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To think that I am not being transphobic

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Ijustneedtime · 25/05/2023 13:42

Few weeks ago my DB told me out the blue that she started hormone therapy to become a female.
It was a shock. She is 30 yo and married to a woman, i was 100% not expecting that.
I have many questions, but i reacted in the most positive way, showing support and understanding.
But there are a lot of things i am not ready for. I am not ready to tell this to my kids. I am not ready to tell this to husband and his family because i know they will not understand. I am not ready to go against my parents to fight for this.
I know i could be better, but from a certain perspective i am still digesting everything. I occasionally still use her old name, or use the masculine. I am not ready to call her Sister.
I am struggling and while she is followed by therapists and support, i am by myself with no one to talk to.

She wrote me a messagge yesterday saying how disappointed she was by me. That my support was fake. That i am a transphobic person and i just want to give this fake nice appearance, and i am the worst disappointment.

I just need time. Or maybe i am really that bad and cannot admit it?

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Curiouspotatoze · 25/05/2023 14:45

TastesLikeStrawberriesOnASummerEvening · 25/05/2023 14:43

If they feel they are in the wrong body they need psychological help, the OP doesn't need to be gaslighted or lie to her children to "do better", that's horrific involving children in a man's fetish.
WTF?

Fetish? Seriously. I have no words.

Damnspot · 25/05/2023 14:45

piedbeauty · 25/05/2023 14:36

Would you? Do you have teens? They are perfectly likely to think you are a bigot and a dinosaur. If you are happy with that then fine but it's not quite as easy as you think.

Not mine. My teens know perfectly well that you can't change sex, @Damnspot. And they are shit hot at supporting women's rights.

Well it takes all sorts.

Curiouspotatoze · 25/05/2023 14:46

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nosunshinewhenshesgone · 25/05/2023 14:46

OP... who are you talking to? No one? I think you need to speak to someone about this.

Before you were told the news, you had a DB. Someone you'd known all your life. Now, you don't anymore. You have someone else standing in his place and she wants to be your DSis. She's a lot like him, but she's also not, and that's a massive, massive shock.

You're allowed to grieve the loss of a brother whilst also trying to build a relationship with a new sister.

I'm not sure when your sibling first realised she would be happier as a she, but she's had a lot more time than you to wrap her head around this. I don't think it's unsupportive to point that out, and to say that whilst you love her and want her to be happy, you need some time to process her news.

I wonder if you're afraid to tell your DH because deep down, you suspect he won't take it well and you're worried about taking sides.

You might find it helpful to speak to a third party with no skin in the game first, before getting ready to tell someone who 'matters' to you.

Pluvia · 25/05/2023 14:47

Rather than going on the defensive with any replies, could you say, “I’m sorry that’s how you feel. Can you help me to understand how I can be more supportive?”

So if he was anorexic would you support him in that? If he'd said he's joined the Scientologists, would you support him in that? You don't have to support everyone in everything they think they want. Go and google autogynephilia: it's a sexual paraphilia and it's quite likely your brother has been watching sissy porn and has caught it — there's a lot of it around at the moment.

ilovesooty · 25/05/2023 14:48

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Thank you
The OP isn't transphobic but loads of the responses are, in my opinion.

ThorThumb · 25/05/2023 14:48

I think it can be helpful to think about if your sibling had told you they were gay rather than trans.

No. Being trans is nothing like being gay. Being trans relies on others accepting a lie.
Humans can’t change sex, it’s hugely gaslighting to expect anyone else to accept that they can.

Everyone is entitled to live their lives as they wish, but no one can expect validation from everyone.
Any movement that expects others to be educated against science and logic, to believe in the illogical, is rotten to the core.

Damnspot · 25/05/2023 14:49

Fuck me. I agree with the poster who said the OP may not be transphobic but this thread has sure attracted those who are.

TastesLikeStrawberriesOnASummerEvening · 25/05/2023 14:49

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*people who believe in reality and won't lie to children.

PurpleBugz · 25/05/2023 14:50

You are not transphobic. That's a common thing said to people who question or disagree. Phobia is fear or hate.

I would suggest doing a bit of research on trans ideology and the opposing gender critical ideology.

