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AIBU to “cancel” my friend coming to help post birth?

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AwkwardArmadillo · 04/05/2023 00:13

I’m 33 weeks pregnant, likely to give birth via c section around 34-36wk (most likely 35) due to a combo of medical reasons which I won’t get fully into, but rather than a standard c-section, it’ll be an up and down cut (open laparotomy) potentially including a hysterectomy and other procedures.

Recovery is going to be tough and potentially include a substantial hospital stay for me. I hoped to get further along than 35ish weeks but for various reasons including a decline in my health, it won’t be possible.

this is my first and (obviously) likely only child.

I have a friend who lives a substantial distance away (flight needed).
While I do have strong local support, my friend offered to come to stay to help me with recovery and the new baby.

Around 16/17 weeks I was considering it and said I’d let her know. We remained in regular contact, but unfortunately, this clearly sounded like a “yes” to her and it became clear she assumed that’s what I meant. I have repeatedly said “we’ll see, and I’m not sure it’s a good idea” but she seems to want to argue it with me and I’ve not had the strength.

this pregnancy has been brutal, if I’m honest, with over 20 hospital admissions and multiple late nights at A+E plus a fair share of mental health struggles, I should’ve been more direct but I did express my concerns to her. I do admit my fault for not putting my foot down. There are many reasons I’ve turned off of the idea, and I’ll include her rebuttals. example:

friend has a 7yr old child. Obviously, the child would come with her. I don’t necessarily feel comfortable hosting a boisterous child, especially while dealing with a potentially difficult recovery road.

friend says “We’d have our own space, we’ll stay out of your way when you need a breather.” (I have a spare room).

I did also say there may be things related to my recovery that are messy, difficult, uncomfortable and she may not want her DC present to witness it. It’ll also be a nightmare for her DC if I have an extended stay in hospital IMHO.
friend says “If needed, DC can be left with a sitter.” But I know the expense for that would be mine to bear (explained further below).

friend has a low income, meaning I will be left footing the bill for her flights, travel, etc.

She knows I can technically afford it, but I’m trying really hard to save money/not touch savings because I’m taking substantial time off of work (and I’m self employed so mat pay etc is limited).
when I mention cost is an issue, suddenly she offers to pay half or “try to get a credit card” (for various reasons I doubt that would work).

I had a scare a few days ago (light bleeding, monitoring session in hospital), now she’s more insistent than ever, to the point where she’s disregarding that I don’t have time to accommodate her, settle her + her child in, travel several hours each way to do airport pick up, etc.

I know she can sense my hesitancy because recently all she wants to talk about is how “difficult” things are at home (she’s in her 30s but lives with her family, whereas I live alone) and how she “can’t wait for a break”. She’s also mentioned how “excited” her DS is to come. It’s becoming very clear to me that it’s less about helping me and more about helping herself, but I don’t see a way of navigating out of this while retaining our previously very lovely friendship of several years.

aibu to cancel this? And WIBU to ask MN for some advice as to how to go about it? I’ve been running around like a blue arsed fly putting my business into rest mode, so to speak, and making sure everything is ready for the baby. But I need to address this soon. Help?

OP posts:
Sauvblanctime · 08/05/2023 23:43

Absolute CF! She’s still planning on coming!

lemonchiffonpie · 08/05/2023 23:57

I didn’t ask her to send anything and I’m not sure why she did AFTER I’d told her I didn’t need help.

I don't think you need a child's sleeping bag, do you?

The only reason she has sent those things is to force you into relenting and saying, oh, silly me, do come and stay.

Newestname002 · 09/05/2023 00:33

She may have taken out a new credit card to pay for all this OP. Possibly in your name and almost certainly at your address, with a feigning of total innocent reasoning "oh I had to use your address because the billing address has to match the delivery address, and I had to say your name as they have no record of me there, but it's totally my debt honestly don't you worry about it" - but when she defaults in a few months it's you they go after.

This is a point @AwkwardArmadillo. You may be wise to check if any credit/loan has been taken out in your name/address which you may be liable for. Eg Experian, Equifax etc 🌹

Neopolitan · 09/05/2023 05:25

I'd be worried about her showing up. It seems she has enough disposable income to splurge on stuff like that.

I'd tell her you KNOW she ordered it the day after you told her, that she lied and is manipulative, and you think it's best you cool your friendship for awhile.

Neopolitan · 09/05/2023 05:29

I missed the blankets bit. Holy shit! Blankets are NOT CHEAP!! She clearly has money, so be careful!

