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To put a lock on the kitchen door?

154 replies

FoodFrustration · 05/05/2023 10:09

My apologies for the length but trying to paint the picture.

DS is 14 and very slim and whilst I appreciate most teenage boys are walking dustbins I just feel that his eating and drinking is getting out of control and his ability not to help himself to things that he's been told not to touch are none existent and its becoming a huge bone of contention.

He refuses to eat breakfast in the morning and often won’t get up in enough time to eat it anyway. I generally make him a packed lunch for school because school lunches were becoming far too expensive to budget for and he moaned about the ques, his friends I believe also take a packed lunch so hes not the odd one out. Recently he has either been forgetting to take his lunch and then going to the canteen when he knows there is no money on his lunch card or taking it and still going spending money in the canteen on extras and drinks because he never takes his with him. The first I knew of this was when the school contacted me to pay off the debt he had accrued on his card. I explained to him at the time that he can’t be forgetting or choosing not to take his lunch in then going and racking up debts on his empty card because I can’t afford to be hit with unexpected bills so he needs to be more organised. I paid off the debt only for the following week to be hit with another debt, needless to say given our previous discussion I was not happy. Again I told him it needs to stop and have gone as far as leaving his lunch by his bag before I go to work (I leave before he does) but again have been hit with debt if only for drinks. The drinks he buys at school are bottles of flavoured water at over £1 per bottle, I can buy 4 for that price at Aldi so opted to go buy in some bottled drinks for school, I also bought in a load of large bottles of drink for home including the same drink as in the smaller bottles for school. I told him categorically that they were for school because I wasn’t keep paying debts for school drinks which cost 4x the price when we are on a budget. Despite this only an hour later he helped himself to one, when I realised I told him I was not impressed he knows they are for school and there is plenty of other drinks in the fridge. Despite this he later helped himself to another then during the night another one leaving just one left. He says ‘ok’ and ‘sorry’ but then just keeps on doing it! It sounds trivial in this context but is just the tip of the iceburg and was the straw this week that broke the camels back and yesterday morning I put a lock on the fridge so that he can’t get in it when I’m not home or overnight, and put his lunch and a flask of cordial on his bag before leaving the house, he gets home before me and I came home to find he has thrown a huge strop after school when realising he can’t access the fridge that he has somehow managed to completely snap / break / cut through the thick wire cable fridge lock and smashed a chunk of plaster off the wall in the process, before then helping himself to the final bottle of drink he’s been told not too touch when there was loads of other drinks in there! god knows how he hasn’t bust the fridge. There were snacks in the cupboards and cordial to drink so waiting an hour for anything else wouldn’t have killed him.

For context of other things: I’m not much of a drinker but do like the very occasional can of cider as a treat, the problem is once the box is opened he sees this as fair game and helps himself to these too even though he knows its alcohol and not for him, he will put the empty cans back so it looks like none are missing until I get halfway through and realise several are empty so I clearly can’t even have these in now. I’ll buy things for lunches such as cocktail sausages, at a handful a day there is a weeks worth but by the next day the whole box will be gone even though he knows they are for lunches and off limits for just eating. I’ll buy plenty of snacks for the week but in less that 48 hours its almost all gone because he just can’t seem to stop himself once he starts or eat a sensible portion, sometimes I’ll buy a couple of bits that are just for me because I don’t get a look in at most things and even knowing that he’ll eat my bits if he has ran out, if I try hide them he will literally search until he finds them. 18 packets of crisps can be gone in 3 days as can a box of 16 chocolate cupcakes. He will have snacks (crisps / cakes / biscuits) and a sandwich / toast or a pastie or something after school but before tea / dinner (before I get home), He then gets a large portion of food, then he’ll be snacking again not long after and often sneaks down during the night and helps himself to more when he’s been told no more because he’s already had more than enough. One night he ate a full pack of sliced chicken breast pieces that were for the next days lunches for us both.

