Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Parent & Child -v- Disabled Parking Bays?

493 replies

Lambstails · 24/05/2023 15:31

Hello,

Firstly, I feel the need to apologise for posting on here, but I'm genuinely interested in the view of any parents or other guardians of children who use dedicated parent and child spaces. The reason for my apology being that I am not, and have never unfortunately been a parent myself - this was not a lifestyle choice.

I am however, registered disabled and in receipt of the higher mobility rate of PIP which automatically entitles me to use a blue badge. The nature of my condition means that some (very few) days I am quite capable of parking in a 'normal' bay if there is one available relatively close to where I need to be, but most days I HAVE to use a wider bay to get myself in and out of my car, together with my wheeled walker. On days where I can cope ok with just a walking stick, and where there's a regular space available close enough, I steer clear of the blue badge bays, preferring to leave them for people who have no option but to use them. I also would like to add (as it's relevant further down) that my 85 year old Mother is also registered disabled (we have the same congenital spinal condition). My Mum is also sadly now in palliative care for terminal cancer and she cannot walk more than about 10 metres, so is a wheelchair user. She is rarely well enough to leave the house, but on hers and mine 'better' days, I do try and get her out for an hour or so.

A month or so ago, I was able to take Mum out and parked at a local retail park where the ratio of blue badge spaces to parent and child spaces is about 8/15 in the P&C space's favour (I find this bewildering, to be honest). There were no BB spaces free, but plenty of P&C bays were unused. I therefore parked in one and ensured my blue badge was displayed. Fast forward to when we returned to my car, having pushed Mum around the shop for 5 minutes or so, got her out of her wheelchair, into the car and the wheelchair in the boot, I was about on my knees myself. I cannot describe how difficult this is sometimes, for both of us. Anyway, before I could get myself in the car, a furious woman came over to me and lambasted me for parking in a P&C space. She was also parked in one next to me (with her suspiciously tall teenage children in the back). I tried to explain that there were no blue badge spaces free at the time we parked but she called me all sorts of unrepeatable names and "a lazy b*tch" to boot. I pointed out that she and her 'children' looked quite capable of walking, she didn't have a pushchair or pram and that my Mum cannot walk, which she clearly could see with the difficulty getting her into the car, but she was having none of it. I decided to then ignore her and just leave, she was the sort of person there was going to be no reasoning with and being yelled and sworn out in a public car park isn't really for me.

I put this out of my mind and today went to the car park to pick up some items for Mum from Boots. Once again, there were no BB spaces free and around a dozen P&C spaces unoccupied. Today is a 'bad' day - I am in a lot of pain and walking more than a few steps at a time is difficult and I needed my walker. So I reluctantly parked in a P&C space, knowing that I would be little more than 5 minutes to pick up some medication. And yes, once again when I returned to my car, there was a young Mum waiting for me by her car (parked next to me). And yes, once again I received a berating. This lady was a different model to the previous angry woman - she politely asked me if I was aware I had parked in a P&C space - I was completely honest and said yes, hence why I had displayed my blue badge. Maybe I should have lied and pleaded ignorance, as at this point she changed - having ascertained I had knowingly parked here, she promptly called me selfish and said she was off to find a security officer to report me and my selfishness. The source of her fury seemed to be that she said she wouldn't dream of parking in a BB bay if all the P&C spaces were full. I pointed out that she has a choice whether to walk a little further or not, I usually don't. I suggested she maybe should have considered this before deciding whether to have children, if it was to become so important to her, she said it's nothing to do with not wanting to walk, and everything to do with the safety of parents and their children, apparently it isn't safe for a Mother to be pushing a young baby in a pram around a busy car park. The way my legs operate most days, I wouldn't be particularly safe walking on bubble wrap!

I am more distressed, rattled and upset about these two incidents than I probably should be. With my own middle age, the impending mortality of both my parents, together with both my nieces recently having had their first babies, perhaps my own child-free status is playing on my mind at the moment, although I don't think I am the 'woe is me' type. I am not an unhappy, bitter old bag (honestly!) - I've got a fantastic husband, and a great job; I've had a lot in my life to be so very thankful for. Children of our own would have been the icing on the cake, but it's never been the be-all and end-all. On both occasions, whilst being sweetly polite to these women, more than anything I wanted to scream at them to be damn thankful for what they've got and just go and enjoy it. Having a blue badge is not a choice for me, to have had children would have been - that's how I see the difference.

