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AIBU to “cancel” my friend coming to help post birth?

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AwkwardArmadillo · 04/05/2023 00:13

I’m 33 weeks pregnant, likely to give birth via c section around 34-36wk (most likely 35) due to a combo of medical reasons which I won’t get fully into, but rather than a standard c-section, it’ll be an up and down cut (open laparotomy) potentially including a hysterectomy and other procedures.

Recovery is going to be tough and potentially include a substantial hospital stay for me. I hoped to get further along than 35ish weeks but for various reasons including a decline in my health, it won’t be possible.

this is my first and (obviously) likely only child.

I have a friend who lives a substantial distance away (flight needed).
While I do have strong local support, my friend offered to come to stay to help me with recovery and the new baby.

Around 16/17 weeks I was considering it and said I’d let her know. We remained in regular contact, but unfortunately, this clearly sounded like a “yes” to her and it became clear she assumed that’s what I meant. I have repeatedly said “we’ll see, and I’m not sure it’s a good idea” but she seems to want to argue it with me and I’ve not had the strength.

this pregnancy has been brutal, if I’m honest, with over 20 hospital admissions and multiple late nights at A+E plus a fair share of mental health struggles, I should’ve been more direct but I did express my concerns to her. I do admit my fault for not putting my foot down. There are many reasons I’ve turned off of the idea, and I’ll include her rebuttals. example:

friend has a 7yr old child. Obviously, the child would come with her. I don’t necessarily feel comfortable hosting a boisterous child, especially while dealing with a potentially difficult recovery road.

friend says “We’d have our own space, we’ll stay out of your way when you need a breather.” (I have a spare room).

I did also say there may be things related to my recovery that are messy, difficult, uncomfortable and she may not want her DC present to witness it. It’ll also be a nightmare for her DC if I have an extended stay in hospital IMHO.
friend says “If needed, DC can be left with a sitter.” But I know the expense for that would be mine to bear (explained further below).

friend has a low income, meaning I will be left footing the bill for her flights, travel, etc.

She knows I can technically afford it, but I’m trying really hard to save money/not touch savings because I’m taking substantial time off of work (and I’m self employed so mat pay etc is limited).
when I mention cost is an issue, suddenly she offers to pay half or “try to get a credit card” (for various reasons I doubt that would work).

I had a scare a few days ago (light bleeding, monitoring session in hospital), now she’s more insistent than ever, to the point where she’s disregarding that I don’t have time to accommodate her, settle her + her child in, travel several hours each way to do airport pick up, etc.

I know she can sense my hesitancy because recently all she wants to talk about is how “difficult” things are at home (she’s in her 30s but lives with her family, whereas I live alone) and how she “can’t wait for a break”. She’s also mentioned how “excited” her DS is to come. It’s becoming very clear to me that it’s less about helping me and more about helping herself, but I don’t see a way of navigating out of this while retaining our previously very lovely friendship of several years.

aibu to cancel this? And WIBU to ask MN for some advice as to how to go about it? I’ve been running around like a blue arsed fly putting my business into rest mode, so to speak, and making sure everything is ready for the baby. But I need to address this soon. Help?

OP posts:
Polkadothot · 04/05/2023 00:23

But how are you going to manage without help following surgery? Have you a plan b?

Doingmybest12 · 04/05/2023 00:23

Thank you for the offer to visit after baby arrives but I won't need to take you up on it, it was kind of you to offer. We'll arrange for you to visit and meet .... when I am feeling recovered . It will be lovely to see you then.

AwkwardArmadillo · 04/05/2023 00:25

@Polkadothot I do have local support, including family. I’ve also part-booked a meal prep service (can’t finalise it until I know what date I’m home from hospital) and a fortnightly cleaner which I may increase to weekly. It’s definitely going to be difficult, though. I’ve tried to prepare as best as I can.

OP posts:
Happytohelp2 · 04/05/2023 00:30

You definitely need to tell her she’s not coming - for your peace of mind as much as anything else. I’d suggest a message something like:

” Dear Friend, I’m really grateful for all your kindness and support over recent times. I look forward to being back in touch later in the year but for the next few months I will be out of contact while I prioritise my and my baby’s health. There are lots of reasons, which I am not going to go into, why it won’t be possible for you to fly over or stay with me until I am fully recovered which is going to take some time.
I know that, as a true friend, you will understand even if you are disappointed initially that you can’t be here with me.
love Armadillo xo
PS I’ll send you a pic as soon as I’m up to it after the baby is born”

then just don’t reply to her messages. If she gets too persistent or abusive then mute or block her.