Neopolitan · 09/05/2023 05:36

Actually forget 'cooling' the friendship, I agree with the previous posters. End it now! This woman is not only selfish, manipulative, and not a good friend; she sounds unstable and dangerous. I think it's time you ended the friendship for good. Lets face it she doesn't care about you so you don't actually have a friendship anyway, to end. However I would text her that you know she ordered it the day after, you find her selfish and manipulative, and you wish to end the friendship. Tell her you want her to not contact you again, and if she does, you will log it with police.

GracePalmer33 · 09/05/2023 07:06

I'd just shove the packages in a cupboard and forget about them for now.. no need to start faffing about trying to return them- are there so many of them that they're causing problems? Just leave them. She only ordered them to make you feel bad and make it look like she'd already spent money organising things to come "look after" you.

How psychotic to order things after you told her she wasn't coming. I don't think this necessarily means she's still planning on coming without permission- more so that it's meant to make you feel guilty and give in/tell her to come since you'll think she has already started making preparations.

It reminds me of something nutty I did when I was a teenager. My boyfriend dumped me a couple of weeks before Christmas. I went out the next day and bought him a Christmas present and then went round to give him it saying id already bought it so wanted him to have it. I thought it'd make him feel bad.. and... get back with me? God knows. Always a good idea to guilt people into being with you 😂😂NOT! Needless to say it didn't do anything and I was just down ££.. obviously!

RunningWaterElectricity · 09/05/2023 08:06

OP, I feel for you so much. You obviously have serious health stuff going on and this cray-cray bitch is making your life so much harder! Sadly you are the only one who can stop it. I would definitely send the message from earlier in the thread and mention police and then maybe block her so she can't cause you any more stress.

Bunnichick · 09/05/2023 08:35

@GracePalmer33 this made me smile

T1Dmama · 09/05/2023 09:12

I would send a polite message simply saying

”Sorry but I’m not going to change my mind about having you here after the birth, with this in mind I’ve repackaged the items from Amazon and will send them back tomorrow. Please make sure you’ve requested refunds at your end to ensure you get refunds.”

and then leave it there….

I’d maybe lie and say your mum and sister will be taking it in turns to help you after the birth.

3luckystars · 09/05/2023 09:30

OK. You have a level 5 clinger.
She is going to turn up. It’s only a matter of time so you need to protect yourself.

Tell her you have moved in with your mother and are no longer at that address.

T1Dmama · 09/05/2023 09:43

Personally I wouldn’t get nasty because that gives her ammunition to play the victim

JandalsAlways · 09/05/2023 09:45

Nanny0gg · 06/05/2023 14:48

It is quite easy to look for the OP's updates without having to wade through the whole thread though

You can't do that on the Samsung app

Topseyt123 · 09/05/2023 09:47

It's beginning to sound like harassment now, which is a crime. Return the stuff to Amazon.

Also, I'd tell her that if she does turn up you will not let her in and will, if necessary, call the police to have her removed.

T1Dmama · 09/05/2023 09:51

JandalsAlways · 09/05/2023 09:45

You can't do that on the Samsung app

I get an email alert saying OP has updated, click on that link and it takes you straight to it.
mor if it was your first comment… if you look at the OP then click ‘see all’ it will show you just her comments.

isthismylifenow · 09/05/2023 09:56

Neopolitan · 09/05/2023 05:29

I missed the blankets bit. Holy shit! Blankets are NOT CHEAP!! She clearly has money, so be careful!

This was my thinking too. If she is so financially strapped, why is she buying blankets and pillows and all sorts?

She would have to fly to OP. How do you get all that stuff back in flight luggage..... 🤔

T1Dmama · 09/05/2023 09:57

Please don’t threaten her with police etc..
She just sounds desperate to get away… but that’s not your problem!!
Just message her requesting she requests to return the items, say you’ve packaged them your end and will be returning to the address supplied on the invoice dated XYZ (so she knows you know when they were ordered!) & say please don’t send anything else as I’m staying at my mums for a while now so won’t be able to except any parcels.

just gently distance yourself now.. take longer to respond to her messages, don’t start conversations etc… it’s really sad but maybe one day she’ll contact you from a better place in her life and realise what she’s done and what she’s lost.

Hope all goes well and enjoy your baby x

Neopolitan · 09/05/2023 10:02

T1Dmama · 09/05/2023 09:57

Please don’t threaten her with police etc..
She just sounds desperate to get away… but that’s not your problem!!
Just message her requesting she requests to return the items, say you’ve packaged them your end and will be returning to the address supplied on the invoice dated XYZ (so she knows you know when they were ordered!) & say please don’t send anything else as I’m staying at my mums for a while now so won’t be able to except any parcels.

just gently distance yourself now.. take longer to respond to her messages, don’t start conversations etc… it’s really sad but maybe one day she’ll contact you from a better place in her life and realise what she’s done and what she’s lost.

