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Parent & Child -v- Disabled Parking Bays?

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Lambstails · 24/05/2023 15:31

Hello,

Firstly, I feel the need to apologise for posting on here, but I'm genuinely interested in the view of any parents or other guardians of children who use dedicated parent and child spaces. The reason for my apology being that I am not, and have never unfortunately been a parent myself - this was not a lifestyle choice.

I am however, registered disabled and in receipt of the higher mobility rate of PIP which automatically entitles me to use a blue badge. The nature of my condition means that some (very few) days I am quite capable of parking in a 'normal' bay if there is one available relatively close to where I need to be, but most days I HAVE to use a wider bay to get myself in and out of my car, together with my wheeled walker. On days where I can cope ok with just a walking stick, and where there's a regular space available close enough, I steer clear of the blue badge bays, preferring to leave them for people who have no option but to use them. I also would like to add (as it's relevant further down) that my 85 year old Mother is also registered disabled (we have the same congenital spinal condition). My Mum is also sadly now in palliative care for terminal cancer and she cannot walk more than about 10 metres, so is a wheelchair user. She is rarely well enough to leave the house, but on hers and mine 'better' days, I do try and get her out for an hour or so.

A month or so ago, I was able to take Mum out and parked at a local retail park where the ratio of blue badge spaces to parent and child spaces is about 8/15 in the P&C space's favour (I find this bewildering, to be honest). There were no BB spaces free, but plenty of P&C bays were unused. I therefore parked in one and ensured my blue badge was displayed. Fast forward to when we returned to my car, having pushed Mum around the shop for 5 minutes or so, got her out of her wheelchair, into the car and the wheelchair in the boot, I was about on my knees myself. I cannot describe how difficult this is sometimes, for both of us. Anyway, before I could get myself in the car, a furious woman came over to me and lambasted me for parking in a P&C space. She was also parked in one next to me (with her suspiciously tall teenage children in the back). I tried to explain that there were no blue badge spaces free at the time we parked but she called me all sorts of unrepeatable names and "a lazy b*tch" to boot. I pointed out that she and her 'children' looked quite capable of walking, she didn't have a pushchair or pram and that my Mum cannot walk, which she clearly could see with the difficulty getting her into the car, but she was having none of it. I decided to then ignore her and just leave, she was the sort of person there was going to be no reasoning with and being yelled and sworn out in a public car park isn't really for me.

I put this out of my mind and today went to the car park to pick up some items for Mum from Boots. Once again, there were no BB spaces free and around a dozen P&C spaces unoccupied. Today is a 'bad' day - I am in a lot of pain and walking more than a few steps at a time is difficult and I needed my walker. So I reluctantly parked in a P&C space, knowing that I would be little more than 5 minutes to pick up some medication. And yes, once again when I returned to my car, there was a young Mum waiting for me by her car (parked next to me). And yes, once again I received a berating. This lady was a different model to the previous angry woman - she politely asked me if I was aware I had parked in a P&C space - I was completely honest and said yes, hence why I had displayed my blue badge. Maybe I should have lied and pleaded ignorance, as at this point she changed - having ascertained I had knowingly parked here, she promptly called me selfish and said she was off to find a security officer to report me and my selfishness. The source of her fury seemed to be that she said she wouldn't dream of parking in a BB bay if all the P&C spaces were full. I pointed out that she has a choice whether to walk a little further or not, I usually don't. I suggested she maybe should have considered this before deciding whether to have children, if it was to become so important to her, she said it's nothing to do with not wanting to walk, and everything to do with the safety of parents and their children, apparently it isn't safe for a Mother to be pushing a young baby in a pram around a busy car park. The way my legs operate most days, I wouldn't be particularly safe walking on bubble wrap!

I am more distressed, rattled and upset about these two incidents than I probably should be. With my own middle age, the impending mortality of both my parents, together with both my nieces recently having had their first babies, perhaps my own child-free status is playing on my mind at the moment, although I don't think I am the 'woe is me' type. I am not an unhappy, bitter old bag (honestly!) - I've got a fantastic husband, and a great job; I've had a lot in my life to be so very thankful for. Children of our own would have been the icing on the cake, but it's never been the be-all and end-all. On both occasions, whilst being sweetly polite to these women, more than anything I wanted to scream at them to be damn thankful for what they've got and just go and enjoy it. Having a blue badge is not a choice for me, to have had children would have been - that's how I see the difference.