I really would like to get some opinions on this emotive subject, more to try and understand the perspective of these two women. I have no idea if P&C spaces are 'legal' spaces as are BB bays, but even if they are, if there are dozens of them available and not being used, what is the real harm of a BB holder using one? I'm not convinced that P&C spaces aren't actually a marketing ploy conjured up by the retailers, as typically these spaces now tend to be nearer shops' entrances than actual BB ones!

I'm interested in all opinions, particularly those that can put a different spin on this and make me see it from the point of view of these two women. One of my 'new Mum' nieces has joined in the attack on me - she too believes that I have acted selfishly and reiterated how difficult it is to get baby/child seats out of a car without sufficient space around them. I do understand that. But thinking about it, if the situation was reversed and BB spaces were available where P&C ones weren't, I doubt very much I would begrudge a parent or guardian parking in one if it was obvious they needed to!

(I've just realised how long this post is, apologies if you made it this far down and are still with me 😂)

Thanks,

Beatrix x

OP posts:
Nordicrain · 24/05/2023 17:48

Rainyrunway · 24/05/2023 17:01

And can we stop with the "being a parent is a lifestyle choice"? I agree if you need the P and C because of a disability, then take it, but being a parent isn't a "lifestyle choice" for a lot of people!!

It's not even that. It serves a public function. Yes, globally population growth is accelerating but we can see countries like Italy where they are basically begging people to have more kids because there's not enough children being born to support society. We would be pretty screwed if everyone just chose to stop having kids.

hookiewookie29 · 24/05/2023 17:48

My DH is disabled and we use P&C spaces if we need to.
Disabled parking spaces have to be provided by law. P&C spaces don't- they are there out of courtesy. Disabled people pay for their spaces via the blue badge- parents don't.

Tandora · 24/05/2023 17:49

I suggested she maybe should have considered this before deciding whether to have children

YABU for saying this. Otherwise YANBU at all. You have a blue badge , you can park where you like. I’m so sorry for the awful way you have been treated.

ApplesandOrangesandPears · 24/05/2023 17:49

And obviously none of those issues can be sorted by shouting at a disabled person who very obviously needs the space more 🙄 those people were just arseholes.

Geekydeaky · 24/05/2023 17:49

At our local supermarket the P&C spaces are a bit of a walk from the store and yet people without kids still park in them, people are just entitled these days.

I have very young children and appreciate the extra room for getting them both in their car seats, especially since most car parks literally try and cram as many spaces as possible in so it's an absolute farce trying to get them into their car seats without damaging either car.

No one who isn't selfish will be bothered by the disabled or elderly who need the extra room using a p&c space. You've just unfortunately come across the worse kinds of people. The only people I roll my eyes at are those capable of parking elsewhere without kids and more annoyingly those who have the car seats in the car but have come without their kids...

mainsfed · 24/05/2023 17:50

OP, don't worry, you did nothing wrong.

I had the same in a busy supermarket car park. A loud mouthed twat of a woman had a go at us for parking in a P&C bay. When I told her that my mum has a BB and she should be ashamed of harassing an elderly, disabled woman, she soon shut up and hid behind her husband, who was also a tosser.

Ignore the terminally stupid, it must be hell being them.

FatAgainItsLettuceTime · 24/05/2023 17:50

ForeverFailing · 24/05/2023 17:46

I think you are unreasonable taking a P&C space but only because in my area the P&C parking are like gold dust.
There is nothing worse than someone taking one up when the don’t have a child. They are there for a reason, to enable parents to manoeuvre prams/trolleys with a small baby/child.
Use the blue badge section, if there are no spaces then either wait or find a normal space.

For gods sake.

You WANT a parent and child space so someone with a disability who NEEDS a space close to the store and with more room should wait or park somewhere else.

Are you this entitled about everything?