Hope all goes well and enjoy your baby x

You're minimising how serious this is. She may be desperate, but she is manipulative, scheming and knows exactly what she is doing. The OP tried gently. It ever so clearly did not work. She needs the sledgehammer approach, and she most definitely needs to warn her that the police will get involved. That is the only thing that will stop her.

Topseyt123 · 09/05/2023 10:10

T1Dmama · 09/05/2023 09:57

Please don’t threaten her with police etc..
She just sounds desperate to get away… but that’s not your problem!!
Just message her requesting she requests to return the items, say you’ve packaged them your end and will be returning to the address supplied on the invoice dated XYZ (so she knows you know when they were ordered!) & say please don’t send anything else as I’m staying at my mums for a while now so won’t be able to except any parcels.

just gently distance yourself now.. take longer to respond to her messages, don’t start conversations etc… it’s really sad but maybe one day she’ll contact you from a better place in her life and realise what she’s done and what she’s lost.

Hope all goes well and enjoy your baby x

I wouldn't give a shit about how desperate she is. She is making OP feel pretty nervous and desperate to stop her.

No pussyfooting around. If she turns up after all that she has been told then time to go straight to the nuclear option.

Topseyt123 · 09/05/2023 10:18

T1Dmama · 09/05/2023 09:57

Please don’t threaten her with police etc..
She just sounds desperate to get away… but that’s not your problem!!
Just message her requesting she requests to return the items, say you’ve packaged them your end and will be returning to the address supplied on the invoice dated XYZ (so she knows you know when they were ordered!) & say please don’t send anything else as I’m staying at my mums for a while now so won’t be able to except any parcels.

just gently distance yourself now.. take longer to respond to her messages, don’t start conversations etc… it’s really sad but maybe one day she’ll contact you from a better place in her life and realise what she’s done and what she’s lost.

Hope all goes well and enjoy your baby x

Also, did you not read all of OP's posts?

The gentle distancing approach has been tried and tried but has not worked. "Friend" is paying no attention and has even accused OP of putting her in a difficult situation.

Gentle approach failed. Even telling her directly not to come also failed.

If she has the brass neck to still show up then the sledgehammer approach is all that remains and will be needed.

Newestname002 · 09/05/2023 11:05

3luckystars · 09/05/2023 09:30

OK. You have a level 5 clinger.
She is going to turn up. It’s only a matter of time so you need to protect yourself.

Tell her you have moved in with your mother and are no longer at that address.

Actually I think OP saying she's moved in with her mother would only encourage this "friend" to think great the house is empty even better for me and my son (not that she needs encouragement at all). If she thinks OP's family has moved into her house that's more of a barrier.

Hope you are doing OK today OP. 🌹

OnedayIwillfeelfree · 09/05/2023 12:10

Newestname002 · 09/05/2023 00:33

She may have taken out a new credit card to pay for all this OP. Possibly in your name and almost certainly at your address, with a feigning of total innocent reasoning "oh I had to use your address because the billing address has to match the delivery address, and I had to say your name as they have no record of me there, but it's totally my debt honestly don't you worry about it" - but when she defaults in a few months it's you they go after.

This is a point @AwkwardArmadillo. You may be wise to check if any credit/loan has been taken out in your name/address which you may be liable for. Eg Experian, Equifax etc 🌹

How dramatic can you get? You need more than a name and an address to open a credit card account; and if you open one online you have to upload ID, then send a photo/video that the company have to verify. Where do you think they sent the ‘new’ credit card to? To an address in another country? Are you being deliberately ridiculous, in order to make the OP feel more anxious?

JandalsAlways · 09/05/2023 12:12

T1Dmama · 09/05/2023 09:51

I get an email alert saying OP has updated, click on that link and it takes you straight to it.
mor if it was your first comment… if you look at the OP then click ‘see all’ it will show you just her comments.

With the Samaung app?

memyselfi · 09/05/2023 12:16

Lots of very polite people on here .
I'd have gone full scorched earth with her.

Thesharkradar · 09/05/2023 12:21

Her ordering the items to send to the ops place is certainly looks like an escalation. I'd say the question is will she back down now?
If she doesn't back down my concern would be that her next move is to turn up with her child claiming she has no where to go, a doorstep confrontation would put op in a very difficult position.