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AIBU to “cancel” my friend coming to help post birth?

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AwkwardArmadillo · 04/05/2023 00:13

I’m 33 weeks pregnant, likely to give birth via c section around 34-36wk (most likely 35) due to a combo of medical reasons which I won’t get fully into, but rather than a standard c-section, it’ll be an up and down cut (open laparotomy) potentially including a hysterectomy and other procedures.

Recovery is going to be tough and potentially include a substantial hospital stay for me. I hoped to get further along than 35ish weeks but for various reasons including a decline in my health, it won’t be possible.

this is my first and (obviously) likely only child.

I have a friend who lives a substantial distance away (flight needed).
While I do have strong local support, my friend offered to come to stay to help me with recovery and the new baby.

Around 16/17 weeks I was considering it and said I’d let her know. We remained in regular contact, but unfortunately, this clearly sounded like a “yes” to her and it became clear she assumed that’s what I meant. I have repeatedly said “we’ll see, and I’m not sure it’s a good idea” but she seems to want to argue it with me and I’ve not had the strength.

this pregnancy has been brutal, if I’m honest, with over 20 hospital admissions and multiple late nights at A+E plus a fair share of mental health struggles, I should’ve been more direct but I did express my concerns to her. I do admit my fault for not putting my foot down. There are many reasons I’ve turned off of the idea, and I’ll include her rebuttals. example:

friend has a 7yr old child. Obviously, the child would come with her. I don’t necessarily feel comfortable hosting a boisterous child, especially while dealing with a potentially difficult recovery road.

friend says “We’d have our own space, we’ll stay out of your way when you need a breather.” (I have a spare room).

I did also say there may be things related to my recovery that are messy, difficult, uncomfortable and she may not want her DC present to witness it. It’ll also be a nightmare for her DC if I have an extended stay in hospital IMHO.
friend says “If needed, DC can be left with a sitter.” But I know the expense for that would be mine to bear (explained further below).

friend has a low income, meaning I will be left footing the bill for her flights, travel, etc.

She knows I can technically afford it, but I’m trying really hard to save money/not touch savings because I’m taking substantial time off of work (and I’m self employed so mat pay etc is limited).
when I mention cost is an issue, suddenly she offers to pay half or “try to get a credit card” (for various reasons I doubt that would work).

I had a scare a few days ago (light bleeding, monitoring session in hospital), now she’s more insistent than ever, to the point where she’s disregarding that I don’t have time to accommodate her, settle her + her child in, travel several hours each way to do airport pick up, etc.

I know she can sense my hesitancy because recently all she wants to talk about is how “difficult” things are at home (she’s in her 30s but lives with her family, whereas I live alone) and how she “can’t wait for a break”. She’s also mentioned how “excited” her DS is to come. It’s becoming very clear to me that it’s less about helping me and more about helping herself, but I don’t see a way of navigating out of this while retaining our previously very lovely friendship of several years.

aibu to cancel this? And WIBU to ask MN for some advice as to how to go about it? I’ve been running around like a blue arsed fly putting my business into rest mode, so to speak, and making sure everything is ready for the baby. But I need to address this soon. Help?

OP posts:
ShandaLear · 04/05/2023 02:49

Dear friend, thank you for your kind offer to visit and help me. I’ve decided you don’t need to come down as I have plenty of support locally and would much rather have the house to myself while I recover. Once I’m healed we can arrange to meet up so you can meet baby.

FortofPud · 04/05/2023 03:38

Oh dear. Your friend sounds like she's struggling and need her own support. But that's in no way your job at the moment as you have a tiny new person to prioritise whilst juggling your own difficult recovery.

I'd say she's hoping to make herself indispensable to you and get to stay on for a long time. I think I'd ignore the fact that she has decided she's coming and respond in keeping with your messages to her. "We're getting close now so i've been thinking about your suggestion to come and stay. It's a lovely idea but I've decided in practice it just won't work for me. So sweet that DS is excited about the baby, we'll have to facetime so he can meet it!"

Babyimyours · 04/05/2023 04:02

Am I the only person who thinks the OP has her head in the sand about how difficult caring for a newborn is going to be after such major surgery including a possible hysterectomy as well as other health issues? Without a partner? A meal service and a cleaner are not going to cut it.

