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To put a lock on the kitchen door?

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FoodFrustration · 05/05/2023 10:09

My apologies for the length but trying to paint the picture.

DS is 14 and very slim and whilst I appreciate most teenage boys are walking dustbins I just feel that his eating and drinking is getting out of control and his ability not to help himself to things that he's been told not to touch are none existent and its becoming a huge bone of contention.

He refuses to eat breakfast in the morning and often won’t get up in enough time to eat it anyway. I generally make him a packed lunch for school because school lunches were becoming far too expensive to budget for and he moaned about the ques, his friends I believe also take a packed lunch so hes not the odd one out. Recently he has either been forgetting to take his lunch and then going to the canteen when he knows there is no money on his lunch card or taking it and still going spending money in the canteen on extras and drinks because he never takes his with him. The first I knew of this was when the school contacted me to pay off the debt he had accrued on his card. I explained to him at the time that he can’t be forgetting or choosing not to take his lunch in then going and racking up debts on his empty card because I can’t afford to be hit with unexpected bills so he needs to be more organised. I paid off the debt only for the following week to be hit with another debt, needless to say given our previous discussion I was not happy. Again I told him it needs to stop and have gone as far as leaving his lunch by his bag before I go to work (I leave before he does) but again have been hit with debt if only for drinks. The drinks he buys at school are bottles of flavoured water at over £1 per bottle, I can buy 4 for that price at Aldi so opted to go buy in some bottled drinks for school, I also bought in a load of large bottles of drink for home including the same drink as in the smaller bottles for school. I told him categorically that they were for school because I wasn’t keep paying debts for school drinks which cost 4x the price when we are on a budget. Despite this only an hour later he helped himself to one, when I realised I told him I was not impressed he knows they are for school and there is plenty of other drinks in the fridge. Despite this he later helped himself to another then during the night another one leaving just one left. He says ‘ok’ and ‘sorry’ but then just keeps on doing it! It sounds trivial in this context but is just the tip of the iceburg and was the straw this week that broke the camels back and yesterday morning I put a lock on the fridge so that he can’t get in it when I’m not home or overnight, and put his lunch and a flask of cordial on his bag before leaving the house, he gets home before me and I came home to find he has thrown a huge strop after school when realising he can’t access the fridge that he has somehow managed to completely snap / break / cut through the thick wire cable fridge lock and smashed a chunk of plaster off the wall in the process, before then helping himself to the final bottle of drink he’s been told not too touch when there was loads of other drinks in there! god knows how he hasn’t bust the fridge. There were snacks in the cupboards and cordial to drink so waiting an hour for anything else wouldn’t have killed him.

For context of other things: I’m not much of a drinker but do like the very occasional can of cider as a treat, the problem is once the box is opened he sees this as fair game and helps himself to these too even though he knows its alcohol and not for him, he will put the empty cans back so it looks like none are missing until I get halfway through and realise several are empty so I clearly can’t even have these in now. I’ll buy things for lunches such as cocktail sausages, at a handful a day there is a weeks worth but by the next day the whole box will be gone even though he knows they are for lunches and off limits for just eating. I’ll buy plenty of snacks for the week but in less that 48 hours its almost all gone because he just can’t seem to stop himself once he starts or eat a sensible portion, sometimes I’ll buy a couple of bits that are just for me because I don’t get a look in at most things and even knowing that he’ll eat my bits if he has ran out, if I try hide them he will literally search until he finds them. 18 packets of crisps can be gone in 3 days as can a box of 16 chocolate cupcakes. He will have snacks (crisps / cakes / biscuits) and a sandwich / toast or a pastie or something after school but before tea / dinner (before I get home), He then gets a large portion of food, then he’ll be snacking again not long after and often sneaks down during the night and helps himself to more when he’s been told no more because he’s already had more than enough. One night he ate a full pack of sliced chicken breast pieces that were for the next days lunches for us both.

I’m a single parent on a tight budget, his dad isn’t in the picture and I get no maintenance. I can’t really afford to keep replacing the stuff he’s eaten but have too try because otherwise he’d have nothing for lunch because he eats his lunch stuff for extra snacks after school or when hes eaten all the good stuff and then just racks up debts at school. I’m at my wits end with it all and at never getting a look in at anything before it is gone. The constant arguing over his greediness and lack of thought about leaving any for me is really starting to wear me down. He’s been told its not just about the food but the lack of respect he is showing helping himself to things he knows aren’t his or that he’s been told ‘no’ too.