If you need more space to get a car seat out and the P&C spaces are filled then you go to the spaces at the back of the car park way away from the front doors where no one wants to park and you get a space in a quiet section so you can throw your doors open wide.

Iwantmyoldnameback · 24/05/2023 17:51

When did p and c spaces actually become a thing? They weren't around when my children were young in the 80's.

AbsoluteYawns · 24/05/2023 17:52

Sorry OP that you met two absolutely nasty 'mums'.
They don't speak for everyone and you carry on parking in those bays!

Clymene · 24/05/2023 17:53

ForeverFailing · 24/05/2023 17:46

I think you are unreasonable taking a P&C space but only because in my area the P&C parking are like gold dust.
There is nothing worse than someone taking one up when the don’t have a child. They are there for a reason, to enable parents to manoeuvre prams/trolleys with a small baby/child.
Use the blue badge section, if there are no spaces then either wait or find a normal space.

What an ignorant and disablist comment. Having children is a choice. P&C spaces are a courtesy and parents like you who fail to recognise they should give way to the disabled really give the rest of us a bad name.

Sirzy · 24/05/2023 17:54

Iwantmyoldnameback · 24/05/2023 17:51

When did p and c spaces actually become a thing? They weren't around when my children were young in the 80's.

ds was born in 2009 and they where just starting to become a thing then.

Sirzy · 24/05/2023 17:56

ForeverFailing · 24/05/2023 17:46

I think you are unreasonable taking a P&C space but only because in my area the P&C parking are like gold dust.
There is nothing worse than someone taking one up when the don’t have a child. They are there for a reason, to enable parents to manoeuvre prams/trolleys with a small baby/child.
Use the blue badge section, if there are no spaces then either wait or find a normal space.

Whereas manoeuvring is super simple when you’re disabled!

my biggest bug bear with P and C spaces is the sense of helplessness they encourage in some parents.

Cockapoosforlife · 24/05/2023 17:56

fatherfurlong · 24/05/2023 17:21

Yes, I would say that you have priority.

My daughter has a blue badge and if no blue badge spaces I always use the parent and child bays. As you say it’s not only being near the store but also about the width and room to manoeuvre. Those parents were completely out of order talking to you like that.

Another issue that really gets me riled is going to our local shopping mall the lifts are always full of people who can’t be arsed to use the stairs or escalators so that those using wheelchairs or parents with buggies have to wait for the lift to empty out in the car park and then it usually fills up again with people just arriving to do their shopping so again we can’t get in. On the rare occasions that someone actually gets out of the lift to make space for me and my daughter and says I’ll use the stairs I really appreciate it as it is so rare.

The one thing I will state about using the lift when someone looks able bodied isn’t all it appears. I have a hidden physical disability which leaves me struggling with stability but especially with using the stairs so use a lift for that reason.

fitzwilliamdarcy · 24/05/2023 17:56

I’d convert them all to BB/disability spaces.

Then convert some of the ones at the back to P&C.

It drives me bonkers how some parents equate BB spaces (legal requirement) with P&C spaces (courtesy provided by the individual establishment), simply because they see their needs as equivalent.

YANBU OP. What a pair of dicks.

uniresearch2023 · 24/05/2023 17:57

If it happens again then tell them that when having a child becomes harder than having a disability, you'll stop. Until then, blue badge holders can park in any space in the car park and you'll continue to do so. And then tell them to piss off for good measure. What entitles twats you have come across.

Don't take it to heart op. Some people are just pricks. 😡

mainsfed · 24/05/2023 17:57

ForeverFailing · 24/05/2023 17:46

I think you are unreasonable taking a P&C space but only because in my area the P&C parking are like gold dust.
There is nothing worse than someone taking one up when the don’t have a child. They are there for a reason, to enable parents to manoeuvre prams/trolleys with a small baby/child.
Use the blue badge section, if there are no spaces then either wait or find a normal space.

No you fucking wait for a spot! Disabled people do not need to wait for you to do your shopping.

Iwantmyoldnameback · 24/05/2023 17:57

Sirzy · 24/05/2023 17:54

ds was born in 2009 and they where just starting to become a thing then.