Put your health and your baby first. If she can’t understand that then she’s no friend just a CF.

good luck with it all. 💐

SeaToSki · 04/05/2023 00:34

You need to be crystal clear

dear friend,I dont feel that you are listening to me and it is starting to upset me. Please do not plan on coming to visit me after the baby is born. It is not going to work. I am happy to talk about you visiting once I know what my recovery is looking like which will be at 8 weeks post partum at the earliest. (Put in dates to suit yourself).

and then dont waver. If it is actually a good friendship, she will adjust her plans accordingly. If she is a cf or tone deaf, she will keep trying to push past your clear boundary,at which point you can repeat..I dont think you are listening to me, NO

ClairDeLaLune · 04/05/2023 00:43

Dear Friend, I’m really sorry but due to my health problems I don’t think I’m going to be able to cope with having you and your DS staying after I’ve had my baby. I’m now planning to go to stay with my mum/sister/cousin/friend Jane after I’ve given birth instead. Hope to see you really soon though!

AwkwardArmadillo · 04/05/2023 00:54

SeaToSki · 04/05/2023 00:34

You need to be crystal clear

dear friend,I dont feel that you are listening to me and it is starting to upset me. Please do not plan on coming to visit me after the baby is born. It is not going to work. I am happy to talk about you visiting once I know what my recovery is looking like which will be at 8 weeks post partum at the earliest. (Put in dates to suit yourself).

and then dont waver. If it is actually a good friendship, she will adjust her plans accordingly. If she is a cf or tone deaf, she will keep trying to push past your clear boundary,at which point you can repeat..I dont think you are listening to me, NO

I think this is probably my best bet. Possibly incorporating a mild “excuse” of staying with a relative as @ClairDeLaLune suggests. I need to be very clear because just stating my objections hasn’t worked so far and honestly I feel a bit steamrollered. I’m expecting some fairly major backlash from her as she has been assuming she’s coming for several months now, but I have been trying to push back. It’s a lesson learned in boundary setting for me. I should’ve canned the whole thing much sooner

OP posts:
Darkroot · 04/05/2023 01:05

Do you have a husband/wife/partner? If so, how do they feel about it?

AwkwardArmadillo · 04/05/2023 01:08

No partner/spouse. Otherwise I’m sure I’d hide behind them on this.

OP posts:
Hairday · 04/05/2023 01:15

If you say you're staying at a relatives, she'll offer to house sit. Don't make excuses. Just be clear about what you want.

I have a friend a bit like you, and honestly it feels like a betrayal every time she acts like she wants me there and then she doesn't. Just say. She can cope.

lemonchiffonpie · 04/05/2023 01:21

You would be better off booking an agency nurse for a few days if you find you do need a higher level of live-in care. It would end up cheaper, ultimately.

The thought of a seven year old of any type around after major surgery and a newborn is so awful... I'm sure in her mind she means well, however, it does sound as if this is more of an enforced free holiday dressed up as help.

Mummyoflittledragon · 04/05/2023 01:27

Hairday · 04/05/2023 01:15

If you say you're staying at a relatives, she'll offer to house sit. Don't make excuses. Just be clear about what you want.

I have a friend a bit like you, and honestly it feels like a betrayal every time she acts like she wants me there and then she doesn't. Just say. She can cope.

I don’t see how op sounds like your friend. She hasn’t once said yes. She’s just not been good at saying no, which is rather British, communicating through subtle innuendo rather than direct speech.

Fraaahnces · 04/05/2023 01:31

You absolutely need to spell it out. This friend’s motives aren’t entirely generous. They’re self-serving and you need to come first. I think you need to explain that you can’t have a kid around during your recovery - at all. You also need to make it clear that constant discussion about her own life issues is exhausting and you don’t have it in you atm, and can’t imagine yourself having MORE energy for the types of conversations, etc she is imagining. Being with you would not be a break. She isn’t hearing you tell her that you have help lined up because it doesn’t suit her own agenda. You need to get tough. Also explain that you are not spending your money on her. You have your own child now. That’s who you prioritize your financial choices.

ASGIRC · 04/05/2023 01:40

Doesnt her child go to school? How is she able to travel so far, for so long, with her kid?

In any case, that sounds like a nightmare. Im very particular about my space and would hate to have visitors staying for an extended period, even if it was to help me. Local support would be much better!

Novatherova · 04/05/2023 01:41

I wish you all the luck in the world. Enjoy your baby and put you both first.

The responses you've been provided by the other girls are perfect.

You don't owe her anything so don't be made to feel guilty. Its your house you don't have to apologise or justify why you don't want visitors.