So would I be unreasonable to put a lock on the internal kitchen door and only give him a front door key (he goes through the back at present) to physically prevent him accessing the kitchen when I am not there or overnight?

If you think I am being unreasonable can you suggest other ways of tackling this because I am at a loss.

post edited by MNHQ as it contained a word we don't allow on the boards.

OP posts:
Isthisexpected · 05/05/2023 14:27

It sounds like his behaviour is a symptom of him starting to go off the rails to me. Do you have him enrolled in any extra curricular activities? He needs some positive role models and structure.

FoodFrustration · 05/05/2023 14:27

KirstieandPhilaremyTVparents · 05/05/2023 13:59

Agree with above. Just banish all those unhealthy things and say you're doing it together. No-one needs that shit in their body.

He doesn't need treats in his lunch box. Leave no option but healthy nourishing filling foods. No crisps, cakes, biscuits or UPF in the house full stop. It will be cheaper for you too.

Agree you sound disrespectful as well - "you start shouting at him at 6am" - no surprise he wants to stay in bed! A lot of this is typical teenage stuff.

I have to shout because he sets his alarm super loud but sleeps through it, I don’t shout in a nasty way but if I don’t shout loud enough that its time to get up he doesn’t hear me and doesn’t turn off his alarm which goes off for ages and is really irritating. He doesn’t like me knocking on his door or going in his room so how else do you propose I wake him up? He will almost certainly turn it off and say ‘ok’ and then go back to sleep. I then shout to him appox. every 20 minutes that he needs to get up or he’ll be late. Yes by the the time I’m leaving I’m often extremely frustrated at being told ‘yep I’m getting up now’ for the dozenth time but then not doing, he needs to be up before I leave otherwise he would just sleep in and wouldn’t go to school (this has happened), and I’m fed up of keep getting arsey messages off the school about him being late all the time, then not turning up for his tardiness detention and it getting escalated. By all means tell me how you would get him out of bed in this circumstance?

OP posts:
Guiltridden12345 · 05/05/2023 14:37

ask him not to set alarm or to set it for the time he needs to get up. If he has to leave at 8, 715-730? If he refuses, remove the alarm and wake him yourself for a bit to break the habit. His sleep between 6-730 is so disturbed it’s useless, so he’s probably knackered. That doesn’t help cravings for crap.

you keep saying you expect him to ‘save’ you stuff you like, like OJ. It’s frustrating but teenagers just don’t think like that and there is a biological brain development reason for that. Lower your expectations and don’t buy nice stuff for a while to get his eating back in order. Have OJ and any treats at work, keep a stash there if you need to, or in the car.

come on op, you need to take a Deep breath and resolve to take charge. You are the adult, take control.

FoodFrustration · 05/05/2023 14:37

Isthisexpected · 05/05/2023 14:27

It sounds like his behaviour is a symptom of him starting to go off the rails to me. Do you have him enrolled in any extra curricular activities? He needs some positive role models and structure.

Sadly I believe you are probably right. There are extra curricular activities held after school at school but he's not interested in attending any of them. He did netball in primary but I think he thinks thats a bit uncool now! Outside of school everything is just so expensive. He did swimming lessons for a while but I could no longer afford it so had to stop. He did kickboxing when he was younger and later guitar lessons paid for by Mum but she was made redundant during covid and can no longer afford it.

OP posts:
Paq · 05/05/2023 14:38

We all need to reframe Ultra Processed Food as "edible non-food" rather than "treats". A cigarette used to be seen as a "treat" or something to have if you were hungry, and a can of coke or a pack of Doritos is probably about as healthy as a fag.

Guiltridden12345 · 05/05/2023 14:39

And how would I manage not getting up and lateness? Consequences. If you’re late, you’ll lose your phone for 24 hours, Xbox ban, pocket money docked. Whatever works but shouting is not working and it doesn’t sound like there are any consequences for poor behaviour at home. No wonder he’s not sticking to your expectations if there are no consequences for failure?

