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To put a lock on the kitchen door?

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FoodFrustration · 05/05/2023 10:09

My apologies for the length but trying to paint the picture.

DS is 14 and very slim and whilst I appreciate most teenage boys are walking dustbins I just feel that his eating and drinking is getting out of control and his ability not to help himself to things that he's been told not to touch are none existent and its becoming a huge bone of contention.

He refuses to eat breakfast in the morning and often won’t get up in enough time to eat it anyway. I generally make him a packed lunch for school because school lunches were becoming far too expensive to budget for and he moaned about the ques, his friends I believe also take a packed lunch so hes not the odd one out. Recently he has either been forgetting to take his lunch and then going to the canteen when he knows there is no money on his lunch card or taking it and still going spending money in the canteen on extras and drinks because he never takes his with him. The first I knew of this was when the school contacted me to pay off the debt he had accrued on his card. I explained to him at the time that he can’t be forgetting or choosing not to take his lunch in then going and racking up debts on his empty card because I can’t afford to be hit with unexpected bills so he needs to be more organised. I paid off the debt only for the following week to be hit with another debt, needless to say given our previous discussion I was not happy. Again I told him it needs to stop and have gone as far as leaving his lunch by his bag before I go to work (I leave before he does) but again have been hit with debt if only for drinks. The drinks he buys at school are bottles of flavoured water at over £1 per bottle, I can buy 4 for that price at Aldi so opted to go buy in some bottled drinks for school, I also bought in a load of large bottles of drink for home including the same drink as in the smaller bottles for school. I told him categorically that they were for school because I wasn’t keep paying debts for school drinks which cost 4x the price when we are on a budget. Despite this only an hour later he helped himself to one, when I realised I told him I was not impressed he knows they are for school and there is plenty of other drinks in the fridge. Despite this he later helped himself to another then during the night another one leaving just one left. He says ‘ok’ and ‘sorry’ but then just keeps on doing it! It sounds trivial in this context but is just the tip of the iceburg and was the straw this week that broke the camels back and yesterday morning I put a lock on the fridge so that he can’t get in it when I’m not home or overnight, and put his lunch and a flask of cordial on his bag before leaving the house, he gets home before me and I came home to find he has thrown a huge strop after school when realising he can’t access the fridge that he has somehow managed to completely snap / break / cut through the thick wire cable fridge lock and smashed a chunk of plaster off the wall in the process, before then helping himself to the final bottle of drink he’s been told not too touch when there was loads of other drinks in there! god knows how he hasn’t bust the fridge. There were snacks in the cupboards and cordial to drink so waiting an hour for anything else wouldn’t have killed him.

For context of other things: I’m not much of a drinker but do like the very occasional can of cider as a treat, the problem is once the box is opened he sees this as fair game and helps himself to these too even though he knows its alcohol and not for him, he will put the empty cans back so it looks like none are missing until I get halfway through and realise several are empty so I clearly can’t even have these in now. I’ll buy things for lunches such as cocktail sausages, at a handful a day there is a weeks worth but by the next day the whole box will be gone even though he knows they are for lunches and off limits for just eating. I’ll buy plenty of snacks for the week but in less that 48 hours its almost all gone because he just can’t seem to stop himself once he starts or eat a sensible portion, sometimes I’ll buy a couple of bits that are just for me because I don’t get a look in at most things and even knowing that he’ll eat my bits if he has ran out, if I try hide them he will literally search until he finds them. 18 packets of crisps can be gone in 3 days as can a box of 16 chocolate cupcakes. He will have snacks (crisps / cakes / biscuits) and a sandwich / toast or a pastie or something after school but before tea / dinner (before I get home), He then gets a large portion of food, then he’ll be snacking again not long after and often sneaks down during the night and helps himself to more when he’s been told no more because he’s already had more than enough. One night he ate a full pack of sliced chicken breast pieces that were for the next days lunches for us both.