I’m a single parent on a tight budget, his dad isn’t in the picture and I get no maintenance. I can’t really afford to keep replacing the stuff he’s eaten but have too try because otherwise he’d have nothing for lunch because he eats his lunch stuff for extra snacks after school or when hes eaten all the good stuff and then just racks up debts at school. I’m at my wits end with it all and at never getting a look in at anything before it is gone. The constant arguing over his greediness and lack of thought about leaving any for me is really starting to wear me down. He’s been told its not just about the food but the lack of respect he is showing helping himself to things he knows aren’t his or that he’s been told ‘no’ too.

So would I be unreasonable to put a lock on the internal kitchen door and only give him a front door key (he goes through the back at present) to physically prevent him accessing the kitchen when I am not there or overnight?

If you think I am being unreasonable can you suggest other ways of tackling this because I am at a loss.

post edited by MNHQ as it contained a word we don't allow on the boards.

OP posts:
Goldbar · 05/05/2023 13:25

I would tell the school you're not paying for him to buy crap in the canteen and you won't be paying the next bill. They can say what they like but they'll soon stop giving him credit for junk if you don't pay it.

And then buy cheap and in bulk. And stop buying all the snack/treat food. Maybe have a mini fridge in your room for your own things?

BugLight · 05/05/2023 13:27

You’re saying he has choices but is choosing to eat the snacks

I might be wrong but I think PPs are not saying ‘have a healthy alternative’ I think they are saying:

have no alternative to the healthy, filling or cheaper food

if it’s a medical condition-induced hunger he’ll still eat the healthier/cheaper stuff

if it’s just a preference for the treats/lunch stuff, he’ll have no other choice

there are loads of healthy, cheap lunch options and just plain water - so buy those and tell school nothing else is to be bought by him while investigations by his dr are underway

then make app with dr and tell dr your concerns

it’s important to not leave a child hungry - but that can mean plenty of access to healthy/cheaper food (and no other types of food at all)

DRS1970 · 05/05/2023 13:27

I would confiscate his lunch card to stop him using it. I also think he needs to understand that when things are used up, that will be it until next week's shopping.personally with the alcohol, I would lock it in a cupboard. He shouldn't be helping himself to alcohol at that age.

moose62 · 05/05/2023 13:29

I agree with most of the others!
Do not buy any more cake, biscuits, sausages etc... only buy things that are very healthy and take some time to prepare so he can't just grab it.
If you want biscuits / cakes etc..ask if you can keep them at the farm or in the boot of your car so he can't access them.
Inform the school that you will not be paying any further monies and make sure it is writing.

Nn9011 · 05/05/2023 13:32

This sounds like Pots, it's due to loss in blood pressure when you stand up and could explain the other behaviours. Sometimes we self medicate when we don't even realise it. I have a family member with Pots and they would rely on energy drinks and sugar to help them when they were feeling poorly. It also has comorbidities with neuro divergence which could explain the dopamine seeking behaviours (acting out and eating junk food). It may also be why he doesn't make meals for himself and wants to eat the snack foods instead.
It's a very draining condition and can be diagnosed with a tilt table test but in the meantime I'd urge you to be patient with him.

iwantmyownicecreamvan · 05/05/2023 13:32

Sunraes · 05/05/2023 13:10

We’ve had one for 10 years, and go through a lot of water per day. It is definitely not more expensive.

Golly that astounds me - how much do you pay for your gas refills? Do you get them from Soda Stream? Honestly I don't use that much as it's only me, but I'd be much better off buying the cheapest supermarket fizzy water. I only do it to avoid single use plastics.

(Sorry for the derail.)

iwantmyownicecreamvan · 05/05/2023 13:32

I've had mine about 5 years.

BugLight · 05/05/2023 13:34

I wouldn’t bother trying to hide your own ‘stash’

I’d just tell son ‘your health is so important that we are going to do this together and the budget I have is so limited that I am saving the money from the dearer foods right now until we know what’s happening in case we need it for further treatment/a particular diet/food in future, once the dr has investigated’

i mean it could be he needs a calorie boost of protein powder, or protein bars etc and they are dearer so you are not lying, you are managing his expectations, showing you care, taking part yourself (so it’s not just all on him) and planning for the future

Merangutan · 05/05/2023 13:34

milkshakebringsallthebuoystotheyard · 05/05/2023 11:05

Let the poor child eat and just foot the bill. You sound very resentful of him.

