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AIBU to “cancel” my friend coming to help post birth?

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AwkwardArmadillo · 04/05/2023 00:13

I’m 33 weeks pregnant, likely to give birth via c section around 34-36wk (most likely 35) due to a combo of medical reasons which I won’t get fully into, but rather than a standard c-section, it’ll be an up and down cut (open laparotomy) potentially including a hysterectomy and other procedures.

Recovery is going to be tough and potentially include a substantial hospital stay for me. I hoped to get further along than 35ish weeks but for various reasons including a decline in my health, it won’t be possible.

this is my first and (obviously) likely only child.

I have a friend who lives a substantial distance away (flight needed).
While I do have strong local support, my friend offered to come to stay to help me with recovery and the new baby.

Around 16/17 weeks I was considering it and said I’d let her know. We remained in regular contact, but unfortunately, this clearly sounded like a “yes” to her and it became clear she assumed that’s what I meant. I have repeatedly said “we’ll see, and I’m not sure it’s a good idea” but she seems to want to argue it with me and I’ve not had the strength.

this pregnancy has been brutal, if I’m honest, with over 20 hospital admissions and multiple late nights at A+E plus a fair share of mental health struggles, I should’ve been more direct but I did express my concerns to her. I do admit my fault for not putting my foot down. There are many reasons I’ve turned off of the idea, and I’ll include her rebuttals. example:

friend has a 7yr old child. Obviously, the child would come with her. I don’t necessarily feel comfortable hosting a boisterous child, especially while dealing with a potentially difficult recovery road.

friend says “We’d have our own space, we’ll stay out of your way when you need a breather.” (I have a spare room).

I did also say there may be things related to my recovery that are messy, difficult, uncomfortable and she may not want her DC present to witness it. It’ll also be a nightmare for her DC if I have an extended stay in hospital IMHO.
friend says “If needed, DC can be left with a sitter.” But I know the expense for that would be mine to bear (explained further below).

friend has a low income, meaning I will be left footing the bill for her flights, travel, etc.

She knows I can technically afford it, but I’m trying really hard to save money/not touch savings because I’m taking substantial time off of work (and I’m self employed so mat pay etc is limited).
when I mention cost is an issue, suddenly she offers to pay half or “try to get a credit card” (for various reasons I doubt that would work).

I had a scare a few days ago (light bleeding, monitoring session in hospital), now she’s more insistent than ever, to the point where she’s disregarding that I don’t have time to accommodate her, settle her + her child in, travel several hours each way to do airport pick up, etc.

I know she can sense my hesitancy because recently all she wants to talk about is how “difficult” things are at home (she’s in her 30s but lives with her family, whereas I live alone) and how she “can’t wait for a break”. She’s also mentioned how “excited” her DS is to come. It’s becoming very clear to me that it’s less about helping me and more about helping herself, but I don’t see a way of navigating out of this while retaining our previously very lovely friendship of several years.

aibu to cancel this? And WIBU to ask MN for some advice as to how to go about it? I’ve been running around like a blue arsed fly putting my business into rest mode, so to speak, and making sure everything is ready for the baby. But I need to address this soon. Help?

OP posts:
sonjadog · 04/05/2023 08:16

If she thinks she is coming this weekend, then you need to tell her as soon as possible. Don’t wait any more.

Fraaahnces · 04/05/2023 08:20

even if her whole home is packed up, don’t let her step foot in your door.

Inkpotlover · 04/05/2023 08:20

Have you messaged her yet, @AwkwardArmadillo? Lots of great examples of what to say on this thread.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 04/05/2023 08:21

Babyimyours · 04/05/2023 04:02

Am I the only person who thinks the OP has her head in the sand about how difficult caring for a newborn is going to be after such major surgery including a possible hysterectomy as well as other health issues? Without a partner? A meal service and a cleaner are not going to cut it.

Take the help. It’s a rare friend who offers such hands on assistance. If she’s as lovely as you say she is she’ll be thinking of your welfare. She’s had her own child so knows what it’s about. I’d bite her hand off at the offer, frankly!

I agree!! Take the help, you will need it. Book her flight so she has to go back on a certain date but honestly, you will need help and more than a bit of shopping etc.

AwkwardArmadillo · 04/05/2023 08:22

Inkpotlover · 04/05/2023 08:20

Have you messaged her yet, @AwkwardArmadillo? Lots of great examples of what to say on this thread.