Personally I'm gender critical. Sex and gender are not the same. You can't change your sex. Gender ideology is sexist. The trans movement is homophobic. These are my beliefs and i feel there is ample evidence to support them. Anyone learning about this stuff must absolutely do their own research and reading because it's so emotive lots of what you are told is skewed. There is an amazing feminism sex and gender discussion board on Mumsnet you can learn a lot there to start.

I would also reach out to your sister in law. I expect she's having a very hard time. I would be concerned about her and how she is being treated if you simply needing time is called transphobic what is she living with?

Please don't tell your kids men can become women until you have done your reading in the safeguarding concerns for children with trans ideology.

Good luck op I found a lot of what I read researching this stuff very difficult to read.

Hold fast to yourself. Needing time and having your own feelings not immediately capitulating yourself is not transphobic

Helleofabore · 25/05/2023 14:50

Some excellent answers here.

Rinkydinkydoodle · 25/05/2023 14:51

Sounds like your sister is struggling and lashing out at a vulnerable time, by the time-honoured family method of being really unpleasant to someone she loves and trusts who is doing their best.

She could stand to take a breath and consider that she’s lived with this information a lot longer than you have, and she has had a lot more time to come to terms with that information.

The transphobic accusation is a red herring, which I wouldn’t dignify with a denial. You are understandably worried about extended family fall-out from this, and as an adult who lives in the world, your sister should know that reactions may not be uniformly positive and encouraging. The reasons for that can be as varied as the people involved and may be little or nothing to do with transphobia- case in point, you. It’s not fear or loathing of her, or of transpeople, it’s fear and loathing of conflict. Family reactions aren’t controllable by either of you, but will have consequences for both of you. Your DH’s family won’t be near the top of her list of things to care about, however, it’s very relevant to you.

I’d be inclined to say to her that while I support her right to exercise her choice, want her to be fulfilled and happy and love her very much, I am also a person with my own life and concerns and cannot be commanded to react according to someone else’s wishes or timescale. Presumably your sister knows first-hand how it feels to be put under pressure by the expectations of others.

That said, other adults’ reactions aren’t your responsibility either. You don’t need to ‘go against your parents to fight for this.’ Her transition is a fact, regardless of what they think, and they don’t have the right to control your interactions, nor influence your relationship.

Like other PPs, I’d say there’s no real percentage in keeping it a secret. You are entitled to love and support your sister as you see fit, and no-one gets to say otherwise. You don’t all have to agree. If ILs or DH or your parents can’t accept that you’re okay with it, that’s really their problem to solve, not yours.

As to your kids, they will likely be less perturbed than you think, and a brief age-appropriate explanation will hopefully be fine. I don’t know if you’re in the UK but I have a little kid who has known ‘sometimes people change from a man to a woman or a woman to a man’ for so long I can’t remember when we first discussed it. Your sister’s story is comparatively common now, and the concept has been societally normalised for kids. The likelihood is they will have trans peers either now or in the future, and the less fuss made of it the better for them as well - I’d point that out to anyone who’s openly hostile about your sister’s choices in front of the kids as well.

Beowulfa · 25/05/2023 14:52

Can we please stop with the "beeee kind to those born in the wrong body" shit. Would you tell someone with Downs they were born in the wrong body? Totally offensive notion.

If my brother announced he was now a woman (after I'd stopped laughing- hulking great bloke with a black beard) I'd either use he/him pronouns or none at all. No fucking way would I force myself into Orwellian Doublethink and pretend I actually had a sister.

No comparison with a brother coming out as gay. His being gay wouldn't require me to police my language, or rewrite my entire childhood history.

JoDolce · 25/05/2023 14:52

@Thatsplentyjack I agree with everything said here. Why do so many men transitioning to women keep bleating that we're transphobic just because we use the wrong pro-noun, or you take time getting used to the fact they're changing sex. You don't hear the women who become men going on & on about it, they just get on with it.
It's so in your face all the time, it's all you ever hear. Wish they'd just shut the f* up, get on with their lives quietly, & show some consideration to their families. His poor wife has got to get used to not having a husband any more, if they have dc they've got to get used to not having a father & likewise you have got to get used to not having a brother. He seems to be all me, me, me. Like a pp said, being a woman takes more than just hormones, & respect works both ways. Tell him to show some!

