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Sister in law is causing a family rift over nothing

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Constantlyeyerolling · 30/05/2023 02:39

So a year ago when my DD was newborn (8 days old) we were visiting my wife’s brother and sister in law.
During the conversation my wife was cradling our daughter when her 16month old nephew toddled over to look at the baby, cue said nephew then hammerfisting our daughter hard to the top of her head and attempting to do it again. My wife, understandably in my opinion, yelled very loudly “NO,NO” and moved her nephew back away from the baby with her free hand. Nephew did not stumble or fall or was he hurt in any way but he began to cry at being told off and ran to his dad ( wife’s brother). I had not seen what had happened and her reaction made me jump, I was also quite shocked at how she yelled at nephew as she adores her nephew and I have never heard her shout at him before. I asked what the hell all the shouting was about and said there was no need to yelp out so loudly, she then angrily snapped at me stating nephew had just hit DD hard on her soft spot. I then understood why she had reacted the way she had out of panic and shock rather than any actual desire to upset nephew. She felt bad about yelling afterwards and apologised to her brother and explained why she reacted the way she did the following day.
SIL had been upstairs ant the time and came running down into the room to see what had happened. BIL explained and was telling Nephew off. Wife was consoling crying daughter and placing her in her stroller. SIL was not pleased at all by the look on her face although she did not say anything at the time but the atmosphere soured and we took it as our cue to say our goodbyes and leave.

SIL has never mentioned this incident to either of us again, mainly because since that day she has refused to even speak to us. We have heard via BIL that after we left SIL exploded stating we were not welcome in her house ever again and were to have no contact with nephew. BIL was upset by this and tried to explain why my wife over reacted and smooth things over however it has now been a year and she still refuses to budge, see sense or accept apologies.

my wife and her brother have tried to maintain there relationship for the sake of MIL and the children and eventually nephew does spend time with us, usually when SIL and BIL are stuck for babysitters and it suits them!! He stays over, comes out for play dates etc. Nephew is still very much a “hitter”, does not share or play well with others, my SIL has been called into kindergarten on numerous occasions due to kicking other children in the face, pinching and scratching. He also behaves like this towards our daughter when in our care but we are too scared scared to even tell him off for fear contact will be stopped altogether again as we love him and know he’s just learning and will grow out of it.

our issue is SIL still refuses to speak or have anything to do with my wife, she will collect Nephew from our house without speaking, if there is a family event she will refuse to attend and as BIL does not have his licence he will have to take a cab or can’t come if we try to arrange anything with just him. Family events and visits to in laws have to be structured to accommodate the rift.

prior to this we were very close, we would eat out together at least once a week, stop by each others houses regularly, days out and vacations would be taken together and thanksgiving / Christmas etc would be spent together. Their friends were ours and visa Versa, we were a very close unit. My wife and her SIL were never “best friends” but as we were so close to her brother ( he and I were friends prior to meeting my wife) and our eldest son worshiped the ground SIL walked on and she treated him like her own child we were always very grateful to have a lovely SIL.

wife and I expected this to eventually blow over when SIL eventually calmed down. There has never been a crossed word about it between SIL and my wife nor has it been discussed at all. we assumed she’d angrily shouted at BIL about it but was not angry enough to raise it with us therefore we left it between them to sort out as we are his family and they would come to a resolution.

we have tried to smooth things over with minimal fuss, offered lifts, tried to arrange 4th July and invited them both, mentioned casually that we were going out if they wanted to come along to show we’re not treating her behaviour as a big deal and want to just move on but we have been snubbed over and over again, she refuses to engage with us at all.

it’s now over a year and as our social lives are so intertwined it is now becoming beyond awkward and inconvenient to the point my wife and I are hurt and angry that she is causing this rift in the family and forcing friends to choose who to invite out. We’re also becoming increasingly angry at BIL for allowing her to behave this way and cause all this hurt and upset, that will effect our wider family and children. He just protests he’s stuck in the middle and can’t make her change her mind and that she thinks we should count ourselves lucky she now even “allows” us to see or babysit our nephew!!

we were all invited to a family cook out this weekend. BIL had called ahead to see if we were going, we said we were undecided. He then said he needed to know as SIL wanted to go but would only do so if we were not, he then actively encouraged us not to go as he really wanted to go with his SIL. Well wife began to curse and shout calling SIL stubborn and ridiculous pointing out that if she was such a terrible person why was she asked to care for nephew when it suited them when what she had done was so terrible to receive such punishment of being cut off. This ended in the phone being hung up. We did not go, they did and had a lovely time according to Social media.

we’re at the point now where we can’t deal with this anymore and feel like cutting them out completely, washing our hands of them rather than keep trying to make allowances for SIL ridiculous behaviour hoping it will blow over. We’re angry at BIL for being so pathetic and her for being a stubborn heartless b*h for allowing this to ruin our close family. We have sent very “controlled” texts explaining our position, tgat we love Nephew and Wife shouted at him in the heat of the moment and lives him dearly and basically pleading for things to go back to how they were which have not been responded to.

