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To put a lock on the kitchen door?

154 replies

FoodFrustration · 05/05/2023 10:09

My apologies for the length but trying to paint the picture.

DS is 14 and very slim and whilst I appreciate most teenage boys are walking dustbins I just feel that his eating and drinking is getting out of control and his ability not to help himself to things that he's been told not to touch are none existent and its becoming a huge bone of contention.

He refuses to eat breakfast in the morning and often won’t get up in enough time to eat it anyway. I generally make him a packed lunch for school because school lunches were becoming far too expensive to budget for and he moaned about the ques, his friends I believe also take a packed lunch so hes not the odd one out. Recently he has either been forgetting to take his lunch and then going to the canteen when he knows there is no money on his lunch card or taking it and still going spending money in the canteen on extras and drinks because he never takes his with him. The first I knew of this was when the school contacted me to pay off the debt he had accrued on his card. I explained to him at the time that he can’t be forgetting or choosing not to take his lunch in then going and racking up debts on his empty card because I can’t afford to be hit with unexpected bills so he needs to be more organised. I paid off the debt only for the following week to be hit with another debt, needless to say given our previous discussion I was not happy. Again I told him it needs to stop and have gone as far as leaving his lunch by his bag before I go to work (I leave before he does) but again have been hit with debt if only for drinks. The drinks he buys at school are bottles of flavoured water at over £1 per bottle, I can buy 4 for that price at Aldi so opted to go buy in some bottled drinks for school, I also bought in a load of large bottles of drink for home including the same drink as in the smaller bottles for school. I told him categorically that they were for school because I wasn’t keep paying debts for school drinks which cost 4x the price when we are on a budget. Despite this only an hour later he helped himself to one, when I realised I told him I was not impressed he knows they are for school and there is plenty of other drinks in the fridge. Despite this he later helped himself to another then during the night another one leaving just one left. He says ‘ok’ and ‘sorry’ but then just keeps on doing it! It sounds trivial in this context but is just the tip of the iceburg and was the straw this week that broke the camels back and yesterday morning I put a lock on the fridge so that he can’t get in it when I’m not home or overnight, and put his lunch and a flask of cordial on his bag before leaving the house, he gets home before me and I came home to find he has thrown a huge strop after school when realising he can’t access the fridge that he has somehow managed to completely snap / break / cut through the thick wire cable fridge lock and smashed a chunk of plaster off the wall in the process, before then helping himself to the final bottle of drink he’s been told not too touch when there was loads of other drinks in there! god knows how he hasn’t bust the fridge. There were snacks in the cupboards and cordial to drink so waiting an hour for anything else wouldn’t have killed him.

For context of other things: I’m not much of a drinker but do like the very occasional can of cider as a treat, the problem is once the box is opened he sees this as fair game and helps himself to these too even though he knows its alcohol and not for him, he will put the empty cans back so it looks like none are missing until I get halfway through and realise several are empty so I clearly can’t even have these in now. I’ll buy things for lunches such as cocktail sausages, at a handful a day there is a weeks worth but by the next day the whole box will be gone even though he knows they are for lunches and off limits for just eating. I’ll buy plenty of snacks for the week but in less that 48 hours its almost all gone because he just can’t seem to stop himself once he starts or eat a sensible portion, sometimes I’ll buy a couple of bits that are just for me because I don’t get a look in at most things and even knowing that he’ll eat my bits if he has ran out, if I try hide them he will literally search until he finds them. 18 packets of crisps can be gone in 3 days as can a box of 16 chocolate cupcakes. He will have snacks (crisps / cakes / biscuits) and a sandwich / toast or a pastie or something after school but before tea / dinner (before I get home), He then gets a large portion of food, then he’ll be snacking again not long after and often sneaks down during the night and helps himself to more when he’s been told no more because he’s already had more than enough. One night he ate a full pack of sliced chicken breast pieces that were for the next days lunches for us both.

I’m a single parent on a tight budget, his dad isn’t in the picture and I get no maintenance. I can’t really afford to keep replacing the stuff he’s eaten but have too try because otherwise he’d have nothing for lunch because he eats his lunch stuff for extra snacks after school or when hes eaten all the good stuff and then just racks up debts at school. I’m at my wits end with it all and at never getting a look in at anything before it is gone. The constant arguing over his greediness and lack of thought about leaving any for me is really starting to wear me down. He’s been told its not just about the food but the lack of respect he is showing helping himself to things he knows aren’t his or that he’s been told ‘no’ too.

