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Parent & Child -v- Disabled Parking Bays?

493 replies

Lambstails · 24/05/2023 15:31

Hello,

Firstly, I feel the need to apologise for posting on here, but I'm genuinely interested in the view of any parents or other guardians of children who use dedicated parent and child spaces. The reason for my apology being that I am not, and have never unfortunately been a parent myself - this was not a lifestyle choice.

I am however, registered disabled and in receipt of the higher mobility rate of PIP which automatically entitles me to use a blue badge. The nature of my condition means that some (very few) days I am quite capable of parking in a 'normal' bay if there is one available relatively close to where I need to be, but most days I HAVE to use a wider bay to get myself in and out of my car, together with my wheeled walker. On days where I can cope ok with just a walking stick, and where there's a regular space available close enough, I steer clear of the blue badge bays, preferring to leave them for people who have no option but to use them. I also would like to add (as it's relevant further down) that my 85 year old Mother is also registered disabled (we have the same congenital spinal condition). My Mum is also sadly now in palliative care for terminal cancer and she cannot walk more than about 10 metres, so is a wheelchair user. She is rarely well enough to leave the house, but on hers and mine 'better' days, I do try and get her out for an hour or so.

A month or so ago, I was able to take Mum out and parked at a local retail park where the ratio of blue badge spaces to parent and child spaces is about 8/15 in the P&C space's favour (I find this bewildering, to be honest). There were no BB spaces free, but plenty of P&C bays were unused. I therefore parked in one and ensured my blue badge was displayed. Fast forward to when we returned to my car, having pushed Mum around the shop for 5 minutes or so, got her out of her wheelchair, into the car and the wheelchair in the boot, I was about on my knees myself. I cannot describe how difficult this is sometimes, for both of us. Anyway, before I could get myself in the car, a furious woman came over to me and lambasted me for parking in a P&C space. She was also parked in one next to me (with her suspiciously tall teenage children in the back). I tried to explain that there were no blue badge spaces free at the time we parked but she called me all sorts of unrepeatable names and "a lazy b*tch" to boot. I pointed out that she and her 'children' looked quite capable of walking, she didn't have a pushchair or pram and that my Mum cannot walk, which she clearly could see with the difficulty getting her into the car, but she was having none of it. I decided to then ignore her and just leave, she was the sort of person there was going to be no reasoning with and being yelled and sworn out in a public car park isn't really for me.

I put this out of my mind and today went to the car park to pick up some items for Mum from Boots. Once again, there were no BB spaces free and around a dozen P&C spaces unoccupied. Today is a 'bad' day - I am in a lot of pain and walking more than a few steps at a time is difficult and I needed my walker. So I reluctantly parked in a P&C space, knowing that I would be little more than 5 minutes to pick up some medication. And yes, once again when I returned to my car, there was a young Mum waiting for me by her car (parked next to me). And yes, once again I received a berating. This lady was a different model to the previous angry woman - she politely asked me if I was aware I had parked in a P&C space - I was completely honest and said yes, hence why I had displayed my blue badge. Maybe I should have lied and pleaded ignorance, as at this point she changed - having ascertained I had knowingly parked here, she promptly called me selfish and said she was off to find a security officer to report me and my selfishness. The source of her fury seemed to be that she said she wouldn't dream of parking in a BB bay if all the P&C spaces were full. I pointed out that she has a choice whether to walk a little further or not, I usually don't. I suggested she maybe should have considered this before deciding whether to have children, if it was to become so important to her, she said it's nothing to do with not wanting to walk, and everything to do with the safety of parents and their children, apparently it isn't safe for a Mother to be pushing a young baby in a pram around a busy car park. The way my legs operate most days, I wouldn't be particularly safe walking on bubble wrap!

I am more distressed, rattled and upset about these two incidents than I probably should be. With my own middle age, the impending mortality of both my parents, together with both my nieces recently having had their first babies, perhaps my own child-free status is playing on my mind at the moment, although I don't think I am the 'woe is me' type. I am not an unhappy, bitter old bag (honestly!) - I've got a fantastic husband, and a great job; I've had a lot in my life to be so very thankful for. Children of our own would have been the icing on the cake, but it's never been the be-all and end-all. On both occasions, whilst being sweetly polite to these women, more than anything I wanted to scream at them to be damn thankful for what they've got and just go and enjoy it. Having a blue badge is not a choice for me, to have had children would have been - that's how I see the difference.

