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AIBU to “cancel” my friend coming to help post birth?

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AwkwardArmadillo · 04/05/2023 00:13

I’m 33 weeks pregnant, likely to give birth via c section around 34-36wk (most likely 35) due to a combo of medical reasons which I won’t get fully into, but rather than a standard c-section, it’ll be an up and down cut (open laparotomy) potentially including a hysterectomy and other procedures.

Recovery is going to be tough and potentially include a substantial hospital stay for me. I hoped to get further along than 35ish weeks but for various reasons including a decline in my health, it won’t be possible.

this is my first and (obviously) likely only child.

I have a friend who lives a substantial distance away (flight needed).
While I do have strong local support, my friend offered to come to stay to help me with recovery and the new baby.

Around 16/17 weeks I was considering it and said I’d let her know. We remained in regular contact, but unfortunately, this clearly sounded like a “yes” to her and it became clear she assumed that’s what I meant. I have repeatedly said “we’ll see, and I’m not sure it’s a good idea” but she seems to want to argue it with me and I’ve not had the strength.

this pregnancy has been brutal, if I’m honest, with over 20 hospital admissions and multiple late nights at A+E plus a fair share of mental health struggles, I should’ve been more direct but I did express my concerns to her. I do admit my fault for not putting my foot down. There are many reasons I’ve turned off of the idea, and I’ll include her rebuttals. example:

friend has a 7yr old child. Obviously, the child would come with her. I don’t necessarily feel comfortable hosting a boisterous child, especially while dealing with a potentially difficult recovery road.

friend says “We’d have our own space, we’ll stay out of your way when you need a breather.” (I have a spare room).

I did also say there may be things related to my recovery that are messy, difficult, uncomfortable and she may not want her DC present to witness it. It’ll also be a nightmare for her DC if I have an extended stay in hospital IMHO.
friend says “If needed, DC can be left with a sitter.” But I know the expense for that would be mine to bear (explained further below).

friend has a low income, meaning I will be left footing the bill for her flights, travel, etc.

She knows I can technically afford it, but I’m trying really hard to save money/not touch savings because I’m taking substantial time off of work (and I’m self employed so mat pay etc is limited).
when I mention cost is an issue, suddenly she offers to pay half or “try to get a credit card” (for various reasons I doubt that would work).

I had a scare a few days ago (light bleeding, monitoring session in hospital), now she’s more insistent than ever, to the point where she’s disregarding that I don’t have time to accommodate her, settle her + her child in, travel several hours each way to do airport pick up, etc.

I know she can sense my hesitancy because recently all she wants to talk about is how “difficult” things are at home (she’s in her 30s but lives with her family, whereas I live alone) and how she “can’t wait for a break”. She’s also mentioned how “excited” her DS is to come. It’s becoming very clear to me that it’s less about helping me and more about helping herself, but I don’t see a way of navigating out of this while retaining our previously very lovely friendship of several years.

aibu to cancel this? And WIBU to ask MN for some advice as to how to go about it? I’ve been running around like a blue arsed fly putting my business into rest mode, so to speak, and making sure everything is ready for the baby. But I need to address this soon. Help?

OP posts:
Isthisexpected · 04/05/2023 06:10

I use childcare.co.uk. I see on there one can find a qualified maternity nurse to help care for baby if additional support is needed.

Thai friend is using you for a holiday.

KeepingKeepingOn · 04/05/2023 06:11

i agree with @Babyimyours - I do think you are going to need at least the option of significantly more support than you’ve got lined up, even if you don’t then take it up. Whether this friend is quite the right support or whether there’s other options is the real question.

@AwkwardArmadillo I would perhaps be honest with the friend and say my head’s all over the place at the moment and I just don’t feel I can plan or commit to anything definite until the baby is here and I have a sense of what I need. Can we revisit this after the birth when I’ve got a better sense, as it’s possible I’ll need to use my savings on eg a private nurse if my health needs are greater than anticipated.

You’ve got a lot going on and you sound like someone who ‘just gets on with it’ - I’m the same, so I get it - but this is one instance where you will physically and emotionally not be able to get on with it and need to have the right support.

mainsfed · 04/05/2023 06:17

This has disaster written all over it. You will feel suffocated in your own home. You’ll end up paying for everything for her and her dc - food, treats and inevitably cooking will be an issue so you’ll have to get the meal delivery service to cater for the 3 of you, which will be a drain on your savings, or she won’t like the meals and hint for takeaways. After a few days, her focus will naturally be her own child, and you’ll have an unwanted guest.

Don’t offer to discuss her visiting in a few months, she will just keep hassling you for a break.