I really would like to get some opinions on this emotive subject, more to try and understand the perspective of these two women. I have no idea if P&C spaces are 'legal' spaces as are BB bays, but even if they are, if there are dozens of them available and not being used, what is the real harm of a BB holder using one? I'm not convinced that P&C spaces aren't actually a marketing ploy conjured up by the retailers, as typically these spaces now tend to be nearer shops' entrances than actual BB ones!

I'm interested in all opinions, particularly those that can put a different spin on this and make me see it from the point of view of these two women. One of my 'new Mum' nieces has joined in the attack on me - she too believes that I have acted selfishly and reiterated how difficult it is to get baby/child seats out of a car without sufficient space around them. I do understand that. But thinking about it, if the situation was reversed and BB spaces were available where P&C ones weren't, I doubt very much I would begrudge a parent or guardian parking in one if it was obvious they needed to!

(I've just realised how long this post is, apologies if you made it this far down and are still with me 😂)

Thanks,

Beatrix x

OP posts:
CornishAdventures · 24/05/2023 16:55

A disabled bay is a necessity for those with blue badges. I see a parent and child bay as a bonus for a parent - it makes life easier but not a necessity

I’d be more than happy for a disabled person to use a parent and child bay if there wasn’t a blue badge bay if that helped them get to the shops that day

Rainyrunway · 24/05/2023 16:57

"If there were loads of blue bays available and only one free p&c bay and you took that one, it would be a little inconsiderate, but even then you would be in your rights."

Actually I disagree with this. If there were loads of BB and you took the last P and C then you're more than a little inconsiderate! But obviously taking a P and C because there are no BB is totally different. Go for it in that case.

And again to add another perspective to why P and C are needed..
When my twins were small I parked in a regular space. When I came back cars had parked in the spaces on either side of mine and on both sides they were nearly to the line. There was literally NO WAY I could get either door open wide enough to get either baby in the car. They were around 9 months old I think so old enough that had I left them in their buggy, got in the car myself, shut the door and started pulling out of the space until I had room to open the doors they would have been screaming thinking I was just leaving them. We had to just stand there and wait for about 25 minutes until a traffic warden came along who I could ask to stand with my buggy talking to them while I pulled the car forward to get them in. So yes P and C are needed. They Def don't need to be near the front of the car park though and if they weren't they probably wouldn't get pinched by people who don't need them.

changedforanswer · 24/05/2023 16:57

HecticHedgehog · 24/05/2023 15:39

It's irritating when people without children use parent and baby spaces but someone with a disability who can't get in a blue badge space is perfectly fine to use one and should do so if necessary imo.

This - every single time. You encountered twats.

Ignore rather than engage with them, they will just shout you down and so not worth the effort. Sorry you had to deal with this level of twat.

Sissynova · 24/05/2023 16:58

Sirzy · 24/05/2023 16:36

You don’t need to know if someone is disabled or not.

if a p and c space is free use it if not never mind and park elsewhere. Plenty of car parks don’t have P and C spaces yet people manage somehow.

I’m not really sure what point you’re making or why you’re being combative with me.
I didn’t say I needed to know. But I might understand why they needed the space if I seen they were in a wheelchair or using something for mobility.
If it’s just a 40 year old who doesn’t seem to have any mobility impairment or obvious need for the wider bay then I would be annoyed.
I’ve genuinely never used a carpark that doesn’t have parent and child parking or at least multi use parking in the sides that have extra room for doors opening.
Car seats are bigger and bulkier particularly around the sides than they used to be due to safety regulations. When someone in a massive car parks up to the line it is impossible to life a baby or young toddler out of an infant car seat if you can only open the door slightly.
Personally I wouldn’t park in another space, I would cycle and wait for a P&C space to open up. I’ve used a normal one before and ended up just having to sit on the kerb stressed and emotional as I was heavily pregnant and couldn’t get the door open dat enough on either side to put my toddler in.