He’s getting more than enough to eat! He’s not a ‘poor child’ - he’s breaking things in his home and refusing to do as OP is asking, despite the requests being totally reasonable.

milkshakebringsallthebuoystotheyard · 05/05/2023 13:37

Merangutan · 05/05/2023 13:34

He’s getting more than enough to eat! He’s not a ‘poor child’ - he’s breaking things in his home and refusing to do as OP is asking, despite the requests being totally reasonable.

For fear of repeating myself, I was being consistent with other threads of a similar nature.

BarbaraofSeville · 05/05/2023 13:40

iwantmyownicecreamvan · 05/05/2023 13:32

Golly that astounds me - how much do you pay for your gas refills? Do you get them from Soda Stream? Honestly I don't use that much as it's only me, but I'd be much better off buying the cheapest supermarket fizzy water. I only do it to avoid single use plastics.

(Sorry for the derail.)

I suppose it depends how many drinks you make.

I too wanted to avoid plastic bottles, but found the cost of a sodastream unit, even before the cost of the gas cartridges, outweighed the amount I spent on sparkling water over many years, and I don't drink any other fizzy drinks except tonic water and the reviews of the syrup for that weren't good and it has artificial sweeteners in, which I avoid.

FoodFrustration · 05/05/2023 13:42

ImAGummyBear · 05/05/2023 12:40

What does he have for breakfast and lunch OP?

Teenagers can eat a lot! Start by making sure he has plenty of protein as well as carbs, as healthy as you can make it at every meal and snack. Don’t buy the junk, let him fill up with bread, peanut butter, veg and fruit when it’s there. Go over his breakfast and lunch, maybe it doesn’t fill him up properly?

Once you’ve had a good look at those then try to tweak other areas and see if it helps. I think going for a kitchen lock is extreme and will only result in negativity.

We’ve ended up making homemade burgers and chicken for wraps on weekends to last a couple of weeks. To ensure it’s healthy n filling rather than shop bought. And also reduce the cost. And he takes 2 burgers with fruit n veg to school or up to 3 well filled wraps. He comes home hungry and it’s either peanut butter or noodles with some sort of protein to help him over until dinner time. At his worst I’d make sure dinner is ready and he can have that when he gets home and then maybe the peanut butter or noodles later in the evening but he’s also been known to have a second serving if he’s still hungry at dinner time! This massively reduces the amount of snacking he does.

Does he do any sports or clubs? Might help with boredom and take his interest elsewhere.

Try to get involved in his games, sports or TV programs. I find teenagers still want to talk to us but only on things that interest them. Get that conversation going however it takes. It might help too. It must be really hard on your own with no one to sound off ideas but be patient he’ll come out the other end :)

Thank you.

He doesn’t eat breakfast as a general rule, I start shouting him at 6, which is the time he sets his alarm for but lucky if he will drag his arse out of bed by 7.30 by which time I’m normally getting pretty annoyed with his lack of movement. He has to leave just before 8 so by the time he’s showered and dressed he doesn’t have time. I keep telling him how important it is to have breakfast but he doesn’t listen.

For lunch He gets a sandwich, usually corned beef and cucumber, chicken salad or ham salad on wholemeal seeded bread. I then normally chuck in a few snacky items such as cocktail sausages as they’re his faves and a pork pie, bit of fruit if hes not already eaten it all and then a snack size pack of mini cookies or similar as a treat and a drink sometimes I’ll include a couple of wholemeal rice cakes if their are any left.

I cannot have tea ready for when he gets home as I work and he gets home before me. When he gets home, he has plenty of options such as quick stuff from the freezer, cereal, toast etc if he's hungry but will instead often make a sandwich with the lunch stuff and then eat 3 days worth of snacks instead (if theres leftovers he might microwave them instead of a sandwich but still takes a load of snacks too).

When I get home I make a decent meal and he always gets a big portion, sometimes he doesn’t even quite finish it depending on what he's had.