Paq · 05/05/2023 14:41

It is tough OP, sport etc. is expensive and once kids are in secondary it has to be their choice to take part. But it does sound like he's filling his spare time with gaming and kicking off at you.

Does he have a good peer group and/or positive male role models in his life?

KTheGrey · 05/05/2023 14:45

Well I would just have no snacks in the house. 3 meals a day full stop. He'll.switch to muesli or pasta if he's still hungry.

Use any money saved for kickboxing or guitar or another activity he would enjoy.

FoodFrustration · 05/05/2023 14:45

Paq · 05/05/2023 14:41

It is tough OP, sport etc. is expensive and once kids are in secondary it has to be their choice to take part. But it does sound like he's filling his spare time with gaming and kicking off at you.

Does he have a good peer group and/or positive male role models in his life?

No males in his life really. I’m single, my mum is single, my dad is dead, I don’t see my sisters much and only one of them is with someone and I’m not sure he’d class as a ‘positive role model’ his dad isn’t in his life nor that side of the family so for the most part its just us. He only really hangs out with two other lads, they seem nice enough on the surface.

OP posts:
spotddog · 05/05/2023 14:53

Is he eating mindlessly e.g while watching TV, computer etc? Advice is always to focus on food while eating so you are aware.

Is he staying up late on computer. That leaves quite a bit of time since he last ate hence the midnight fridge raids and difficulty getting up.

Is there a local sports person, policeman, colleague who might invite him to something so that he feels included?

FoodFrustration · 05/05/2023 14:54

Thank you for all the feedback.

I will speak to the school about the lunch card and whether it can be blocked as my starting point and go from there.

OP posts:
Paq · 05/05/2023 15:02

I'm loathe to suggest intervention if it's not needed but it does sound like he needs a good male role models. I don't know if there are programs for teens at risk of getting into trouble, or something like scouts/cadets/boxing to instil some self discipline and good habits?

Huge sympathies, it sounds tough and lonely.

deuxgarcons · 05/05/2023 15:06

His sleeping could be due to the crash after coming down from the sugar rush. my DS did this. As I said before don't have the biscuits, chocolate, sugary drinks at all in the house and replace with longer carbs. Eg Oatcakes and cheese. Both my DS would come home from school hungry and either make pasta or have something like oatcakes and cheese. No sugary drinks in house or biscuits etc. I would then cook meal when I got in from work. They should then have something like toast or cereal before bed. Get him to set alarm for 7.15 and have breakfast. You need to start to control the food that is available and not buy the stuff that is just continuing to feed the problem. Even if that means you go without them for a while to you hide yours and don't have them with him around. They don't need sugary "treats" in their lunch box, just enough carbs. Pudding is fruit.

Skybluepinky · 05/05/2023 15:06

Contact the school and explain yr situation and that u r providing lunch and u can’t afford for him to use the system they have.
Ask if they have any student/parenting classes so u can gain the skills needed.

sadsack78 · 05/05/2023 15:23

It sounds like there are 2 main things potentially going on.
A- your son is at an age where he eats a lot, like many teenage boys

B- he has become addicted to sugar/ processed food, hence his need to consume increasingly large quantities of it, and his inability to stop even when you tell him repeatedly. This is probably the crux of the issue. Especially if he is self-soothing with food.

With C- being potential emotional issues, neurodivergency or mental health issues, which only you can really answer- I don't want to make a random guess at a diagnosis from the info in your post.

Maybe you want to start giving him two sandwiches at lunch and extra fruit, and bigger portions for dinner?

At that age my husband ate a lot but his parents would give him pasta or rice mixed with peas and sweetcorn so he could eat lots of food on a budget without eating junk.

I'm sorry you and your boy are going through this, OP. It sounds very tough on the both of you.

someoneisalwaysintheloo · 05/05/2023 15:46

It does sound likes he's never had any real consequences for anything as he's so disrespectful to you. He has to learn emotional regulation, self-control, and consideration for others.

If he's staying up all night, no wonder he won't get up.