Take the help. It’s a rare friend who offers such hands on assistance. If she’s as lovely as you say she is she’ll be thinking of your welfare. She’s had her own child so knows what it’s about. I’d bite her hand off at the offer, frankly!

ninemonthstime · 04/05/2023 04:11

It sounds like she'll come and stay and then you'd never get rid of her!

Tell her a family member is coming to stay!

LovingLivingLife · 04/05/2023 04:13

Babyimyours · 04/05/2023 04:02

Am I the only person who thinks the OP has her head in the sand about how difficult caring for a newborn is going to be after such major surgery including a possible hysterectomy as well as other health issues? Without a partner? A meal service and a cleaner are not going to cut it.

Take the help. It’s a rare friend who offers such hands on assistance. If she’s as lovely as you say she is she’ll be thinking of your welfare. She’s had her own child so knows what it’s about. I’d bite her hand off at the offer, frankly!

Yes, this! Just going through recovery for a basic csection myself and the first weeks are no joke.

OP is there anyone else who could come and stay for the first 2 weeks/ month?

Thirdsummerofourdiscontent · 04/05/2023 04:21

you definitely will need help with that type of C-section but is she the best option?

Clymene · 04/05/2023 04:24

The OP's said she's likely to be hospital for some time so post partum support at home may be irrelevant.

Please do tell her tomorrow that she cannot come. Be very clear. Your finances need to go on prioritising your own family, not subbing a friend's holiday.

Thirdsummerofourdiscontent · 04/05/2023 04:24

TBH she seems clueless and overbearing, being hormonal and in pain and the stress of a newborn, someone like that would just tip me over the edge.

Clymene · 04/05/2023 04:27

And you honestly have nothing to feel guilty about. She's totally taking advantage of you.

Wingingit11 · 04/05/2023 04:44

OP this sounds so difficult, I feel for you. I wonder if her heart is in the right place as she is worried about a need to support for you the reasons above ie surgery and so you have company and support? For me personally when my first arrived it was a large shock. I totally get that you might just want to cocoon but I wonder if it’s better to manage this on the lines of, you don’t want her to book anything until you can see how things are going, it is uncertain when you’ll be released etc? You might actually want help and support when the time comes.
Wishing you much happiness - I am a single parent from a v young age of kids and it’s been the absolute making of me and of course being a mummy is an honour and privilege.

lemonchiffonpie · 04/05/2023 04:48

Babyimyours · 04/05/2023 04:02

Am I the only person who thinks the OP has her head in the sand about how difficult caring for a newborn is going to be after such major surgery including a possible hysterectomy as well as other health issues? Without a partner? A meal service and a cleaner are not going to cut it.

Take the help. It’s a rare friend who offers such hands on assistance. If she’s as lovely as you say she is she’ll be thinking of your welfare. She’s had her own child so knows what it’s about. I’d bite her hand off at the offer, frankly!

Except she is coming with a "boisterous" 7 year old.

She has expressed, OP says, that she "can't wait for a break" from her own life. She will expect, OP says, for OP to drive "several hours each way" to pick her and said child up at the airport. And "friend has a low income, meaning I will be left footing the bill for her flights, travel, etc."

It would be cheaper and far more relaxing to see what level of care and help is needed after the hospital stay and arrange for family, or the "local support" OP mentioned, or a paid nurse to stay.

artimesiasfootsteps · 04/05/2023 05:01

I had a c section and had a bit of a time of the pregnancy (like you) and my health visitor applied successfully for home help for me for 8 weeks (which is as extended for as long as I needed) while I recovered.

I would tell your friend that you have been arranged trained medical staff in the form of home help by the council, they will take up your spare room/ space and that to qualify you can’t have anyone in the house. (I think you should also ask for the details of your local HV so they can arrange this for you).

Don’t over explain just state the above and then just say that it’s arranged, thanks but no thanks.

VestaTilley · 04/05/2023 05:08

Do you have a partner? He/she should be helping you through this.

If not, how long was your friend planning on staying for? How would her DC go to school if she lives abroad and stays a while?

I’d just tell her no thank you. But, in your circumstances you will need help. Hire a maternity nurse or short term nanny, or get a doula at least. Fill your freezer with meals now and maybe set up a bed and Moses basket downstairs so you don’t have to climb stairs. I’m not sure I’d attempt breastfeeding either with such a wound to recover from, so have in bottles and ready mixed formula to make the early days as easy as possible. On no account try to do this on your own.

user1492757084 · 04/05/2023 05:20

I would plan to not require the friend until the child is two weeks old.
That will give you a chance to assess your needs.
I would also very clearly state that the best advice is that your friend comes without her child. Your baby will not be vaccinated for two months.
Once your friend has been there with you for a week or two, she will wish to return to her own daughter.
I think you need to make definite time boundaries and inform your friend but to leave her out completely is cuel when you did ask for her help in the beginning.