If he's eaten all his tea the first words out of his mouth is always whats for pudding, often something like a yoghurt and he’ll also grab a bag of crisps too even if told he doesn’t need the crisps. If he's not eaten all his tea he won’t eat anything straight after.

At about 8/9pm he starts raiding the cupboards. He might eat half a pack of biscuits or a bit of a few different things.

Then during the night if hes awake (because he’s had a nap after school) he’ll then go eat more because he’s bored essentially. This can be anything from a couple of bananas and a couple of packet of crisps to a couple of packets of crisps, half a box of mini sausages and the next days lunch meat or 8 cupcakes as were the latest cases.

He doesn’t do any clubs, isn’t into sport and has very little motivation to do anything beyond the occasional hang out with his friends if the weather is ok, all hes interested in is sitting on his computer. I’ve tried to encourage him to get himself a Saturday job to give him some money and to teach him the value of hard work but he has no interest.

OP posts:
GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 05/05/2023 13:49

Wow.

I can’t work out if this must be a medical problem as it’s so extreme (as a pp suggested) or if it’s just complete and utter disrespect. Or a mixture of the two?

Definitely email the school and say no debts will be paid - it’s ridiculous they allow this as it prevents parents having any kind of control over their teens spending.

The drinks would really annoy me. No one needs sweetened drinks every day. He should be taking a big bottle of water to school, and maybe having a sweetened drink once in a blue moon. The drinks also make me think it’s just disrespect.

I would consult a doctor to be on the safe side. But I’d also be coming down on the fridge raising and disobeyed direct instructions with consequences- tech, WiFi off, no lifts when he wants them, all that sort of thing.

TheInterceptor · 05/05/2023 13:50

What is he doing on the computer? I can imagine wanting to be away from someone who doesn't seem to like me very much too.

HadalyEve · 05/05/2023 13:53

Locking away food from a hungry teenager is completely unreasonable. You say he is slim, so he’s not overeating despite you being convinced he is eating too much. I read your accounts of what he eats in a day and it’s not an unusual amount for a teenage boy.

I read you constantly have a go at him for “greediness” this is abusive and likely to lead to disordered eating, if not an actual eating disorder and other MH issues later in life. You are wrong to link him going hungry with showing you respect, and eating when hungry as disrespecting you.

I get money is tight, but you need to not begrudge him food. You can always go to a food bank to top up your food supply. I agree you may have too much junk food which is only going to stimulate appetite not satisfy teenage hunger. So I’d look at your food budget and buy fewer (usually expensive) junk snacks and more of healthy alternatives that are often cheaper.

KirstieandPhilaremyTVparents · 05/05/2023 13:59

Agree with above. Just banish all those unhealthy things and say you're doing it together. No-one needs that shit in their body.

He doesn't need treats in his lunch box. Leave no option but healthy nourishing filling foods. No crisps, cakes, biscuits or UPF in the house full stop. It will be cheaper for you too.

Agree you sound disrespectful as well - "you start shouting at him at 6am" - no surprise he wants to stay in bed! A lot of this is typical teenage stuff.

cadburyegg · 05/05/2023 14:02

I don't think a 14 year old would be able to get a job, other than something casual like a paper round?

What he is eating doesn't seem OTT for a slim 14 year old. I agree that you need to keep your own stuff separate / in your car etc and anything in the kitchen is available for him to eat. Things like crisps, fruit, fizzy flavoured water - he needs to know that when all the processed stuff has gone you won't replace it until the following week. So he can eat a pack of cocktail sausages over 2 days if he wants to but he won't get any more. Have other, healthier and filling options like bread, cracker, hummus, peanut butter, meal leftovers etc available to him.

Simianwalk · 05/05/2023 14:04

milkshakebringsallthebuoystotheyard · 05/05/2023 11:05

Let the poor child eat and just foot the bill. You sound very resentful of him.