I’m a single parent on a tight budget, his dad isn’t in the picture and I get no maintenance. I can’t really afford to keep replacing the stuff he’s eaten but have too try because otherwise he’d have nothing for lunch because he eats his lunch stuff for extra snacks after school or when hes eaten all the good stuff and then just racks up debts at school. I’m at my wits end with it all and at never getting a look in at anything before it is gone. The constant arguing over his greediness and lack of thought about leaving any for me is really starting to wear me down. He’s been told its not just about the food but the lack of respect he is showing helping himself to things he knows aren’t his or that he’s been told ‘no’ too.

So would I be unreasonable to put a lock on the internal kitchen door and only give him a front door key (he goes through the back at present) to physically prevent him accessing the kitchen when I am not there or overnight?

If you think I am being unreasonable can you suggest other ways of tackling this because I am at a loss.

post edited by MNHQ as it contained a word we don't allow on the boards.

OP posts:
SkyandSurf · 05/05/2023 22:52

I'm sorry OP that sounds really tough.

I think you're smart to talk to the school- he can't be the first teen they've had to be taking the piss with the lunch card.

I agree with PPs you might have to be a very healthy snack-free household for a while to make a difference in the behaviour.

I would buy the absolute cheapest fruit, bread etc. but no crisps, biscuits, cupcakes, chocolate for the foreseeable. If he wants them he should get a job and work for it. I wouldn't buy flavoured water regardless.

Could you keep meat in the freezer so he doesn't eat it overnight?

It's really about the defiance and lack of consideration for you. Drinking all the OJ and eating your lunch meat is very selfish especially if you've discussed it before.

Can you take the difference out of his allowance?

A job at McDonald's or something could honestly be the making of him. It would give him somewhere to be, new friends and some structure.

Perhaps the lack of treat food will motivate him?

newusern1 · 05/05/2023 22:53

Lots of people mention only having cereal, toast and pasta as snacks. However, carb rich food is just going to lead to a blood sugar high followed by a crash ( especially with no exercise). This crash will then lead to more feelings of hunger and more eating. I would give protein and fat rich snacks instead. Nuts, boiled eggs, avocado ( maybe too expensive), full fat yoghurt. If having toast you could serve with nut butters instead of jam. He might stay fuller for longer then and not need to snack as much.

SkyandSurf · 05/05/2023 22:54

Skybluepinky · 05/05/2023 15:06

Contact the school and explain yr situation and that u r providing lunch and u can’t afford for him to use the system they have.
Ask if they have any student/parenting classes so u can gain the skills needed.

I don't think that's fair. OP sounds like an excellent parent in difficult circumstances.

Murdoch1949 · 06/05/2023 01:35

Difficult because teenage boys are bottomless pits. Provide the healthy food and totally ditch the crisps, snacks, biscuits, flavoured water etc. He's hungry after school and looks for easy to grab and consume food. That's when he can have cereal, toast, a sandwich if he chooses, not crisps, biscuits & pop. Definitely talk to the school about the lunch card, as he's abusing it, explain your situation and I'm sure there will be a way to block it.

Sunraes · 06/05/2023 10:14

SkyandSurf · 05/05/2023 22:54

I don't think that's fair. OP sounds like an excellent parent in difficult circumstances.

Agree. Very unfair comment.

MargotBamborough · 06/05/2023 10:27

FoodFrustration · 05/05/2023 14:54

Thank you for all the feedback.

I will speak to the school about the lunch card and whether it can be blocked as my starting point and go from there.

Don't ask nicely, OP. Just tell them.

From a contract law point of view, if you don't consent to the school giving your son food on credit, you have no legal obligation to pay the bill.

Tell them that if there's no money on the card, he should not be given food, and if they give him food anyway, as far as you're concerned it's free food because you cannot and will not pay any surprise bills you are presented with.

As for your home situation, yes, I would put a lock on the kitchen door and only allow your son into the kitchen when you are there. He'll hate it, but it sounds like you've tried to reason with him and it hasn't worked.

