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To put a lock on the kitchen door?

154 replies

FoodFrustration · 05/05/2023 10:09

My apologies for the length but trying to paint the picture.

DS is 14 and very slim and whilst I appreciate most teenage boys are walking dustbins I just feel that his eating and drinking is getting out of control and his ability not to help himself to things that he's been told not to touch are none existent and its becoming a huge bone of contention.

He refuses to eat breakfast in the morning and often won’t get up in enough time to eat it anyway. I generally make him a packed lunch for school because school lunches were becoming far too expensive to budget for and he moaned about the ques, his friends I believe also take a packed lunch so hes not the odd one out. Recently he has either been forgetting to take his lunch and then going to the canteen when he knows there is no money on his lunch card or taking it and still going spending money in the canteen on extras and drinks because he never takes his with him. The first I knew of this was when the school contacted me to pay off the debt he had accrued on his card. I explained to him at the time that he can’t be forgetting or choosing not to take his lunch in then going and racking up debts on his empty card because I can’t afford to be hit with unexpected bills so he needs to be more organised. I paid off the debt only for the following week to be hit with another debt, needless to say given our previous discussion I was not happy. Again I told him it needs to stop and have gone as far as leaving his lunch by his bag before I go to work (I leave before he does) but again have been hit with debt if only for drinks. The drinks he buys at school are bottles of flavoured water at over £1 per bottle, I can buy 4 for that price at Aldi so opted to go buy in some bottled drinks for school, I also bought in a load of large bottles of drink for home including the same drink as in the smaller bottles for school. I told him categorically that they were for school because I wasn’t keep paying debts for school drinks which cost 4x the price when we are on a budget. Despite this only an hour later he helped himself to one, when I realised I told him I was not impressed he knows they are for school and there is plenty of other drinks in the fridge. Despite this he later helped himself to another then during the night another one leaving just one left. He says ‘ok’ and ‘sorry’ but then just keeps on doing it! It sounds trivial in this context but is just the tip of the iceburg and was the straw this week that broke the camels back and yesterday morning I put a lock on the fridge so that he can’t get in it when I’m not home or overnight, and put his lunch and a flask of cordial on his bag before leaving the house, he gets home before me and I came home to find he has thrown a huge strop after school when realising he can’t access the fridge that he has somehow managed to completely snap / break / cut through the thick wire cable fridge lock and smashed a chunk of plaster off the wall in the process, before then helping himself to the final bottle of drink he’s been told not too touch when there was loads of other drinks in there! god knows how he hasn’t bust the fridge. There were snacks in the cupboards and cordial to drink so waiting an hour for anything else wouldn’t have killed him.

For context of other things: I’m not much of a drinker but do like the very occasional can of cider as a treat, the problem is once the box is opened he sees this as fair game and helps himself to these too even though he knows its alcohol and not for him, he will put the empty cans back so it looks like none are missing until I get halfway through and realise several are empty so I clearly can’t even have these in now. I’ll buy things for lunches such as cocktail sausages, at a handful a day there is a weeks worth but by the next day the whole box will be gone even though he knows they are for lunches and off limits for just eating. I’ll buy plenty of snacks for the week but in less that 48 hours its almost all gone because he just can’t seem to stop himself once he starts or eat a sensible portion, sometimes I’ll buy a couple of bits that are just for me because I don’t get a look in at most things and even knowing that he’ll eat my bits if he has ran out, if I try hide them he will literally search until he finds them. 18 packets of crisps can be gone in 3 days as can a box of 16 chocolate cupcakes. He will have snacks (crisps / cakes / biscuits) and a sandwich / toast or a pastie or something after school but before tea / dinner (before I get home), He then gets a large portion of food, then he’ll be snacking again not long after and often sneaks down during the night and helps himself to more when he’s been told no more because he’s already had more than enough. One night he ate a full pack of sliced chicken breast pieces that were for the next days lunches for us both.

I’m a single parent on a tight budget, his dad isn’t in the picture and I get no maintenance. I can’t really afford to keep replacing the stuff he’s eaten but have too try because otherwise he’d have nothing for lunch because he eats his lunch stuff for extra snacks after school or when hes eaten all the good stuff and then just racks up debts at school. I’m at my wits end with it all and at never getting a look in at anything before it is gone. The constant arguing over his greediness and lack of thought about leaving any for me is really starting to wear me down. He’s been told its not just about the food but the lack of respect he is showing helping himself to things he knows aren’t his or that he’s been told ‘no’ too.