AIBU, what should we do! My wife is devastated it’s come to this but SIL is digging her heals in and we don’t know why! The constant rejection from reaching out hurts and is now causing us to feel anger and resentment which we’re unlikely to be able to come back from if it doesn’t change soon. We think we shut cut ties and wait for them to come to us….but what if they don’t?!

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Sunshineandseagulls · 30/05/2023 09:08

Also don't blame BIL, this is not his fault, he's not responsible for his wife's behaviour.

ReformedWaywardTeen · 30/05/2023 09:09

What annoys me from this is that you immediately, and without asking your wife first, got annoyed that she shouted at DN, asking what the hell all the shouting was about.

Sounds like all of you ganged up on a new mother who watched a violent kid potentially injure her newborn.

As for the in laws, go no contact. You are being used as a free babysitter service and it's risking your child as you feel you cannot tell this spoilt bratty kid off.

Why keep apologising for something that happened because they sound like shit parents who refuse to discipline or see that their child is violent and it's their responsibility to stop it. I feel for kids this brat has to be near.

FlamingoQueen · 30/05/2023 09:09

Could you send SIL a letter and just say that the shouting was an involuntary reaction to seeing their son hit your newborn on the top of her head? Could she imagine back to when she was a new parent and what if someone had hit her child on the head.
If she does not reply, then I would not do her any more babysitting favours (how on earth can she ignore you but trust you with her son) and then block them!
Perhaps she is just extremely embarrassed over her reaction and can’t face it! She obviously has no real issues with you or you would not be able to look after her son.

MrBlobbyWasTrulyAwful · 30/05/2023 09:10

There is more to this than the well deserved telling off.
I think maybe- you were friends with the brother, met and married your wife and SIL has always felt left out with no way of changing it because your lives are so linked in all ways.
I think she’s been building resentment about this for quite some time, this incident from her perspective therefore becomes the last straw.
sadly there is no getting past it, although if you explain it to BIL in these terms he might be able to smooth the waters so you can attend family events together. That is the best you can hope for here.

FrostyFifi · 30/05/2023 09:12

Why was your first response to shout at your poor wife?
You're being taken for a pair of mugs - stand up for her, stand up for yourselves and tell these people to fuck off.

Batalax · 30/05/2023 09:13

Stop looking after nephew and go to every single event. If they don't want to come they can exclude themselves and feel the natural consequences.

Shadowworry · 30/05/2023 09:15

ReformedWaywardTeen · 30/05/2023 09:09

What annoys me from this is that you immediately, and without asking your wife first, got annoyed that she shouted at DN, asking what the hell all the shouting was about.

Sounds like all of you ganged up on a new mother who watched a violent kid potentially injure her newborn.

As for the in laws, go no contact. You are being used as a free babysitter service and it's risking your child as you feel you cannot tell this spoilt bratty kid off.

Why keep apologising for something that happened because they sound like shit parents who refuse to discipline or see that their child is violent and it's their responsibility to stop it. I feel for kids this brat has to be near.

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Itsanotherhreatday · 30/05/2023 09:15

natural consequences

I agree with this - at no point has SIL had any natural consequences for her behaviour - you all pussy foot around her as if she’s the victim here - she wasn’t - your daughter was and still is.

LakeTiticaca · 30/05/2023 09:17

The thing that is most astonishing in all this is that you are actually providing child care for their undisciplined brat.
Why?????

Batalax · 30/05/2023 09:19

I also think it’s was a convenient excuse for sil to stop contact. You were really close - perhaps far too close in her opinion.

HoIIy · 30/05/2023 09:21

Cut them, fuck them. If they don't come back it's their loss.

SpidersAreShitheads · 30/05/2023 09:31

Itsanotherhreatday · 30/05/2023 09:15

natural consequences

I agree with this - at no point has SIL had any natural consequences for her behaviour - you all pussy foot around her as if she’s the victim here - she wasn’t - your daughter was and still is.

Absolutely this.

The natural consequences are:

they don’t get to use you as a babysitter when they need one

they have to sit out group family events if they can’t come along and be civil

everyone else sees their unreasonable behaviour and stops painting them as innocent victims.

From now on, you don’t fit out family events. You accept every invitation you can - make an extra effort. If they choose to self exclude, that’s on them. But they need to feel the consequences of their actions - and it might make the brother grow a backbone if he starts to feel out in the cold.

And you do all this with smiles and complete innocence - you just enjoy spending time with your family/friends, right? 😘 If that means they can’t go, well, that’s a shame but that’s their choice…..