KirstieandPhilaremyTVparents · 05/05/2023 15:54

What I find disrespectful is that he is eating a full week or mores worth of treats/snacks designed to be there for both of us to enjoy solely to himself

The problem seems to be that you are applying adult logic to a teenager. It's a bit like a parent saying "why can't my toddler just talk calmly instead of crying"... they are wired not to! His brain is not fully developed and won't be for another ten years, so he needs structure and support. He clearly doesn't have it in him yet to manage himself with the same discipline an adult would. He will get there but he's not ready yet as he's still a child. Instead of being perpetually angry with him about that it would help to make it easier by removing all these opportunities and options to make bad choices.

  • removing all UPF and sugary snacks from the home
  • providing healthy options only
  • agreeing a more reasonable wake up time to prioritise his sleep (which teenagers need)
UnshakenNeedsStirring · 05/05/2023 16:00

My son always has porridge, croissants, or avo on sourdough, then he has 2 sandwiches as he does not feel full with just one, then he will have an apple or pear, packet of crisps and yoghurt. Followed by spaghetti bolognese or lasagna and some salad for tea. He might also have some more fruit or biscuits with a cuppa. Growing boys eat a lot. Just make sure you have his tea in the fridge so he can heat and eat. You can buy lots of fruit and they arent that expensive. I got 6 apples from ocado for under 2 quid. I am a single parent too. Just make sure he has enough good healthy food available. I also dont get why you shout and wake him up at 6 am? He needs his sleep. You do sound very resentful of him thought your post. As your boy will need some treatment or other I do feel bad for him.

SpacePotato · 05/05/2023 16:21

If he's staying up late gaming could you set a timer for the wifi to go off at say 10pm?

I do agree with the PP who suggested letting him sleep until 7 giving him that extra undisturbed hour of deeper sleep.
The 6am alarm is pointless for both of you.

crimsonlake · 05/05/2023 16:23

As has been mentioned previously if you do not purchase the snack food it is not there in the fridge or cupboards to be eaten, it really is that simple.
When my two were growing teenagers, snack choices were either cereal, toast or pasta. Treats were reserved for the school holidays.
You may be leaving quick things in the freezer to cook, but from experience mine would always go for the easiest options and avoid cooking.
Quite simply he needs to go back on school lunches no matter how much he dislikes queuing.

neilyoungismyhero · 05/05/2023 16:52

Skybluepinky · 05/05/2023 15:06

Contact the school and explain yr situation and that u r providing lunch and u can’t afford for him to use the system they have.
Ask if they have any student/parenting classes so u can gain the skills needed.

Not sure the OP needs parenting skills, she seems to be doing pretty much all she can. It's a two way street.

Starintheshow · 05/05/2023 17:08

Really feel for you op. I've had the same problem with my son since he was a young child. Very slim boy but bingeing on snack food that is supposed to be shared. Similar to your son multi-bags of crisps gone in a day, dinner money wasted on sugary treats instead of dinner, it's an absolute nightmare.

Easy to say don't buy it, but four people live in the house, why should everyone miss out on the odd bag of crisps or cocktail sausage because of one person? He even went after my baking stuff. Things have improved slightly here after years. We've actually had satay sticks and sausage rolls in the fridge for 3 days, it's a miracle.

My only advice is keep talking to him and trying to drum it in that it's not that he can't eat, but snacks are to be shared. Keep explaining about healthy choices.

Make sure that there's other less exciting food available, toast, peanut butter, crackers, fruit and veg, the makings of a sandwich, cheese/beans on toast.

I'd confiscate the dinner card.

The teen board on here is excellent for support too op.

Starintheshow · 05/05/2023 17:11

To add he needs to have a decent amount of sleep and a breakfast whether he likes it or not.

Starintheshow · 05/05/2023 17:15

Loads of good advice on this thread about upfs.

As an adult I can have these crap foods in and know that they are an occasional food, much harder for a child/teen who is addicted.

Whowhatwherewhenwhy1 · 05/05/2023 17:50

Tell the school you will not accept any more debt on his card. Do so in writing saying you do not authorise him accruing debt and will not pay any further outstanding sums. Stop buying all snacks and treats for the foreseeable future. Plenty of bread and jam. Water in the tap. His behaviour is totally unacceptable and there need to be consequences. He does not need crisps and cakes and drinks. They are a treat and a privilege which he now lost.