So would I be unreasonable to put a lock on the internal kitchen door and only give him a front door key (he goes through the back at present) to physically prevent him accessing the kitchen when I am not there or overnight?

If you think I am being unreasonable can you suggest other ways of tackling this because I am at a loss.

post edited by MNHQ as it contained a word we don't allow on the boards.

OP posts:
Comefromaway · 05/05/2023 11:21

TeeBee · 05/05/2023 11:19

Wow, in that case, I'd be replying 'well, I have a policy of not paying bills run up by other people, especially when I've told you not to do so. I won't be paying it, so its up to you what you do'.

Unfortunately that doesn't wash. If you send your child to the school you have to agree to these things. Believe me, I wish it did.

FoodFrustration · 05/05/2023 11:29

greyhairnomore · 05/05/2023 11:13

@FoodFrustration is there a point in him seeing the GP ? Just to rule out a medical cause ?

He’s currently under the GP because he keeps complaining of dizzy spells / lightheadedness, I wondered if it could be a blood sugar issue or such which might explain how much he feels the need to eat so much but they can’t find anything medically wrong with him, he's had full bloods and an ecg.

OP posts:
BarbaraofSeville · 05/05/2023 11:32

milkshakebringsallthebuoystotheyard · 05/05/2023 11:05

Let the poor child eat and just foot the bill. You sound very resentful of him.

Did you miss the part about the OP not being able to constantly shell out to try and fill a bottomless pit? He's binging on enormous amounts of snacks, which isn't good for him whether or not they can afford it. And as they can't, the OP is going without, as he's eaten food that was supposed to last the both of them the rest of the week.

But yes, the OP should 'just buy more food' shouldn't she Hmm

yikesanotherbooboo · 05/05/2023 11:32

I would find this absolutely infuriating.
What does he see the solution as?
He must realise that he is behaving unreasonably . Just taking things from the fridge as and when doesn't work for any of us. It is defiance or at least goading behaviour towards you and suggests unhappiness or frustration; I realise that this can be a normal state of affairs for teens.
Practical measures such as making it clear to school that he is not to run up debt are important . I would also try through gritted teeth to build up your relationship again so that he feels part of a partnership with you .This usually means spending some time together on his terms on a daily basis. It doesn't have to be more than 10-15 minutes.

DriedFlowersLiveForever · 05/05/2023 11:32

If his behaviour is generally good but things are starting to get progressively worse then as well as the GP I would be having a word with school.
Is anyone bothering him, are there any issues with behaviour in class? Does he have a solid friendship group or has he recently got some new friends?
At the moment people won't be concerned as he is a healthy weight (lots of people already on here saying 'oh teens eat like a horse' etc) BUT once it starts catching up with him and he has a weight problem then they will be quick to blame you!
I have a 6'4 16 year old boy, he eats a lot.....what he doesn't do is willfully disrespect me by taking all of the food for the family (he also wouldn't take alcohol without asking!)
Is there any chance he is binging and purging?

FoodFrustration · 05/05/2023 11:33

usernother · 05/05/2023 10:35

I'd try the lock on the door but he may just break it off. I'd go with the once he eats something he's been told not to eat it's not replaced until the following week. Is it possible to ask the school for his card to be blocked? If he has no lunch that's his choice.

I was thinking of a proper door lock with key rather than something else he can find a way to remove.

OP posts:
CabernetSauvignon · 05/05/2023 11:33

gettingolderbutcooler · 05/05/2023 10:30

I say to mine, when it's gone it's gone. That's it for the week.

That wouldn't work for OP as he'd just start running up debt buying it at school.

greyhairnomore · 05/05/2023 11:33

milkshakebringsallthebuoystotheyard · 05/05/2023 11:19

@greyhairnomore @Catsbreakfast

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4799496-stepdaughter-eating-too-much-fruit?reply=125940613

Either children can eat what they like, when they like, or they cant.

I've never said children can eat what they like when they like. I saw that thread I think that child is eating too much fruit but I didn't comment

SomePosters · 05/05/2023 11:33

Stop buying things in expensive tiny packets and buy big boxes of cereal and fill the freezer with bread.