Ha!
I have two of these in the house OP it's so fucking annoying. The eldest if given a free rein has eaten in one day: 6 apples, 4 bananas, a punnet of blueberries, punnet of cherry tomatoes, 4 eggs, 8 pieces of bread, a full pack of biscuits, half a big pack of cheese, 3 packets of crisps. On top of breakfast of porridge, lunch if sandwiches/veg and full dinner. He is very tall, and very sporty. It's expensive and also fucking annoying when I had laid out very clearly what not to eat.

Simianwalk · 05/05/2023 14:04

Did I point out how fucking annoying it is!

HadalyEve · 05/05/2023 14:10

Agree you sound disrespectful as well - "you start shouting at him at 6am" - no surprise he wants to stay in bed! A lot of this is typical teenage stuff.

I agree too. No one needs to get up almost 2hrs before they have to leave the house. It is also well known that teenagers need the extra sleep in the morning. If you weren’t shouting at him at 6am then maybe he wouldn’t need an after school nap and could have some after school activities?

Comefromaway · 05/05/2023 14:13

The OP is NOT denying him food.

She is trying to prevent him from eating expensive packed lunch type food inlieu if the normal food and drink in the house (bottles of drink, cocktail sausages etc) that has been bought because she can't afford for him to pay the overpriced school canteen prices.

FoodFrustration · 05/05/2023 14:13

HadalyEve · 05/05/2023 13:53

Locking away food from a hungry teenager is completely unreasonable. You say he is slim, so he’s not overeating despite you being convinced he is eating too much. I read your accounts of what he eats in a day and it’s not an unusual amount for a teenage boy.

I read you constantly have a go at him for “greediness” this is abusive and likely to lead to disordered eating, if not an actual eating disorder and other MH issues later in life. You are wrong to link him going hungry with showing you respect, and eating when hungry as disrespecting you.

I get money is tight, but you need to not begrudge him food. You can always go to a food bank to top up your food supply. I agree you may have too much junk food which is only going to stimulate appetite not satisfy teenage hunger. So I’d look at your food budget and buy fewer (usually expensive) junk snacks and more of healthy alternatives that are often cheaper.

But I am not asking or expecting him to go hungry though an I, there is plenty of food he could eat that wouldn’t be an issue. I’m not calling him greedy and disrespectful for being hungry. What I find disrespectful is that he is eating a full week or mores worth of treats/snacks designed to be there for both of us to enjoy solely to himself and in just a few days including things that hes been categorically told are not for him. Eating the next days lunch stuff in the middle of the night knowing that would leave us without lunch when if he was really hungry he could have had toast or cereal or something. Or drinking the individual bottles of drink bought specifically for school lunches and that hes been told not to touch when there is a whole fridge full of drinks to go at including a large bottle version of the school drinks plus cordial or hot drinks, god forbid he should waste a few extra seconds getting a glass. Drinking a full carton of a drink he knows I love in one go rather than having a glass or two and leaving me the same rather than going for a glass to realise its all gone before I’ve even got a look in. Yes that is selfish, and greedy and disrespectful and completely un nessisary. He isn’t eating these things because there is nothing else.

OP posts:
Comefromaway · 05/05/2023 14:15

One thing I used to do because I couldn't face breakfast was to have breakfast for supper.

So if you remove the crisps and other junk food but have cereal, milk, porridge and bread for toast available instead. I used to find that weetabix and milk last thing at night really helped my blood sugars too.

Reugny · 05/05/2023 14:21

Comefromaway · 05/05/2023 14:15

One thing I used to do because I couldn't face breakfast was to have breakfast for supper.

So if you remove the crisps and other junk food but have cereal, milk, porridge and bread for toast available instead. I used to find that weetabix and milk last thing at night really helped my blood sugars too.

I use to eat cereal like weetabix as a snack as well. It's very common.

Basically as the OP's son is going through a gannet phase the OP needs to not have junk food e.g. biscuits, yoghurts, pork pies, cocktail sausages in the house. If it isn't there he can't then eat it.

Jojoanna · 05/05/2023 14:23

My DS at that age always took 2 rounds of sandwiches for lunch with an apple packet of crisps. But we didn't have loads of snacks in the house. After his dinner at night ,he would have cereal or toast before bed though.

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