Rainyrunway · 24/05/2023 17:01

And can we stop with the "being a parent is a lifestyle choice"? I agree if you need the P and C because of a disability, then take it, but being a parent isn't a "lifestyle choice" for a lot of people!!

Quinoawoman · 24/05/2023 17:02

The vast majority of parents would have no problem with you parking if a P&C bay if there were no disabled spaces left. You were unlucky and those women were rude bitches.
However, I do think the 'you should have thought of that before you had children' remark was a bit uncalled for. Are you seriously suggesting that she should not have had children if she didn't want to keep them safe in a car park???

DevonPink · 24/05/2023 17:04

MrsMiagi · 24/05/2023 15:43

I would always say disabled parking trumps parent and child parking. I am a parent

Exactly right!

Dagnabit · 24/05/2023 17:05

Blimey, I really hope these 2 women are a minority. I would never berate anyone with a blue badge using a p/c space. I do think some people abuse the system by borrowing family member’s blue badges but this is very rare and it seems it was obvious why you needed to use the space. I have seen far more people use the p/c spaces without a blue badge or children!

TrashyPanda · 24/05/2023 17:05

You have been so unlucky to be subjected to two such ignorant and horrible women, who are clearly devoid of any basic compassion. I pity the children they are bringing up.

rest assured, you have done nothing wrong.

EverydayParis · 24/05/2023 17:08

@Lambstails OP probably what happened is that you were the “safe” target for these two people to direct their ire at, an ire which grew from them watching lots of other people they wouldn’t dare confront like that using the spaces with less justification than you. When I had an infant and carrycot to use, I needed the wider spaces when on my own. I often had to circle, only to see a single man walk out with their meal deal into their huge car. It happens a lot.

I think the fact it has happened twice to you is more a reflection of them feeling they can confront you, than the wrongness of your action. Once they were geared up to confront, they weren’t in listening mode for your justification. To the point they’re making stuff up about not pushing prams around the car park! Given that you can’t just hop in and drive off, makes a rant more likely.

You should absolutely use the spaces of sufficient width nearest the store for you and your mum. You will have to ignore these people and carry on with your day, or perhaps take heart that you played a small part in them feeling empowered that day as clearly they don’t feel so elsewhere.

Padstow58 · 24/05/2023 17:09

Both of those women are deranged bitches.

As a disabled person, your right to park there out trumps theirs every time.

And if you are ever challenged again, tell them this.

The law is on your side.

Fandabedodgy · 24/05/2023 17:11

YANBU and should carry on parking there.

P&C spaces are just a courtesy and not a legal requirement so if you need one. Use one.

Nordicrain · 24/05/2023 17:12

I went to a shopping centre recently where there were the (legally required?) disabled spaces and then all the other wide spaces had both the wheelchair and a pushcahri symbol on them. I thought that was pretty clever.

YANBU to use the P/C spaces, although I don't agree there should necessarily always be more disabled spaces than P/C spaces - I often notice there are LOADS of those free and no P/C.

WindowsSmindows · 24/05/2023 17:12

I'm sorry this happened to you.
30 years ago I shouted at a woman who parked in a BB space.
I had no idea about mobility issues or hidden disabilities and only associated blue badges with my sister who was dependent on a wheelchair.
I'd say for around ten years I still thought I was right and some sort of defender of blue badge spaces.
The penny dropped and I am so mortified by myself I can't forget it even decades later.
I know there is a woman somewhere who needed to use a cane/ stick back then, and I shouted at her and called her selfish and lazy.
I'm so so sorry.
So op please forgive them at some point because they are totally totally wrong. But maybe they don't know that? And they could imagine they are in the right?
I was stressed and tired and arrogant and young and very very very wrong.

ChrisPPancake · 24/05/2023 17:14

HecticHedgehog · 24/05/2023 15:39

It's irritating when people without children use parent and baby spaces but someone with a disability who can't get in a blue badge space is perfectly fine to use one and should do so if necessary imo.

Absolutely agree.

