03:44

So, DN hits newborn baby and your wife needs to apologize? That's backwards. How about, "I'm so sorry we didn't watch DN close enough. He shouldn't have hit baby."

SIL is batshit.

This exactly
they should of been absolutely mortified that their ds hit your newborn. Sil can’t be a nice person, who behaves like this? Just drive on with social events stop worrying about her.

FeetupTvon · 30/05/2023 08:06

Sounds as though your nephew needs to be told to stop hurting other children.
sadly, your SIL is teaching him that his behaviour is ok.
He will be a nightmare.

CannotDoThisAnymore · 30/05/2023 08:12

She picks up the kid, after youve babysat, without saying a word???? Wtf

id have to ask her why shes being a massive dick. Youve nothing to lose by the look of things

BreehyHinnyBrinnyHoohyHah · 30/05/2023 08:13

Sounds like SIL doesn't like nephew having any boundaries. It's clear that this is already causing problems given that they regularly have to pick him up from nursery.

Stop babysitting for them. Especially if you are unwilling to enforce boundaries to protect your child from being hit! You are setting an awful example to your own DC by doing this.

itsgettingweird · 30/05/2023 08:13

Stop having nephew. It's giving SIL more control.

If they ask if you're attending events just say "we haven't decided yet" and turn up if you want to.

IncompleteSenten · 30/05/2023 08:15

Stop apologising, stop babysitting and any event you want to go to - go to!
This is her problem. Let her carry on showing how ridiculous she is.

When it's raised by others, say oh yes, she hasn't spoken to us since I/my wife had to tell X off for hitting our newborn on her soft spot.

loislovesstewie · 30/05/2023 08:17

Just what everyone else has said. Why do you need to ask this question? Surely you can see she's batshit?

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