PollyThePixie · 04/05/2023 05:21

You poor thing, you really are going through the mill. I had what’s called a staging laparotomy and I was filleted like a fish. Recovery was good but it still took time. But even with all that was removed from me as well as the additional prospect of cancer I’d say it as nothing like having a baby at the same time as everything else. You don’t need this headache from your friend and it’s great you’re aware of this so hopefully the thread will help you muster up the courage to find a way to tell her that on medical advice you’re not making any arrangements for once you’ve left hospital. That you’ll be playing it very much by ear and taking each day as it comes with the help of your family popping in daily if need be.

All the best to you and your wee one. 💐

lemonchiffonpie · 04/05/2023 05:23

but to leave her out completely is cuel when you did ask for her help in the beginning.

No, she didn't. The friend offered, and the OP told her she'd "let her know".

PollyThePixie · 04/05/2023 05:29

Sorry, and just to say that you’re going to need way more help than you imagine. It’s not making an invalid out of you and no one’s suggesting you’re incapable or something of a wall flower if you need help. But what you’re having done is major surgery and even if you're the kind of person who just pushes on and takes pride in being ‘strong/not making a fuss/just getting on with things’ you’ll need help (of the proper kind). I’m also a bit concerned about your friends daughter. How much do you know about her and why she’s home schooled. I’m concerned you’re going to have a child who perhaps has specific needs having to cope in a strange environment and possibly not cope.

OneDayInYourLife · 04/05/2023 05:41

She's clearly pursuing this for noting but her own benefit, so don't be too worried about where the friendship goes from here and focus on yourself and your new baby.

babyproblems · 04/05/2023 05:48

Be crystal clear with her and spell it out. Don’t let her bully you into what she wants.

I have to say reading your op I do think you’ll need help.. is someone else able to come and stay with you?? Could you consider a doula or a live in nanny? I do think you will need more support

DisquietintheRanks · 04/05/2023 05:48

Babyimyours · 04/05/2023 04:02

Am I the only person who thinks the OP has her head in the sand about how difficult caring for a newborn is going to be after such major surgery including a possible hysterectomy as well as other health issues? Without a partner? A meal service and a cleaner are not going to cut it.

Take the help. It’s a rare friend who offers such hands on assistance. If she’s as lovely as you say she is she’ll be thinking of your welfare. She’s had her own child so knows what it’s about. I’d bite her hand off at the offer, frankly!

No, I agree.

@AwkwardArmadillo you may not want this friend but you will need someone staying with you for the first few weeks (or at least with you 12+ hours a day). Is that the sort of help you have locally? Because a meals service and people popping in isn't going to cut it.

Coffeelotsofcoffee · 04/05/2023 05:56

Oh honey no. Sounds like she'll be a complete nightmare. Just say look sorry can we postpone until im better, hopefully a few "months" after birth .then hope she forgets about it.
Also not on that u have to pay her expenses

monotonemusings · 04/05/2023 06:01

OneDayInYourLife · 04/05/2023 05:41

She's clearly pursuing this for noting but her own benefit, so don't be too worried about where the friendship goes from here and focus on yourself and your new baby.

This.

Babies can change friendships anyway

Ladybug14 · 04/05/2023 06:05

Don't make excuses as Friend will simply provide rebuttals

Just tell her clearly that you don't want her to come, that you are paying for a nurse and or carers and family are helping

Tell her that you'll keep in touch by text/whatsapp/zoom when and if you can

Do NOT suggest she comes to stay at a different time

This will possibly harm your friendship and be prepared for that. But you MUST put yourself first

Coffeelotsofcoffee · 04/05/2023 06:05

Op .you cant drive for 6 weeks after a c section. You won't be able to collect her from the airport

ThomasinaLivesHere · 04/05/2023 06:07

Don’t give any clear time frame of when she can come as she’ll take that as an invite. If you say in 2 months maybe by then you still won’t want her there.

And like others say be clear and leave no room for misinterpretation