Mikimoto · 30/05/2023 09:31

Oh, and organise a MASSIVE ott party for your child's next party, and make sure it's well publicised...

Feraldogmum · 30/05/2023 09:33

What a first class bitch SIL is. The woman is clearly on a power trip and it begs the question,did you really know her well before? It seems to me that this is you getting the real her. Stop babysitting,stop desperately trying to sort things out,you’re just playing right into her hands.
Tell BIL and SIL that due to their child’s violent and unchecked behaviour ,you no longer feel you can safely have him around your child,that you know there is an issue with him larger than your relationship but whilst they refuse to acknowledge this,their child will pose a threat.
This woman is totally in the wrong,had your nephew seriously injured your newborn they would have been answering questions in a police station. You might mention this to them along with the hope that you are not called upon for information in the future if their little darling seriously injuries another child.
As for not going to events,don’t bow to her childish and manipulative behaviour .BIL will have to grow a pair if he wants a social life, and if she digs her heels in,least you won’t have to deal with her frosty,pathetic behaviour.

HowcanIgetoutofthisalive · 30/05/2023 09:34

STOP

  • with the apologies,
  • with the explanations,
  • with the hand wringing of having upset (nuts) SIL,
  • with the fact that your social life is being curtailed by that bat-shit woman and her pathetic grudge!

Cut them loose. Enjoy social events with friends/family without worrying about her. If BIL (your wife's brother) wants to join in with these events, then that's down to him to organise/arrange, not you. You've explained/apologised many times already so enough is enough. If the SIL can't be big enough to accept the apology and move on, that's her issue that she needs to sort.

Honestly, life is too short to cut your own enjoyment at the price of pleasing her.

BeverlyHa · 30/05/2023 09:34

If I was your wife, I would stop the contact with that other entitled and her badly behaved son immediately, not waiting for her to do it.

HowcanIgetoutofthisalive · 30/05/2023 09:34

Oh, and definitely stop with the babysitting!!! christ on a bike; just stop with that. She can find alternative bloody babysitters.

SeasonFinale · 30/05/2023 09:35

Hal9001 · 30/05/2023 04:05

Are you a lesbian couple?

This matters why?

nauticant · 30/05/2023 09:36

You're (to some degree) enabling the behaviour of your SIL and blaming this on your BIL.

Lampzade · 30/05/2023 09:40

Stop babysitting
Go to all events
If you see her at these events ignore her,

Lampzade · 30/05/2023 09:41

HowcanIgetoutofthisalive · 30/05/2023 09:34

STOP

  • with the apologies,
  • with the explanations,
  • with the hand wringing of having upset (nuts) SIL,
  • with the fact that your social life is being curtailed by that bat-shit woman and her pathetic grudge!

Cut them loose. Enjoy social events with friends/family without worrying about her. If BIL (your wife's brother) wants to join in with these events, then that's down to him to organise/arrange, not you. You've explained/apologised many times already so enough is enough. If the SIL can't be big enough to accept the apology and move on, that's her issue that she needs to sort.

Honestly, life is too short to cut your own enjoyment at the price of pleasing her.

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Opaque11 · 30/05/2023 09:43

Clementinesucks · 30/05/2023 03:36

For gods sake stop looking after their kid! They are both nuts

This and stop acting like doormats and allowing this crazy woman to behave like that. Yes you and your wife are completely enabling her. Stop. Stop looking after a child who hits your child FFs! Why are you so desperate to please get that you are allowing this. She is blatantly using you and both of you are standing there accepting the crumbs that she's throwing you.

olympicsrock · 30/05/2023 09:49

Not a single person here has said that you should continue to try with them.

You need a frank conversation with the brother
“We love you but this cannot continue. My wife did nothing wrong. We have tried to smooth things over by apologising even though she did nothing wrong and help you by babysitting even though SIL is incredibly rude to ignore wife.

We will no longer be babysitting or staying at home to avoid you. Please don’t ask us to. The ball is in your court. We will always be here if you want to make things right. “

Write a letter if the conversation is too difficult to have.

WonderingWanda · 30/05/2023 09:56

Your sil is being ridiculous, your wife told him to stop doing something which was reasonable. It sounds like in her protective newborn mother mode she may have been a little abrupt and loud but that won't have caused any lasting damage and reasonable mother would have been able to accept the apology and let it go. Your sil clearly has her own issues and is using this as a way to control her dh and manipulate him away from his family. Have your inlaws not had anything to say on the matter? She wouldn't be welcome in my house unless she stopped making such a mountain out of a molehill.

DemonicCaveMaggot · 30/05/2023 09:56

Jinglybangly
That was a lot of words for very little information, I assume you are American.

I am happy to break the news to you that blathering on about absolutely nothing is also a British trait. If it is an American trait too it was probably brought over by the original British colonists.