Cook up big portions of pasta and leave leftovers, make big trays of dinner so there is always something easy to help himself to

If he isn’t gaining weight then he does actually need food, just not expensive ultra processed junk

milkshakebringsallthebuoystotheyard · 05/05/2023 11:34

greyhairnomore · 05/05/2023 11:33

I've never said children can eat what they like when they like. I saw that thread I think that child is eating too much fruit but I didn't comment

You commented on my earlier post asking who is paying for that.

I am just highlighting the difference in opinions when its a biological child being discussed.

FoodFrustration · 05/05/2023 11:38

ThatsGoingToHurt · 05/05/2023 11:01

Do you have a car and could you pick the snacks in the boot?

Yes to both but with summer on its way and the car getting really hot inside I’m not sure this would be a great combination especially for chocolate!

OP posts:
Luredbyapomegranate · 05/05/2023 11:42

That all sounds very difficult - I don't think locks are going to work

Take him to the doc to check something isn't up (unlikely)

Write to the school and say you will not clear any more debts - he needs to be put on a list of kids who do not get to use their cards. Don't let them push back about this - just say you are not a limited budget and cannot cover costs. Citizens advice can help you write a legal letter if needed.

Rejig your budget - stop buying anything like cocktail sausages, cupcakes, fizzy drinks - that cost a lot. Buy more bread, porridge, apples, eggs, squash - for the price of the cakes and the sausages you can probably provide more bread and marge than he can possibly eat.

If you have any money left after that, buy all means buy crips and biscuits but tell him this is what he gets for the week and that's it.

Put his lunch - sandwiches, apple, yogurt, dilute squash - in his bag so he cannot forget it.

Buy a safe and put it in your bedroom for anything you want to keep for you. Or the boot of your car if you have one.

LookItsMeAgain · 05/05/2023 11:45

A few questions for you @FoodFrustration if you don't mind.

Does your son eat food and then a while later purge the food (vomit)?
Does your son ever feel full? Does he actually stop eating or is it a constant grazing that he does? He could have Prader-Willi syndrome if he never feels full.
Does he go for particular food types/textures or would he eat unusual things?

If he is under the care of a GP, you could ask about getting his thyroid tested along with getting blood sugars tested.

Teenagers go through growth spurts and they will eat absolutely everything they can get their hands on. You may have to go heavy on the carbohydrates and protein during those times so that meal times actually give him a full feeling.

Augend23 · 05/05/2023 11:46

I think the key thing here with a growing boy is to provide loads, and I mean loads of cheap snack options. If you lock the kitchen away from a (clearly very hungry, if also badly behaved) teenager, you do need to be really clear there's enough food for afternoon/evening snacking.

My brother used to eat nearly a loaf of bread as toast with peanut butter, and 2 pints of milk a day as a teenager.

Obviously that doesn't cover off the cider etc, nor buying drinks at school, but I do think it can be really easy to underestimate the truly enormous amounts of food a teenager can eat sometimes.

FoodFrustration · 05/05/2023 11:48

milkshakebringsallthebuoystotheyard · 05/05/2023 11:19

@greyhairnomore @Catsbreakfast

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4799496-stepdaughter-eating-too-much-fruit?reply=125940613

Either children can eat what they like, when they like, or they cant.

He likes fruit too! Its another thing that doesn’t last 30 seconds, cost of fruit these days though I couldn’t afford to buy that much in a single week!

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Createausername1970 · 05/05/2023 11:51

Tell him it's Lunch card or food from home. He can't have both and you can't afford both. So for the time being it's lunch card and DO NOT buy anything else. The fridge is bare of snacks.

You may get a big lunchcard bill, but if so then other things are curtailed to pay for it.

He won't like it, but he isn't listening to your reasonable requests.

milkshakebringsallthebuoystotheyard · 05/05/2023 11:52

FoodFrustration · 05/05/2023 11:48

He likes fruit too! Its another thing that doesn’t last 30 seconds, cost of fruit these days though I couldn’t afford to buy that much in a single week!

Agreed. FWIW I think you are being taken advantage of here. He is more than old enough to know better. If you work, can you keep snacks in your draws in the office and just bring home a days worth at a time? You cant keep this up. Can you confiscate his school lunch card?