If she kicks off over being told no then not a good friend x

MrsMikeDrop · 04/05/2023 01:49

Oh wow, lots of good suggestions here. Please tell her no asap. She sounds like a nightmare and I feel stressed out for you just reading your post. I'd almost just say something has come up (don't go into details so she can't reply with solutions), and say she can't stay with you and you won't need her help. But thank you and you'll be in touch after the baby in born. Time to be blunt I think. Good luck!

AwkwardArmadillo · 04/05/2023 01:51

ASGIRC · 04/05/2023 01:40

Doesnt her child go to school? How is she able to travel so far, for so long, with her kid?

In any case, that sounds like a nightmare. Im very particular about my space and would hate to have visitors staying for an extended period, even if it was to help me. Local support would be much better!

Her child is homeschooled for various reasons and that contributes to her low income issues mentioned previously (inconsistent zero hours type work).

It’s also why I personally doubt she’d get approved for any reputable line of credit, but that’s another good point I hadn’t thought of, she can’t really provide her child with solid education/teaching while “helping” me.

another thing to mention is when I previously considered it I told her it’d be nice to have help/a visit for a week or two however recently it transpired she was “clearing things up” to leave (her home) until July/august “in case I need her for longer”. I can imagine getting her to leave when I’m already this uncomfortable being direct will be nigh on impossible… it’s a mess but I will be directly addressing it tomorrow with the suggestions listed here.

as for her feeling betrayed, I’d be very saddened by that, but I never actually said yes. It was along the lines of “Oh, that could work, we’ll see” and by the time I’d thought about it more (I was around 20 weeks by then) including the practical aspects of a 7yo around, I had all kinds of horror scenarios and objections which I did put to her repeatedly (many are listed in OP) but even saying “I don’t think it’s a good idea” hasn’t netted a useful response. I know I should’ve put my foot down, I do genuinely have issues communicating directly (recovering people pleaser) but I’ve had so much on re: health and MH I haven’t wanted the fight once she starts objecting. I do accept that part is my fault.

OP posts:
AxolotlEars · 04/05/2023 01:55

Dear friend/non friend...I have been thinking things over and decided that I don't want you to come and stay with me after I have had the baby. Speak (soon/after the baby/next year)

toucaninjapan · 04/05/2023 02:00

Oh wow, she's clearly trying to use your situation to her benefit. Maybe in her mind she's planning on indefinite stay to "help".
Please be very clear with her OP, and best of wishes, I hope you will have a fast recovery💪🏻

PerryMenno · 04/05/2023 02:03

AxolotlEars · 04/05/2023 01:55

Dear friend/non friend...I have been thinking things over and decided that I don't want you to come and stay with me after I have had the baby. Speak (soon/after the baby/next year)

I like this because it's not open for debate but would make it less personal - I don't want anyone to come and stay with me.

ChiefPearlClutcher · 04/05/2023 02:05

Is this person really a friend though?
Say no very clearly. If the friendship doesn’t survive it, would it be much a bad thing?
Sorry about you health issues, enjoy your baby and stay away from the energy suckers and users!

lemonchiffonpie · 04/05/2023 02:15

You need to couch it in such language that there is no room for any objecting.

"Dear boundary invader/friend, it is so kind of you to think of coming to help me (etc), but I have decided I don't want anyone staying after the birth. I will let you know how it all goes. Hope things calm down your end, in the meantime."

gavisconismyfriend · 04/05/2023 02:18

Have a chat with your Dr/midwife. Ask the right questions in the right way and they’ll probably helpfully “advise” you that in their professional opinion it would not be good for you to have house guests. Then unfortunately you really can’t go against medical advice so unfortunately your friend and her child can’t come over right now…..

Hairday · 04/05/2023 02:32

Mummyoflittledragon · 04/05/2023 01:27

I don’t see how op sounds like your friend. She hasn’t once said yes. She’s just not been good at saying no, which is rather British, communicating through subtle innuendo rather than direct speech.

Yes, OP's friends sounds pushier than mine for sure. I just meant, don't feel bad saying no. It's probably kinder in the long run.

autienotnaughtym · 04/05/2023 02:42

She sounds pushy. You definitely need to be direct.

Dear friend

Thank you for your offer of coming to help after baby is here. I know we have discussed the pros and cons over the past few months. After lots of thought I have decided it would be better if you didn't come. I will need the time and privacy to focus on my baby and recovery. You are such a good friend I know you will understand. I will of course send pics of lo once they are here. And once things settle down we can absolutely consider a visit. I will let you know when that is. Thank you for your ongoing support.

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