Cherrysoup · 06/05/2023 10:43

I’m horrified that he broke the fridge lock and damaged the plaster. What consequence did he get for that? I think not buying in the junk food is the way forward.

applebee33 · 06/05/2023 10:48

A 14 yr old drinking cider? Did I read that wrong

bunhead1979 · 06/05/2023 13:11

SkyandSurf · 05/05/2023 22:54

I don't think that's fair. OP sounds like an excellent parent in difficult circumstances.

Parenting courses aren’t just for rubbish parents though. When I was having a hard time with my kids behaviour i did a course that really helped with communication and problem solving etc, vastly improved our relationship which then gave a good base to work through stuff together. I’ve met some of the most caring, loving, considerate parents on courses.

DriedFlowersLiveForever · 06/05/2023 13:31

A 14 yr old drinking cider? Did I read that wrong.
That's really what you took from OPs post @applebee33 ? My 13 Yr old is allowed 1 can of cider now and again for special occasions.

ImAGummyBear · 06/05/2023 14:24

That sounds hard OP.

If he doesn’t do any extracurricular activities and has no outside interest or a peer group that is active or has engaging interests, it sounds like he’s bored to his eyeballs and using food to cover whatever’s missing.

I agree with a PP it might be the start of going off the rails. Anything exciting comes up now he may take it on.

I have no thoughts tbh… maybe try getting him engaged with something, get him to start a job don’t give him a choice. His life sounds boring but at that age they don’t listen so maybe just arrange activities and stuff and hope that he’ll like or stick with one.

With no good male role models he has no example to follow.

all the best OP x

GenAndWine · 06/05/2023 15:28

I’d do natural consequences.

Refuse to pay off bills from the school.

He can’t ration treat food so you won’t buy it anymore. It’s not like you’re benefiting from purchasing it anyway.

He can’t be trusted in the house alone so he can’t have a key any longer. He can go to after school extra curricular stuff or the library to do homework.

He can’t behave appropriately when he games so he can no longer game. Whatever platform he uses can be sold to repair the damage and go some way towards the credit and food he has stolen from you.

He can’t wake up so he has a bedtime implemented. If he doesn’t get up in the morning he gets three warnings then a pint of cold water on his head.

He needs you to be much tougher.

Id also suggest something like cadets (subs and other costs are very cheap and they’ll manage something discreetly if you can’t afford it). And/or check if there’s a local community boxing option again usually very cheap and often subsidised if needed. I wouldn’t give him too much choice in the matter. Just sign him up and take him.

steppemum · 06/05/2023 17:39

my ds grew dramatically between 14 and 16, and he just ate me out of house and home.

So on the one hand I think there is a teenage hunger issue.
Ds used to cook himself frozen pizza and 10 pm and eat it all, having had 3 full meals in the day.
He also never ate breakfast as he got up too late. But he ate 'breakfast' at break time, then lunch, then after school a big snack and then a large dinner. then at 10 pm he was starving again.

My mum said my eldest brother was the same. Both my brother and my ds are very tall.

So I think a huge chunk of this IS teen hunger, especially as they have tested him for all the obvious offenders.

So the other side is the disrespect and the way he treats you and the food in the house that he has been asked not to touch.

I think it is perfectly reasonable to have some food off limits, we have always had a shelf in the fridge with stuff specifially bought for this weeks meals, that they know not to eat. the is plenty of other stuff around that they can eat.

I would be tempete dot go drastic. Remove computer. Tell him that if he repsects the food rules for 1 week then he gets it back. You will have a MASSIVE stroppy backlash though, so it is really if you are up for that. I would put a list of easy food on the fridge door. A sort of What can I eat? list.
I would have a space/box or cupborad for food that he is not allowed to help himself too. Or the other way - anything in this cupboard is fine, you can't help yourself to the rest.

Talk to him about how this is not about food, it is about understanding that you have financial limits and he is being selfish. Every time he breaks the rules the one week starts again.

If that is too extreme. (and I know I would ahve hesitated as the computer thing is huge) then I would have a week where there are no snacks of drinks in the house at all. Plenty of pasta/cereal/toast, but no extras and again, learn to follow food rules and I'll start buying nive stuff again.

and yeas, tell school you will not pay any debts.

steppemum · 06/05/2023 17:42

Don't ask nicely, OP. Just tell them.