So would I be unreasonable to put a lock on the internal kitchen door and only give him a front door key (he goes through the back at present) to physically prevent him accessing the kitchen when I am not there or overnight?

If you think I am being unreasonable can you suggest other ways of tackling this because I am at a loss.

post edited by MNHQ as it contained a word we don't allow on the boards.

OP posts:
Haveallthesongsbeenwritten · 05/05/2023 12:22

milkshakebringsallthebuoystotheyard · 05/05/2023 11:05

Let the poor child eat and just foot the bill. You sound very resentful of him.

She just said she was on a tight budget! Your comment is not helpful.

Everythingshort · 05/05/2023 12:23

While reading your post I had great sympathy for you trying to deal with your sons unacceptable behaviour. Then I saw you wrote "he's thrown a huge Paddy", absolutely disgusting

milkshakebringsallthebuoystotheyard · 05/05/2023 12:25

Haveallthesongsbeenwritten · 05/05/2023 12:22

She just said she was on a tight budget! Your comment is not helpful.

I was being consistent with other threads of a similar nature.

Sunraes · 05/05/2023 12:28

It sounds awful. Both for you and him.

Could you buy popcorn kernels and make lota ans lots (and lots) of (cheap) popcorn as snacks instead of crisps?

I’d definitely have a secret cupboard in your bedroom or something.

Sunraes · 05/05/2023 12:30

Buy a soda stream for carbonated water and soda?

FoodFrustration · 05/05/2023 12:31

KirstieandPhilaremyTVparents · 05/05/2023 12:04

He's a teenager and needs a lot of food. I was always starving as a teen when I came home from school. The problem is that the only food available seems to be junk (cupcakes, crisps, processed cocktail sausages, snacks) which spikes blood sugar and doesn't fill you up. Perhaps his tastes have been conditioned by eating all this stuff. Surely if you stop buying this and fill the cupboards with wholemeal bread, wholemeal pitta, fruit, veg, houmous, healthy protein, etc he will just have to eat that?

No I don't think you should lock the fridge or kitchen as it's creating disfunction around food / eating which is deeply unhealthy.

Just buy healthy food and he will have to eat that!

This is why I get so annoyed, it is not lack of other options that are the issue there is plently of other options in the house that I wouldn’t mind him eating which he knows but he will still choose to eat a weeks worth of treats / snacks that are intended for the both of us or stuff he knows is for lunches instead often leaving me without a look in at things, its nothing short of eating it for the sake of it, defiance and selfish behaviour imo. He loves wholemeal bread I keep plenty of bread in the house he can have toast whenever he likes, I keep plenty of cereal in the house it often goes untouched for ages even though I know he likes it, I keep plenty of quick to make bits in the freezer that he can just bung in the oven for 20 minutes but doesn’t. I work on a farm and bring eggs home so there is never a shortage of eggs, he often cooks with them on a weekend. There is always plenty of pasta and rice, I love pasta so I cook a lot of pasta based meals for our evening meals, if I happen to make too much he is left that too. I always buy some fruit but it can be so expensive, a bunch of 5 banana’s is gone in 2 days to me that should be one a day. A punnet of strawberries will be eaten in one sitting rather than just taking a few and leaving some for me or the next day. He doesn’t have a lack of other options. He’ll drink a whole carton of fresh orange to himself even though he knows I love it rather than having a glass or two and leaving enough for me to do the same. Its a discussion I’ve had a million times with him and he always says ‘ok’ and ‘sorry’ but then the next time does it again.

OP posts:
mrsbyers · 05/05/2023 12:33

Is he vaping cannabis and getting the munchies overnight especially ?

hedgehoglurker · 05/05/2023 12:34

I make large batches of certain dinners so I can make little frozen ready meals with the leftovers. Eg Macaroni Cheese (with extra veg and protein), Chilli and Rice, Cottage Pie, Curry and Rice, etc. This way it is quite quick for him to microwave a decent sized, filling and fairly nutritious "snack" for after school. My teen DS's will still eat dinner on top of this plus other snacks if needed.

They also know they can always make themselves eggs, beans on toast, peanut butter crackers, etc too.

You do wonder where it all goes, but I've found it really helps to be sure you have easy things in that are protein rich.

NewNovember · 05/05/2023 12:35

FoodFrustration · 05/05/2023 10:09

My apologies for the length but trying to paint the picture.