Im stunned he has smashed a whole in your wall trying to get in the fridge, is there any remorse? Do you have a family member that might be willing to try and discuss his behaviour with him? We found with OHs nephew that he took far more on board from his uncle that his mum.

milkshakebringsallthebuoystotheyard · 05/05/2023 11:55

Createausername1970 · 05/05/2023 11:51

Tell him it's Lunch card or food from home. He can't have both and you can't afford both. So for the time being it's lunch card and DO NOT buy anything else. The fridge is bare of snacks.

You may get a big lunchcard bill, but if so then other things are curtailed to pay for it.

He won't like it, but he isn't listening to your reasonable requests.

He'd get a limit a day from me and if he went over, then his Xbox/Playstation would be being sold to cover the payments. Or phone sold/contract cancelled. Actions have consequences. If its just you two and he knows money is tight, then he needs to get in the boat and row.

What about him getting a paper round? Maybe he ought to start earning his own spending money. Working in the local shop at weekends?

SpacePotato · 05/05/2023 11:57

Do you have a fridge in work where you could leave your own lunches for the week?

He’s currently under the GP because he keeps complaining of dizzy spells / lightheadedness

Has he had an eye test?
When do these dizzy spells occur? If you can get him to keep a diary of what he was doing when they happened.

Assume they tested for diabetes?

I wouldn't put a lock on the door because you know he will just break the door and door frame kicking it down.

Stop buying the cupcakes and treats.

FoodFrustration · 05/05/2023 11:59

LookItsMeAgain · 05/05/2023 11:45

A few questions for you @FoodFrustration if you don't mind.

Does your son eat food and then a while later purge the food (vomit)?
Does your son ever feel full? Does he actually stop eating or is it a constant grazing that he does? He could have Prader-Willi syndrome if he never feels full.
Does he go for particular food types/textures or would he eat unusual things?

If he is under the care of a GP, you could ask about getting his thyroid tested along with getting blood sugars tested.

Teenagers go through growth spurts and they will eat absolutely everything they can get their hands on. You may have to go heavy on the carbohydrates and protein during those times so that meal times actually give him a full feeling.

He doesn’t purge.

He doesn’t have prada-willi I’m certain. Nor does he have pika.

He does feel full and will have breaks especially after a big tea its not constant eating but whereas I’d think I’m a bit peckish or have a hankering and might have a couple of biscuits and a cupcake or two he’ll eat a full packet of biscuits or half a box of cakes in one go. I think its eats often just eating for the sake of eating as hes just sat around on the computer.

He doesn’t just eat junk, he loves fruit and rinses his way through that too btw.

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PhillySub · 05/05/2023 12:00

Take the computer away and prepare for the flack. You are being bullied and it won't stop. I don't understand why if you tell the school that you won't be paying off his debts in the future that they can't stop the card.

KirstieandPhilaremyTVparents · 05/05/2023 12:04

He's a teenager and needs a lot of food. I was always starving as a teen when I came home from school. The problem is that the only food available seems to be junk (cupcakes, crisps, processed cocktail sausages, snacks) which spikes blood sugar and doesn't fill you up. Perhaps his tastes have been conditioned by eating all this stuff. Surely if you stop buying this and fill the cupboards with wholemeal bread, wholemeal pitta, fruit, veg, houmous, healthy protein, etc he will just have to eat that?

No I don't think you should lock the fridge or kitchen as it's creating disfunction around food / eating which is deeply unhealthy.

Just buy healthy food and he will have to eat that!

someoneisalwaysintheloo · 05/05/2023 12:05

I wonder if he's smoking pot?

I would stop buying all the empty carbs and sugary snacks. They just increase hunger as they're not filling.

Buy raw veg for snacks and protein.

Keep some snacks for yourself at your work.

And ffs stop packing his lunch, he's 14 not 5. I hope he's doing his fair share with chores, laundry, etc. around the house.

Bollindger · 05/05/2023 12:17

Write the school a letter and send it recorded.
I do not give permission for you to charge me for any food or drink purchased by SON. Should you do so you are hereby agreeing that you will be unable to charge myself or SONS NAME and I will consider it a GIFT made by the school.

Your sincerely .....

Therealjudgejudy · 05/05/2023 12:17

Don't really have any advice to offer but wanted to add solidarity to your post.

Teenage boys are bottomless pits!😂

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