I really would like to get some opinions on this emotive subject, more to try and understand the perspective of these two women. I have no idea if P&C spaces are 'legal' spaces as are BB bays, but even if they are, if there are dozens of them available and not being used, what is the real harm of a BB holder using one? I'm not convinced that P&C spaces aren't actually a marketing ploy conjured up by the retailers, as typically these spaces now tend to be nearer shops' entrances than actual BB ones!

I'm interested in all opinions, particularly those that can put a different spin on this and make me see it from the point of view of these two women. One of my 'new Mum' nieces has joined in the attack on me - she too believes that I have acted selfishly and reiterated how difficult it is to get baby/child seats out of a car without sufficient space around them. I do understand that. But thinking about it, if the situation was reversed and BB spaces were available where P&C ones weren't, I doubt very much I would begrudge a parent or guardian parking in one if it was obvious they needed to!

(I've just realised how long this post is, apologies if you made it this far down and are still with me 😂)

Thanks,

Beatrix x

OP posts:
Minihippyme89 · 24/05/2023 15:33

You’re not in the wrong.

Threeleafclover · 24/05/2023 15:36

I'm sorry you had such unpleasant experiences recently, I have a one year old and always use P&C spaces where I can because of the wider spacing rather than the proximity to the shop but I would never in a million years have confronted someone without a child who was clearly struggling and displaying a blue badge. I really think some people need to use some common sense and look at the bigger picture.

LlynTegid · 24/05/2023 15:36

Parent and child bays are not a legal requirement, but a sop to local authorities so those building retail parks and damaging the high street try to look good.

Not that the behaviour towards you was in any way acceptable.

Sweepies · 24/05/2023 15:37

To me, disabled parking should be prioritized over P&C places, you did nothing wrong and some people are just melts.

HecticHedgehog · 24/05/2023 15:39

It's irritating when people without children use parent and baby spaces but someone with a disability who can't get in a blue badge space is perfectly fine to use one and should do so if necessary imo.

Justalittlebitmore · 24/05/2023 15:40

They are being entitled twats.

Disability trumps P&C.

CMOTDibbler · 24/05/2023 15:40

You are absolutely not in the wrong. My dad had a blue badge and was told by the parking officer at his local supermarket that if the nearest space to the entrance was P&C that he should absolutely park there as the blue badge entitled him to park in any space there. When a loathsome woman shouted at him (and he was very obviously very ill) for parking in a P&C space she got banned from the supermarket.

Wenfy · 24/05/2023 15:40

P&C spaces are curtesy spaces only. Anyone can use them and most supermarkets advised disabled people with / without BB to use them. If I were you I would make a complaint to the shop, say the last two times you were harassed by people for using P&C spaces and could someone please put some verbiage up to clarify who should / shouldn’t be using them. When I complained similarly to our local waitrose the manager seemingly got permission, overnight, to move all the P&C spaces to the very back of the carpark. And instantly it seemed the lazy bitches who couldn’t carry their pfps without a p&c space suddenly managed just fine in a normal one lol. Our local costco only has no P&C spaces now - they said priority is and will always be disabled spacesZ

Brendabigbaps · 24/05/2023 15:40

i always thought it was common knowledge that blue badge wins over p&c.

Waspie · 24/05/2023 15:40

You have a blue badge. You can park in whichever parking space you like. Tell them to piss off. If they continue to harass you, phone the police.

MrsMiagi · 24/05/2023 15:43

I would always say disabled parking trumps parent and child parking. I am a parent

Hillarious · 24/05/2023 15:45

Should have just identified who the parent and who the child was in your car and ignored them.

The problem is they shouldn't put P&C spaces so close to the store. Better if they were in the far corner, with a clear footpath to the store. When my kids were younger, I only ever wanted to have space to open the doors wide. I didn't need to be close to the store.

As a BB holder, I do park in the disabled spaces at my local station when dropping off and collecting visitors arriving by train. There are two dozen disabled spaces by the station and the hotel and just two drop off spaces at a station with no reliable public transport for onward travel or taxi rank. The short stay car park is a ten minute walk away.

BonesAndStones · 24/05/2023 15:45

Waspie · 24/05/2023 15:40

You have a blue badge. You can park in whichever parking space you like. Tell them to piss off. If they continue to harass you, phone the police.

This is blunt but true, inasmuch as most car parks at shopping centres and supermarkets clearly state that Blue Badge holders can park in P&C spaces if there are no disabled spaces available or they otherwise need to.