Allezvite · 04/05/2023 06:33

Definitely do not send reasons or excuses - she will steamroller every one. Short, to the point and nothing that allows a comeback. Not “I think” but “I am”. Very clear “I do not want you to come”. Don’t say sorry! Rinse and repeat. If she turns up anyway don’t let her in (if she turns up anyway she’s a CF of the highest order and you want her nowhere near you).

and please please look at if you can get more formal, trained support in place for your care once home.

Eqs · 04/05/2023 06:51

You are absolutely not unreasonable. I had this with a relative of dh’s coming to ‘help’ along with their 18yo ds after dc3. Was a total nightmare, particularly the 18yo who ‘didn’t want to see me breastfeeding’….in my own home!!!! Took 18 months at least to get them out (turned out to have run out of £ & couldn’t put them on streets). All this without the additional complications you have on your plate. Sacrifice the friendship if you have to, it’s not worth it. (By the by those 2 ‘rellies’ are NC with us now🙄).

Nordicrain · 04/05/2023 06:52

Say no, clearly and finally. You will regret it - potentially forever - if you don't.

Neopolitan · 04/05/2023 07:06

If you already have family to help out I would emphasise that my mum (or whoever it is) have said they prefer to be there alone, so you could use that as a line of argument. But no you are certainly not unreasonable to cancel a friend who invited herself (maybe just wants free flights and adventure). Put your foot down and say no, the sooner you say it and get it over and done with, the better.

Sugargliderwombat · 04/05/2023 07:12

I think the best way out of this is instead of pointing out you never said yes, just ignore that but say jt doesn't work for you now. She can't really argue with that can she?

Hi x I've been thinking a lot about the time post birth and after speaking to [insert local family] and organising other things
f I don't think I will be needing your help after all, I really appreciate the offer but I now think I really will just need some space and time to be in a newborn bubble, thank you so much again.

FifiRebel · 04/05/2023 07:17

AwkwardArmadillo · 04/05/2023 01:08

No partner/spouse. Otherwise I’m sure I’d hide behind them on this.

I had an emergency c section as a single parent - I couldn't have done it without my mum supporting me and my baby didn't come home for 6 weeks. I haven't read the entire thread but just to flag I would not assume that a 34 week baby will come straight home or be in your care. As a rule of thumb premature babies tend to need NICU care until they reach 36/37 weeks (or longer if other complications). My baby was born at 30 weeks and came home 36 ish weeks at 4lb.

PollyThePixie · 04/05/2023 07:17

DisquietintheRanks · 04/05/2023 05:48

No, I agree.

@AwkwardArmadillo you may not want this friend but you will need someone staying with you for the first few weeks (or at least with you 12+ hours a day). Is that the sort of help you have locally? Because a meals service and people popping in isn't going to cut it.

You’re right that popping in isn’t right under the circumstances. I had round the clock live in care for another family member that I was able to access for myself. I could never have done the injections on my own. The thought gave me the Willy’s. I also had my daughters coming in daily as well as another live in person who was able to help me out of bed and into the shower and bathroom until I could do it myself. I used to get dizzy so it was a safety factor rather than having someone shower me. They would stand where they could reach me immediately if I started to wobble. And I’m not someone to lie down to things but no matter how determined you are to get on with things you have to remember you’ve had major surgery and that dictates your recovery.

I should have made it clearer that I meant at a minimum the op needs people popping in daily. I managed to go out for a family breakfast on day 9 after surgery but I didn’t have to take a baby with me it get one ready to go out.

In truth I did absolutely nothing except concentrate on getting better and the reality of a cancer diagnosis due to the help I had on hand. It was round the clock care.

Fraaahnces · 04/05/2023 07:18
No Way Do Not Want GIF

Oh fuck! She’s setting herself up to move in! You’d never get rid of her and end up having to look after her kid too! No wonder she mentioned that it was a break!
Hell no!!!

BurntOutGirl · 04/05/2023 07:23

I know she can sense my hesitancy because recently all she wants to talk about is how “difficult” things are at home (she’s in her 30s but lives with her family, whereas I live alone) and how she “can’t wait for a break”. She’s also mentioned how “excited” her DS is to come. It’s becoming very clear to me that it’s less about helping me and more about helping herself, but I don’t see a way of navigating out of this while retaining our previously very lovely friendship of several years.

I really don't think she is going to be very helpful. She is looking at this from her point of view of basically a holiday at your expense.

Your money would be better spent on paying for help at home i.e cleaner etc

BendingSpoons · 04/05/2023 07:25

It does sound like she's planning on moving in indefinitely. She is taking advantage and you need to be blunt. I wouldn't give possible future dates as she will likely hold you to them.

I agree with PP saying do consider what support you will need. Lifting the baby to feed them is likely to be difficult for a while and doing too much could cause complications.