From a contract law point of view, if you don't consent to the school giving your son food on credit, you have no legal obligation to pay the bill.

Tell them that if there's no money on the card, he should not be given food, and if they give him food anyway, as far as you're concerned it's free food because you cannot and will not pay any surprise bills you are presented with.

absolutely this.

Yerroblemom1923 · 06/05/2023 17:49

I'd be concerned at the violence of breaking the fridge so would hesitate to lock the kitchen in case he smashed that up as well! Drinking alcohol at 14 doesn't sound good. I'd keep your cider hidden.
What happens if you don't replenish the weekly shop that he's been told is to last the week, but is gone by Wed? Is he ever actually getting the message?

steppemum · 06/05/2023 17:51

But can I just add.

Some people are suggesting really harsh regimes.
While I understand the need to be firm and that he is disrespecting boundaries, at 14 I would also be thinking hard about the positive side of our relationship and how to build that. There is an old saying which ways that you shoudl say 10 mice things for every negative, when my ds was this age it was more liek 10 negatives for every nice as he was stroppy, didn;t want to engage etc etc.

One thing I did was think really hard about how to give him positive love, while not letting up on the boundaries and behaviours I expected.
Some of them were really small. I started saying 'Love you have a good day' every day as he left the house. I occasionally took up a bacon sandwich or a mug of coffee/hot chocolate.
I got in the habit of properly saying goodnight each night, just sticking my head in and chatting for a few minutes.
I sent silly emojis or pictures occasionally.
I also talked to him about steps of independance, things he can take control of, as he is growing older. Some he didn't want (clean your own room) Some he was happier with (changing the way we did pocket money/allowance.

They seem like small things, but it is a way of drip drip drip feeding love. And when you stand back and look at all the interactions that you have with them in a day, it can be shocking to realise how negative they all are.

SchoolQuestionnaire · 06/05/2023 18:19

HadalyEve · 05/05/2023 13:53

Locking away food from a hungry teenager is completely unreasonable. You say he is slim, so he’s not overeating despite you being convinced he is eating too much. I read your accounts of what he eats in a day and it’s not an unusual amount for a teenage boy.

I read you constantly have a go at him for “greediness” this is abusive and likely to lead to disordered eating, if not an actual eating disorder and other MH issues later in life. You are wrong to link him going hungry with showing you respect, and eating when hungry as disrespecting you.

I get money is tight, but you need to not begrudge him food. You can always go to a food bank to top up your food supply. I agree you may have too much junk food which is only going to stimulate appetite not satisfy teenage hunger. So I’d look at your food budget and buy fewer (usually expensive) junk snacks and more of healthy alternatives that are often cheaper.

I generally agree with the above. Teenagers are always hungry and can put away a ridiculous amount of food and it’s not ideal to refuse them, but I also understand that it’s not so easy if you’re struggling to afford it.

I would definitely put a stop to buying the treats. Those sweetener filled drinks and sugary orange juice won’t be doing his blood sugar or appetite any favours. Neither will crisps, chocolate and junk food. None of you need that and that is what is encouraging him to binge. I would only buy wholemeal bread, low sugar cereals such as shredded wheat, oat crisp and weetabix, plenty of veg, cheese, eggs, plain full fat Greek yogurt (not the sugary/sweetened rubbish), nuts and whatever protein you can afford. Fruit I would only buy apples and pears - things that are a bit less sugary and take more chewing to digest but I’d also have sticks of carrot, celery and peppers ready chopped in the fridge to have with hummous. If there are no sugary treats and the healthy stuff is readily available he will go for that but naturally eat less as it will fill him.

I’m not always here when my 17 yo gets in but I know he’ll be starving so leave a meal in the fridge for him ready to just pop in the oven (usually something with chicken breast and veg that will only take 25 mins or so) or a pre-cooked meal to warm through such as a casserole. Then he can eat immediately and we have ours when we get back from work. Would you be able do something like this?