DonnaBanana · 24/05/2023 17:15

To be fair you were a parent and child even if you were the child driving the car.

stayathomer · 24/05/2023 17:16

I have only used parent spaces at my lowest lowest points (twice) because even though I have 4 kids and at times would have been wheeling and carrying, I just always left them for people who really needed them. Op you needed them. Screw what space it was- those mums were being totally irrational and ridiculous. Maybe they were having their worst day or maybe they’re just entitled pushy idiots. Either way I’m sorry.

EasterBreak · 24/05/2023 17:17

You can park where you like you have a BB. Parent and child spaces are purely a curtesy not an entitlement. You are more entitled than them every single time. Sorry they upset you.

Thatsplentyjack · 24/05/2023 17:17

I find this crazy, one, because I have never been anywhere ever that there weren't at least twice as many blue badge spaces as p&c spaces. Two, because I have said to anyone about parking in p&c space, even although sometimes I'm getting 5 young kids out the car, even if I know they are taking this piss parking in one.

SouthCountryGirl · 24/05/2023 17:20

DonnaBanana · 24/05/2023 17:15

To be fair you were a parent and child even if you were the child driving the car.

My mum says this when there's no BB spaces and we end up parking in p&c.

TemporaryNaming · 24/05/2023 17:20

You have done nothing wrong. And the next tome anyone tries to confront you I wouldn't even answer them. I wouldn't dream of harassing anyone for parking anywhere. Is it annoying driving round the carpark trying to find a space to get your baby out safely? Yes. But it is a minor inconvenience. What annoys me is people parking over 2 spaces with no consideration for anyone else. But again, I wouldn't confront them about it, what's the point? Selfish people will always be selfish regardless. I hope you are okay OP & I'm very sorry to hear about your mum. I hope you get many more 'good' days & can enjoy them without being harassed.

StillNoFuckingEyeDeer · 24/05/2023 17:21

I think I accidentally hit YABU, but you are absolutely NOT being unreasonable. Blue badge should trump everything.

fatherfurlong · 24/05/2023 17:21

Yes, I would say that you have priority.

My daughter has a blue badge and if no blue badge spaces I always use the parent and child bays. As you say it’s not only being near the store but also about the width and room to manoeuvre. Those parents were completely out of order talking to you like that.

Another issue that really gets me riled is going to our local shopping mall the lifts are always full of people who can’t be arsed to use the stairs or escalators so that those using wheelchairs or parents with buggies have to wait for the lift to empty out in the car park and then it usually fills up again with people just arriving to do their shopping so again we can’t get in. On the rare occasions that someone actually gets out of the lift to make space for me and my daughter and says I’ll use the stairs I really appreciate it as it is so rare.

JustBeKindItsEasy · 24/05/2023 17:27

It is not illegal to park in a P & C space,
They are there to give room to a parent who needs to get kids safely out of the car. It has nothing to do with how far they are capable of walking and everything to do with not being run over.
Putting your BBadge in the window doesn’t give you extra rights over anyone else to park in P & C spaces.

Of the two women that spoke to you.
The one with the teenagers should not be using the P & C as they don’t need a pushchair. If, at their age they need support then they would have a disabled badge.
The other lady had every right to have a word with you and I think you were quite entitled commenting that she should have thought before she had kids and that she was perfectly capable of walking. Maybe she can walk but not if she hasn’t got room to get her kids safely out of the car.

The problem here is that your area clearly doesn’t have enough disabled parking bays. There has been a surge in people who can claim the blue badges and your area has not recalculated the number of bays required to reflect this. May I suggest you contact your MP and ask that they re- evaluate provision.

As an aside if the parking area is privately owned they can, of course, fine you if you are in the wrong designated area.

Rainyrunway · 24/05/2023 17:28

I once parked in a BB space without a BB. There were no regular or P and C spaces free. I was taking my granny to an appointment at a private hospital. She couldn't walk, she was in agony so I was pushing her in a wheelchair with one hand while pulling a double buggy with 18 month old twins in the other. I was so fucking stressed I was crying myself. Luckily for me the car park attendant saw the situation and said I could use it just that one time. Only because it was a private hospital with a private carpark so he could decide. I felt pretty nervous and guilty about it though. Looking back I no longer feel guilty. She should have had a BB. She was too proud to get one, preferred to deny she was almost blind and would have been entitled to one any day and that particular day was not a normal day anyway, by any means.

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