DS is 14 and very slim and whilst I appreciate most teenage boys are walking dustbins I just feel that his eating and drinking is getting out of control and his ability not to help himself to things that he's been told not to touch are none existent and its becoming a huge bone of contention.

He refuses to eat breakfast in the morning and often won’t get up in enough time to eat it anyway. I generally make him a packed lunch for school because school lunches were becoming far too expensive to budget for and he moaned about the ques, his friends I believe also take a packed lunch so hes not the odd one out. Recently he has either been forgetting to take his lunch and then going to the canteen when he knows there is no money on his lunch card or taking it and still going spending money in the canteen on extras and drinks because he never takes his with him. The first I knew of this was when the school contacted me to pay off the debt he had accrued on his card. I explained to him at the time that he can’t be forgetting or choosing not to take his lunch in then going and racking up debts on his empty card because I can’t afford to be hit with unexpected bills so he needs to be more organised. I paid off the debt only for the following week to be hit with another debt, needless to say given our previous discussion I was not happy. Again I told him it needs to stop and have gone as far as leaving his lunch by his bag before I go to work (I leave before he does) but again have been hit with debt if only for drinks. The drinks he buys at school are bottles of flavoured water at over £1 per bottle, I can buy 4 for that price at Aldi so opted to go buy in some bottled drinks for school, I also bought in a load of large bottles of drink for home including the same drink as in the smaller bottles for school. I told him categorically that they were for school because I wasn’t keep paying debts for school drinks which cost 4x the price when we are on a budget. Despite this only an hour later he helped himself to one, when I realised I told him I was not impressed he knows they are for school and there is plenty of other drinks in the fridge. Despite this he later helped himself to another then during the night another one leaving just one left. He says ‘ok’ and ‘sorry’ but then just keeps on doing it! It sounds trivial in this context but is just the tip of the iceburg and was the straw this week that broke the camels back and yesterday morning I put a lock on the fridge so that he can’t get in it when I’m not home or overnight, and put his lunch and a flask of cordial on his bag before leaving the house, he gets home before me and I came home to find he has thrown a huge strop after school when realising he can’t access the fridge that he has somehow managed to completely snap / break / cut through the thick wire cable fridge lock and smashed a chunk of plaster off the wall in the process, before then helping himself to the final bottle of drink he’s been told not too touch when there was loads of other drinks in there! god knows how he hasn’t bust the fridge. There were snacks in the cupboards and cordial to drink so waiting an hour for anything else wouldn’t have killed him.

For context of other things: I’m not much of a drinker but do like the very occasional can of cider as a treat, the problem is once the box is opened he sees this as fair game and helps himself to these too even though he knows its alcohol and not for him, he will put the empty cans back so it looks like none are missing until I get halfway through and realise several are empty so I clearly can’t even have these in now. I’ll buy things for lunches such as cocktail sausages, at a handful a day there is a weeks worth but by the next day the whole box will be gone even though he knows they are for lunches and off limits for just eating. I’ll buy plenty of snacks for the week but in less that 48 hours its almost all gone because he just can’t seem to stop himself once he starts or eat a sensible portion, sometimes I’ll buy a couple of bits that are just for me because I don’t get a look in at most things and even knowing that he’ll eat my bits if he has ran out, if I try hide them he will literally search until he finds them. 18 packets of crisps can be gone in 3 days as can a box of 16 chocolate cupcakes. He will have snacks (crisps / cakes / biscuits) and a sandwich / toast or a pastie or something after school but before tea / dinner (before I get home), He then gets a large portion of food, then he’ll be snacking again not long after and often sneaks down during the night and helps himself to more when he’s been told no more because he’s already had more than enough. One night he ate a full pack of sliced chicken breast pieces that were for the next days lunches for us both.

I’m a single parent on a tight budget, his dad isn’t in the picture and I get no maintenance. I can’t really afford to keep replacing the stuff he’s eaten but have too try because otherwise he’d have nothing for lunch because he eats his lunch stuff for extra snacks after school or when hes eaten all the good stuff and then just racks up debts at school. I’m at my wits end with it all and at never getting a look in at anything before it is gone. The constant arguing over his greediness and lack of thought about leaving any for me is really starting to wear me down. He’s been told its not just about the food but the lack of respect he is showing helping himself to things he knows aren’t his or that he’s been told ‘no’ too.