Swrigh1234 · 25/05/2023 14:53

He sounds like a self absorbed attention seeker. Stop pandering to him OP.

nosunshinewhenshesgone · 25/05/2023 14:54

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Naunet · 25/05/2023 14:55

Curiouspotatoze · 25/05/2023 14:39

I don’t think you’re being transphobic, OP. It’s great you recognise you can do better. This is going to be a tough journey for both parties.

What IS transphobic is the amount of responses stating “him” (etc) , it’s disgraceful. I pray no one close to those posters ever feels as if they are in the wrong body.

Mumsnet isn’t the best place to get true perspective on this, OP. The majority of comments will not help your relationship or understanding.

Oh boohoo, talk about first world problems. He’s being correctly sexed, that’s all, there’s no such thing as being in the wrong body.

MariaVT65 · 25/05/2023 14:55

I’d definitely agree with the poster above that said check on your SIL. If your DB has lashed out to you this easily, I would fear for what your SIL and potentially their children are going through at home.

Ijustneedtime · 25/05/2023 14:55

So many messages! I am with DC now but I will come back to reply to all later.

The reason why i am not telling DH is because i know he will be very against it and he will tell me to cut contact. He is already not very happy with DB for other reasons, he does not like DB very much personality wise.

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TastesLikeStrawberriesOnASummerEvening · 25/05/2023 14:55

JoDolce · 25/05/2023 14:52

@Thatsplentyjack I agree with everything said here. Why do so many men transitioning to women keep bleating that we're transphobic just because we use the wrong pro-noun, or you take time getting used to the fact they're changing sex. You don't hear the women who become men going on & on about it, they just get on with it.
It's so in your face all the time, it's all you ever hear. Wish they'd just shut the f* up, get on with their lives quietly, & show some consideration to their families. His poor wife has got to get used to not having a husband any more, if they have dc they've got to get used to not having a father & likewise you have got to get used to not having a brother. He seems to be all me, me, me. Like a pp said, being a woman takes more than just hormones, & respect works both ways. Tell him to show some!

Because AGP needs to involve women for it to work.
We are used in men's fetish behaviour against our will.
The younger you teach it to children, the better too because they will accept it.

Naunet · 25/05/2023 14:56

Damnspot · 25/05/2023 14:49

Fuck me. I agree with the poster who said the OP may not be transphobic but this thread has sure attracted those who are.

I’m sorry you find reality transphobic.

ThorThumb · 25/05/2023 14:57

The fetish aspect is often unsayable.
Autogynephilia explains many men’s desire to transition, and is backed up by the wives and children affected by this. And backed up well and truly when you read TW accounts of why they transitioned.
When teen girls transition it’s nearly always because they have underlying issues - mainly autism, abuse and mental illness.
We should all be able to dress however we wish and live in a way that makes us happy and comfortable, whilst still respecting others needs.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 25/05/2023 14:58

Like other PPs, I’d say there’s no real percentage in keeping it a secret. You are entitled to love and support your sister as you see fit, and no-one gets to say otherwise.

The OP and anyone else in her situation is also entitled to the belief that her sibling is not her sister too if they so choose.

ThorThumb · 25/05/2023 15:00

I think it's a commonly known truth that the vast majority of MNers are transphobic. It makes me wonder why the OP chose to ask for support here...

Because MN is actually supportive to women in these situations. Telling us to be kind and believe the crap that these men are telling us is anything but supportive.

This is a men’s rights movement, the sooner women see it for what it is, the better.

TastesLikeStrawberriesOnASummerEvening · 25/05/2023 15:01

ThorThumb · 25/05/2023 14:57

The fetish aspect is often unsayable.
Autogynephilia explains many men’s desire to transition, and is backed up by the wives and children affected by this. And backed up well and truly when you read TW accounts of why they transitioned.
When teen girls transition it’s nearly always because they have underlying issues - mainly autism, abuse and mental illness.
We should all be able to dress however we wish and live in a way that makes us happy and comfortable, whilst still respecting others needs.

I wish it was talked about more as it explains so much, and once you see it, you can't unsee it.