Thank you. So comparatively recent then. How did we manage?

TrashyPanda · 24/05/2023 17:58

ForeverFailing · 24/05/2023 17:46

I think you are unreasonable taking a P&C space but only because in my area the P&C parking are like gold dust.
There is nothing worse than someone taking one up when the don’t have a child. They are there for a reason, to enable parents to manoeuvre prams/trolleys with a small baby/child.
Use the blue badge section, if there are no spaces then either wait or find a normal space.

Aka - know your place

you are obviously less important than this mummy

SouthCountryGirl · 24/05/2023 17:59

Iwantmyoldnameback · 24/05/2023 17:57

Thank you. So comparatively recent then. How did we manage?

Did we all have such big cars back then?

GeekyThings · 24/05/2023 18:01

They sound like awful people, I'm sorry you had to deal with that.

Companies are usually legally required to provide parking disability parking spaces, unless there are logistical reasons that they can't (if they have no parking at all, for example). However, technically both disability spaces and P&C spaces in private car parks (which includes supermarkets) are equally enforceable - the council can't issue fines for parking offenses on private land, it's up to the operator to do that, if they choose to. Some supermarket chains use third party companies to issue fines, and they can and will do this if it breaks the owner's car parking rules, and that includes P&C spaces.

That said - you'd have to have some real gall if you whinged about someone with a blue badge in a P&C space! And I've always noticed the biggest complainers are usually the people who need them the least, like the person with the older kids.

DappledThings · 24/05/2023 18:03

Iwantmyoldnameback · 24/05/2023 17:57

Thank you. So comparatively recent then. How did we manage?

There wasn't this trend for getting the while car seat out so much I think. When people say they need loads of extra space it's usually because they are insisting on using the car seat as a buggy.

Sissynova · 24/05/2023 18:03

The “having children is a lifestyle choice, you should have thought about X before having them” is just such a ridiculous thing to say.
It doesn’t matter if it’s a lifestyle choice?
Like are people saying there shouldn’t be accessible parking for those using car seats for example (on top of accessible parking for disabilities) because it’s a lifestyle choice?
Should maternity/ paternity leave not exist?
Should pregnancy not be a protected in employment law because it’s a choice?

I honestly just don’t get the point.

No one is saying there shouldn’t be adequate disabled parking bays.

identifyingasmrblobbytoday · 24/05/2023 18:04

Rainyrunway · 24/05/2023 17:01

And can we stop with the "being a parent is a lifestyle choice"? I agree if you need the P and C because of a disability, then take it, but being a parent isn't a "lifestyle choice" for a lot of people!!

What do you mean by being a parent isn't a "lifestyle choice" for a lot of people!!?

GeekyThings · 24/05/2023 18:05

SouthCountryGirl · 24/05/2023 17:59

Did we all have such big cars back then?

Actually we didn't - cars have increased in width significantly since the 1970s, and parking bays haven't because the guidelines are the same:

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-8986069/Parking-space-sizes-havent-increased-1970s-todays-cars-55-bigger.html

So really the best thing for everyone would be to increase the minimum parking space size in the guidelines.

Are 1970 parking bay sizes big enough? Cars are up to 55% bigger today

Parking guidelines haven't changed in 50 years, with the requirement for public bays to be 8 feet wide by 16 feet long. Some of the biggest SUVs on sale today take up 90% of this available space.

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-8986069/Parking-space-sizes-havent-increased-1970s-todays-cars-55-bigger.html

Highfivemum · 24/05/2023 18:06

I am so so sorry you came across two entitled only ones with children mums. Their behaviour was appalling. You were in the right. As a mum of their is a space in P and C I use it. If not I park where is possible. I do admit one parking in disabled bay but before I am slated , I was heavily pregnant and had pelvic issues. Walking was agony. I had two under threes with me. No spaces in P and C but all disabled were free. I stagger to the supermarket help desk and they said it was fine. Funnily enough when I came out a disabled gent helped me get my shopping in the car.
as this has happened twice I think I would be speaking to the supermarket boss and explain. They may add more disabled bays.
trust me if I saw you I would help you wherever you had parked.

Swipe left for the next trending thread