So would I be unreasonable to put a lock on the internal kitchen door and only give him a front door key (he goes through the back at present) to physically prevent him accessing the kitchen when I am not there or overnight?

If you think I am being unreasonable can you suggest other ways of tackling this because I am at a loss.

post edited by MNHQ as it contained a word we don't allow on the boards.

Cocktail sausages need to be eaten with 48 of opening the box not over a week.

SchoolTripDrama · 05/05/2023 12:36

What bizarre language to use about your own child "helped himself to one" Bizarre.

ImAGummyBear · 05/05/2023 12:40

What does he have for breakfast and lunch OP?

Teenagers can eat a lot! Start by making sure he has plenty of protein as well as carbs, as healthy as you can make it at every meal and snack. Don’t buy the junk, let him fill up with bread, peanut butter, veg and fruit when it’s there. Go over his breakfast and lunch, maybe it doesn’t fill him up properly?

Once you’ve had a good look at those then try to tweak other areas and see if it helps. I think going for a kitchen lock is extreme and will only result in negativity.

We’ve ended up making homemade burgers and chicken for wraps on weekends to last a couple of weeks. To ensure it’s healthy n filling rather than shop bought. And also reduce the cost. And he takes 2 burgers with fruit n veg to school or up to 3 well filled wraps. He comes home hungry and it’s either peanut butter or noodles with some sort of protein to help him over until dinner time. At his worst I’d make sure dinner is ready and he can have that when he gets home and then maybe the peanut butter or noodles later in the evening but he’s also been known to have a second serving if he’s still hungry at dinner time! This massively reduces the amount of snacking he does.

Does he do any sports or clubs? Might help with boredom and take his interest elsewhere.

Try to get involved in his games, sports or TV programs. I find teenagers still want to talk to us but only on things that interest them. Get that conversation going however it takes. It might help too. It must be really hard on your own with no one to sound off ideas but be patient he’ll come out the other end :)

Myonlysunshine123 · 05/05/2023 12:41

My sons school wont let them go hungry either, that's their policy that they wont refuse a child food. My 15yo eats everything too, any cans, packs of cocktail sausages at a time, biscuits, we all kind of like different things so luckily he doesn't eat his sister's pancakes, and she won't eat his peri peri chicken etc, but I understand, bottomless pit. Cereals and omelettes as suggested, I buy trays of farm eggs for £4 /30 and lasts him , I also make up pastas or have noodles in , seems to hold him off til teatime

FoodFrustration · 05/05/2023 12:47

SpacePotato · 05/05/2023 11:57

Do you have a fridge in work where you could leave your own lunches for the week?

He’s currently under the GP because he keeps complaining of dizzy spells / lightheadedness

Has he had an eye test?
When do these dizzy spells occur? If you can get him to keep a diary of what he was doing when they happened.

Assume they tested for diabetes?

I wouldn't put a lock on the door because you know he will just break the door and door frame kicking it down.

Stop buying the cupcakes and treats.

The spells seem to be triggered by moving to quickly such as going from sitting to standing, something we’ve all experienced at some point but it affects him quite frequently and he says his hearing and vision goes for a moment. Also feeling to warm, but as someone who sits with his radiator off and window open in winter too warm to him is about 12 degrees! Winter is a battle because I feel the cold but he hates the heating being on and complains when its set anywhere above 17 degrees and warm busy shops are not his friend. Hes had one occasion whilst riding his bike to school which was quite bad and he went very pale I had to go get him from the park but thats out of the norm. He says he sometimes has them during sports lessons which occassionally come with palpitations. I don’t know exactly what they tested for but did say he’s not anaemic, they ran an ecg that came back clear. They have referred him to cardiology just to be sure. I’d be surprised if they didn’t check sugars.

OP posts:
FoodFrustration · 05/05/2023 12:51

mrsbyers · 05/05/2023 12:33

Is he vaping cannabis and getting the munchies overnight especially ?

Is this a thing?

OP posts:
WhineWhineWhineWINE · 05/05/2023 12:54

I also have a teenage dustbin who doesn't seem to understand the word "no". Does the school have daily spending limit you could set to at least control how much? Then buy a lock box, hide your treats in it somewhere safe and fill the cupboards with stuff he's allowed to eat. He's not going to stop doing it. The only way is to control what he has access to.

Paq · 05/05/2023 12:55

He's bullying and intimidating you and it needs to stop.