And yes, report the harassment to the store manager(s) / security. Tell the stupid parents to piss off. Film them or photograph their registration numbers.

Hillarious · 24/05/2023 15:47

Hillarious · 24/05/2023 15:45

Should have just identified who the parent and who the child was in your car and ignored them.

The problem is they shouldn't put P&C spaces so close to the store. Better if they were in the far corner, with a clear footpath to the store. When my kids were younger, I only ever wanted to have space to open the doors wide. I didn't need to be close to the store.

As a BB holder, I do park in the disabled spaces at my local station when dropping off and collecting visitors arriving by train. There are two dozen disabled spaces by the station and the hotel and just two drop off spaces at a station with no reliable public transport for onward travel or taxi rank. The short stay car park is a ten minute walk away.

That should have read "non-BB holder"

Tangfastic91 · 24/05/2023 15:47

You were not in the wrong! I'm sorry you had that experience.

I'm a mum of a young toddler (not quite mobile yet) and was once in a car park where someone took the last PC space, it was an elderly gentleman who I think didn't realize (lots of BB spaces left) and I STILL didn't say anything. Disability trumps trying to wrestle a baby out of a car without damaging the next door neighbour. It was tricky, I had to place the door against the next car, but I managed. Can't believe these women said anything to you! And don't get me started on the parents that use the PC spaces for preteens who no longer use car seats! Ugh.

Megifer · 24/05/2023 15:47

You don't need to understand their perspective. They are arseholes of the highest order and im sorry they made you feel like this.

On bad days my mum can't walk very well at all without her walker and even then it takes us about 1.5 hours to get around the supermarket. I park in P&C spaces then and give no shits if it means a mummy has to park a bit further away. Tough tits.

BettyOBarley · 24/05/2023 15:48

BonesAndStones · 24/05/2023 15:45

This is blunt but true, inasmuch as most car parks at shopping centres and supermarkets clearly state that Blue Badge holders can park in P&C spaces if there are no disabled spaces available or they otherwise need to.

And yes, report the harassment to the store manager(s) / security. Tell the stupid parents to piss off. Film them or photograph their registration numbers.

Totally agree.

How entitled must you have to be to confront someone with a blue badge (and I say that as a parent of two young children). I wouldn't bloody dream of it, you did nothing wrong at all.

Krustykrabpizza · 24/05/2023 15:48

You've done nothing wrong except be unfortunate enough to come across some utter cunts. I use p&c spaces if they're available but just use a normal space if not, I can't understand why people make such a big deal of them

TallulahBetty · 24/05/2023 15:49

I don't think anyone would have an issue with a BB holder using a P+C bay if needed. Well, except the CF you ran into.

justasoul · 24/05/2023 15:49

BB holders can park anywhere they like. Let them call security next time and they will be told Wink

EggInANest · 24/05/2023 15:49

OP, you have done the right thing and I wonder what entitlement gene these horrible people have.

You know you are in the right so if it happens again keep very calm, and just say I am a BB holder, if you think I shouldn’t be in the space please do go and seek the advice of security / customer services. And keep repeating it. Don’t engage in slanging matches about disability or having children.

I am sorry you have been subjected to this kind of selfish aggression and hope it doesn’t happen again.

TallulahBetty · 24/05/2023 15:51

Megifer · 24/05/2023 15:47

You don't need to understand their perspective. They are arseholes of the highest order and im sorry they made you feel like this.

On bad days my mum can't walk very well at all without her walker and even then it takes us about 1.5 hours to get around the supermarket. I park in P&C spaces then and give no shits if it means a mummy has to park a bit further away. Tough tits.

It's not how close they are to the store, it's the wide spaces. But totally agree with the rest of your post.

BeanCounterBabe · 24/05/2023 15:51

Don’t apologise and suggest they can talk to security if they aren’t happy. You are not in the wrong here.

gallina · 24/05/2023 15:51

I rely on p&c bays as I have two under two, and lower back problems. I can't open the door wide enough each side to get my kids out of the car in a normal bay.

However, I wouldn't begrudge that space being used by a bb holder, what does get right on my tits is when they're taken up by blatantly lazy people who've parked in them for no other reason than it being closer - no kids in sight!

Daffodilmorning · 24/05/2023 15:51

You’re not in the wrong at all. I have a 2 year old and a baby, yes it’s difficult to get both out in a normal size bay… but not as hard as it is for you (or anyone else with similarly limited mobility).

The people who confronted you are arseholes, please please don’t listen to them Flowers.

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