LAMPS1 · 04/05/2023 07:28

Your friend will have sensed your reluctance over the last few months but is hell-bent on coming (and staying) for her own sake, not for yours at all. Sounds like she feels it’s her right and all her coercive arguments will be ready including guilt tripping you while you are weak from a troublesome pregnancy. You will need to be assertive to the point that you may have to be prepared to lose her friendship over this.

Dear friend, My medical problems are now such that it will be impossible for you to stay here any time soon. Please make other arrangements.
The specialised after-care for myself and baby is now all arranged with advice from my doctors and help from family. I will be happy to host you for a few days when I am fully recovered in several months time and look forward to that. But for now, I’m instructed to rest completely without stress so won’t be in touch again for a while. I know you will be disappointed and am sorry for that but I also know you will understand my predicament. I will make sure my carers let you know when baby is safely delivered. Take care.

FernsAndFlowers · 04/05/2023 07:32

Don’t do it! I was in a very very similar situation a few years ago where friend insisted on offering to come and stay to help out (we had a very difficult medical situation at home). Timing was perfect for escaping unbearable hot season in their home country and the night before they arrived it was casually dropped into the conversation that the estranged husband would be coming too.

it was awful and after they left we never spoke again

WonderingWanda · 04/05/2023 07:34

Be blunt with her op. It sounds to me like she is planning on moving out of her place permanently and moving in with you under the guise of coming to help. Which is probably why she is being so pushy.

JustMy2Pennith · 04/05/2023 07:35

I think shes especially keen on coming because she wants a break from her own living situation, Im sure she has good intentions to help and support you but in this situation you need to put your own needs first as coping with a new baby and recovery from a c section is more than enough. Be clear, say you're not well enough to have someone staying sorry and you need recovery time and bonding time with your new baby. Google luck. I had a c section and went to stay with my sister who was just awful to me because she was very jealous Id had a child when she couldn't (she did 2 years later). If you only put yourself first once in life, now is the time!

FionnulaTheCooler · 04/05/2023 07:37

Seems fairly straightforward if she's expecting you to pay for the flight for her coming and facilitate getting her from the airport, just don't do it. Tell her with the cost of living you've had to rethink your finances and you can't afford to pay for her flight.

starfishmummy · 04/05/2023 07:42

Everyone is different of course, but I had ds by up and down c section (without the hysterectomy though) and recovery may not be as bad as you fear.

Scrambledchickens · 04/05/2023 07:43

Hi OP I would definitely cancel your friend and be very clear with her.
have you heard of doulas? You could get a doula to support you before during and after the birth and it would be on your terms.

MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 04/05/2023 07:43

Just be firm and done with it

and speak to your midwife and family about real support on discharge

JustDanceAddict · 04/05/2023 07:43

it sounds like it will be v stressful if she comes but you probably will need some full-on help for a while if you’re having major abdo surgery. after my emergency c/s which was done the regular bikini line way I needed full-on help for two weeks after coming home from hospital (dh had 2 weeks off but wasn’t enough (even got MiL over I was that bad).
I would be upfront w your friend saying you can’t ‘host’ a 7 year old and will be getting in professional maternity nurse in.

AwkwardArmadillo · 04/05/2023 07:43

Babyimyours · 04/05/2023 04:02

Am I the only person who thinks the OP has her head in the sand about how difficult caring for a newborn is going to be after such major surgery including a possible hysterectomy as well as other health issues? Without a partner? A meal service and a cleaner are not going to cut it.

Take the help. It’s a rare friend who offers such hands on assistance. If she’s as lovely as you say she is she’ll be thinking of your welfare. She’s had her own child so knows what it’s about. I’d bite her hand off at the offer, frankly!

Hi, I did also mention I have local support (including family). Paid support is just an addition so I can cope a bit better between visits from others - but everyone else is local enough (no more than 15ish miles or so) that they don’t need to stay overnight - let alone long term.

I don’t have my head in the sand at all. it’s not my first major surgery, throw in a baby and I’m quite terrified actually. 😂

in a situation like this I don’t think there’s such a thing as “too much support”, but it’s the reasons stated in OP (especially having a boisterous child in my space 24/7) that made me jump back from the idea.

OP posts:
PinkCast · 04/05/2023 07:43

What I can't get over is that she expects you to pay for all of this!!
I'm sure it would be great to have someone there, but I'm not sure this particular friend and her DC is the right choice.
Best of luck with everything 💐

cavebaby · 04/05/2023 07:44

The low income thing is a bit of a blessing in that she can't really just arrive at your door, she will have to wait for you to not buy her tickets. But you still need to take the bull by the horns here and make it very clear that this arrangement isn't going to work and won't be happening. Most people would have got the hint by now so don't leave any wiggle room in your message. No 'might', 'maybe', 'don't think', be really clear and firm in your language that whilst you're very grateful for her offer of 'help' unfortunately you will not be able to accommodate her and you need to cancel the tentative plans you had for her to stay.

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