In the short term don't buy any ultra processed food: biscuits, cakes, etc. He's clearly addicted to them and it's fuelling his behaviour. It sucks that you can't have them in the house but it's not helping.

Just provide basic fruit, apples and oranges (not easy peelers).

Don't buy any sodas or flavoured water. Don't even buy fresh orange juice.

People, even bottomless teenagers, don't need sugary processed crap. They need protein, carbs and fats from real foods in the right proportions.

Make him pay for his own lunch card from his pocket money.

His gaming sounds like an unhealthy trigger so that may also have to be limited.

SpacePotato · 05/05/2023 13:00

Low blood pressure maybe.

I get these spells, sudden movement after being still etc. Affected by cardio exercises.

Mariposista · 05/05/2023 13:00

This is a disgusting lack of respect for you.

iwantmyownicecreamvan · 05/05/2023 13:03

Sunraes · 05/05/2023 12:30

Buy a soda stream for carbonated water and soda?

Soda Streams are more expensive than buying bottled fizzy water - I should know as I've got one.

amiold · 05/05/2023 13:10

I would just buy day to day which will be hard work for you but if it's not there he can't eat it. Or I would let him eat it and then tell him you have no money to buy anything else and you'll all have to just eat what there is.. give him a plate of rice for his tea and mention the foodbank as you can't keep up with him eating everything. Stop buying snacks etc because he can't be trusted.

Leave your own stuff in your car.

I'd also ring school and ask them to stop him using the card. If they won't say you don't agree to pay the bill. If they ring you to pay say you can't and send him in to speak to the person who called you for the money and tell him to tell them you have no money to pay the bill ... pass the embarrassment on to him.

You need to make him realise the consequence and the cost of things. Punishing him won't help but stop buying decent things and tell him you have no money once it's gone and stick to it.

Sunraes · 05/05/2023 13:10

iwantmyownicecreamvan · 05/05/2023 13:03

Soda Streams are more expensive than buying bottled fizzy water - I should know as I've got one.

We’ve had one for 10 years, and go through a lot of water per day. It is definitely not more expensive.

KirstieandPhilaremyTVparents · 05/05/2023 13:11

This is why I get so annoyed, it is not lack of other options that are the issue there is plently of other options in the house that I wouldn’t mind him eating which he knows but he will still choose to eat a weeks worth of treats / snacks that are intended for the both of us

But surely if those treats / snacks weren't there he would have no choice but to eat healthy things like wholemeal bread, veg, houmous etc?

deuxgarcons · 05/05/2023 13:16

My son used to get dizzy spells and then crash down when he was a teen. It was blood sugar levels if he went too long without food and then had sugary snacks/drinks. Once he got into better routine with slow burn sugars eg carbs and protein and ditched the quick fix sugar spikes he was fine. Don't buy any more biscuits, cakes, chocolate, sugary drinks and have longer carb snacks like cereal bars (but not the sugary ones). Have you got a fridge at work where you can store your food and make your lunches at work. Just don't buy the foods that will contribute to this or once they're gone that's it.

Guiltridden12345 · 05/05/2023 13:18

I blocked my child’s school canteen access because they only bought crap. Phone the school, it’s really common!

don’t buy the drinks he likes.

don’t leave alcohol around.

don’t use locks, it’s not working and side steps the control issues you are having more generally.

You need a strategy to manage behaviour more generally as you have no control.

teens have undeveloped frontal lobes and don’t behave rationally. It’s for us to provide those all important boundaries that aim to keep behaviour in check. Consequences can be simple like phone access/bans (like lopping a limb here) and stopping the money if you don’t follow the rules. Once they know you mean business it’s amazing how those two things alone can bring behaviour back in line. They have here anyway - you know what will work for your son. My sister removes the Xbox and hers are older teens.

Once that’s sorted, you can reintroduce treats like nice drinks. In the meantime buy and leave only healthy snacks (apples, carrots, bread etc) and tap water that you don’t mind him razing through.

Regain control. Weirdly they quite like it. I think it makes them feel secure. Mine is certainly much happier with clear boundaries and a knowledge of consequence and follow through.

Clementinesucks · 05/05/2023 13:19

I’d only have the basics at home. Weetbix, apples, bread, eggs etc,

Id write to the school and tell them you point blank refuse to pay for school lunches and he gets a full packed lunch each day.

Every time he takes the piss remove something he likes, such as an Xbox,

He sounds like an utter shit,