Miajk · 06/05/2023 18:24

Starintheshow · 05/05/2023 17:11

To add he needs to have a decent amount of sleep and a breakfast whether he likes it or not.

Why? If he's not hungry in the morning why does he need breakfast? Forcing people to eat when not hungry is purely stupid.

Sounds like he's just hungry and not overeating if slim. His mum making a big deal out of it, classifying foods as "not for him" and putting locks on the fridge is just making his relationship with food worse.

Get him involved in food shopping OP. Make sure he can pick out to eat whatever it is he wants to eat. Maybe even give him a separate grocery budget that he should manage, for lunches and snacks.

Miajk · 06/05/2023 18:26

SchoolQuestionnaire · 06/05/2023 18:19

I generally agree with the above. Teenagers are always hungry and can put away a ridiculous amount of food and it’s not ideal to refuse them, but I also understand that it’s not so easy if you’re struggling to afford it.

I would definitely put a stop to buying the treats. Those sweetener filled drinks and sugary orange juice won’t be doing his blood sugar or appetite any favours. Neither will crisps, chocolate and junk food. None of you need that and that is what is encouraging him to binge. I would only buy wholemeal bread, low sugar cereals such as shredded wheat, oat crisp and weetabix, plenty of veg, cheese, eggs, plain full fat Greek yogurt (not the sugary/sweetened rubbish), nuts and whatever protein you can afford. Fruit I would only buy apples and pears - things that are a bit less sugary and take more chewing to digest but I’d also have sticks of carrot, celery and peppers ready chopped in the fridge to have with hummous. If there are no sugary treats and the healthy stuff is readily available he will go for that but naturally eat less as it will fill him.

I’m not always here when my 17 yo gets in but I know he’ll be starving so leave a meal in the fridge for him ready to just pop in the oven (usually something with chicken breast and veg that will only take 25 mins or so) or a pre-cooked meal to warm through such as a casserole. Then he can eat immediately and we have ours when we get back from work. Would you be able do something like this?

As someone with extensive experience of binge eating disorder, keeping stuff around is not the issue.

Restricting foods, never having them, not buying them, treating them as "crap" and god knows what else if one of the biggest triggers of binges. I always cringe when I see misinformed advice like this on Mumsnet.

underneaththeash · 06/05/2023 18:32

Miajk · 06/05/2023 18:26

As someone with extensive experience of binge eating disorder, keeping stuff around is not the issue.

Restricting foods, never having them, not buying them, treating them as "crap" and god knows what else if one of the biggest triggers of binges. I always cringe when I see misinformed advice like this on Mumsnet.

I think a lot of people's experience is different. I think most adults it works just not having crap food in the house.

OhmygodDont · 06/05/2023 18:59

High value snacks basically have to be kept out the house. Make sure the house is full of cheap good food that you don’t mind him raiding.

But penguins or fake ones do not enter the house. If you just have them for yourself I recommend somewhere in your room but he must not ever see you bringing them in or the rubbish from them.

A
teenage boy will always go for easy grab snacks over making a sandwich if they can.

OhcantthInkofaname · 06/05/2023 19:00

I would tell him that there are no clothes, activities, or extras because you are spending too much on food. Quit buying crisps, drinks, etc. Block his use of the card at school.

LaurieFairyCake · 06/05/2023 19:16

All alcohol and snacks he's not allowed to eat keep in car

Keep toast/peanut butter, eggs, apples in house

Don't pay off the school debt - send him a text (this is important) to say if he uses the card his tech will be sold to pay off the debt - send the text every day

DO NOT talk to him about this - he's 14, he can't be reasoned with - it just leads to extra conflict and him SMASHING UP THE FRIDGE AND WALLS

Just quietly change to the above, stop talking about food

He needs more food so make large pots of cheap pasta and hard boiled eggs - he really needs protein

I would also buy a kg of cheddar a week - probably a tenner? Good source of protein and fat on toast

tallcypowder · 06/05/2023 19:20

Are you definitely sure he is not on the cannabis dab pens?
You can't really smell them but definitely get the same impact to the user.

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