Not yet, bracing myself with a decaf coffee. But I will be messaging her today about it. I probably won’t incorporate an excuse as originally planned as if I do, I understand she’ll see it as a house sitting opportunity 🤦🏻‍♀️.

OP posts:
FiloPasty · 04/05/2023 08:23

Yes you might have home start volunteers in your area. I was offered them as I had premature twins.

CoffeeYes · 04/05/2023 08:26

AwkwardArmadillo · 04/05/2023 07:56

To be clear, the reason why she’s pushing so much right now is because she wants me to do it now, as in, as early as this coming weekend. i.e before I give birth.
Which, even if I wanted her over, would be a nightmare because I’m exhausted, need to finish preparing etc. my hospital bag has been repacked 8 times this week 😂

sorry for anyone I’m missing I’m trying to get through the comments but without repeating myself endlessly.

Just tell her that you have lots of family who live locally and they have offered to support you. Also say you don’t feel up to guests staying for long periods of time. Explicitly say: ‘I’ve been thinking about your offer but I’m going to have to decline. I have lots of family support and they live locally. It would be great to see you though next time you’re visiting this country.’

It’s really odd that she expects you to pay for their flights, host them in your house and pay for all their food in exchange for her ‘helping’ you with the baby (when you don’t need the help as you have family nearby). It sounds like she wants to stay as long as possible and perhaps indefinitely. Don’t pay for anything and don’t let her stay.

SliceOfCakeCupOfTea · 04/05/2023 08:27

Good luck OP.

Looks like you've had some sound advice and have support/plans in place for after the birth.

Pull the plaster off and do it sooner rather than later.

I'm still amazed you'd be footing the bill for her and her child's travel!

riseabovetheshite · 04/05/2023 08:28

God no OP. That would be an endurance test having her and her child there. You HAVE to let her know and do NOT be swayed. She will be more of a hindrance than a help.

However, you WILL need help. There are plenty of agencies who offer this. You need a professional not just someone who is going to land on your doorstep with no money and their homeschooled kid for their jollies. Fuck no.

Inkpotlover · 04/05/2023 08:29

AwkwardArmadillo · 04/05/2023 08:22

Not yet, bracing myself with a decaf coffee. But I will be messaging her today about it. I probably won’t incorporate an excuse as originally planned as if I do, I understand she’ll see it as a house sitting opportunity 🤦🏻‍♀️.

Sensible! I think the offer for her to come in eight weeks is far better. The weather will be nicer and you'll hopefully be up and about and can go out to the park etc with her DS and the baby in the pram.

ItchycooParkCult · 04/05/2023 08:29

AwkwardArmadillo · 04/05/2023 08:16

I can’t find the comment now, but someone mentioned HV’s can help set up home care/support. I didn’t actually know that and meet mine for the first time tomorrow. I’ll definitely ask what home support is available.

Mobility aids! You’ll need them for the loo and showering. Ask about a riser seat for the loo or a frame for the loo that has grab handles to help push yourself up, a shower stool, a walking frame with tray can be incredibly useful given the surgery you’re having.

definitely buy yourself a grabby stick - the kind used by litter pickers. After my abdominal surgery (my recovery was nothing like yours will be) was an absolute lifesaver. Because I couldn’t lift, squat or bend for a few weeks.

you’ll likely have nurse visits to change dressings and check wounds.

you can get home carer support for things like showering, dressing and toileting if you struggle with mobility after, they can even make sure you’ve take your meds and prep a meal depending on the company and your needs.

FictionalCharacter · 04/05/2023 08:30

Please, tell her directly she's not coming, and do it today asap. She needs to stop planning to come.
You're very kind to consider the potential effect on her child - who probably thinks she's getting a fun holiday - but you don't need to. You must think only of your needs, which are considerable, and the baby's. Having someone else's 7 year old living in my house when I was recovering from a CS with premature twins would have been unthinkable.
Your friend was setting herself up to be an expense-paid assistant. She isn't the right person to do that. However much she likes you she was always going to prioritise looking after her own child while she lives in your home.
She'll be upset and you'll feel guilty, which is probably what scares you. She'll try to persuade you. But you just can't let her come. If she cries or sulks, so be it, you have more important things to deal with.

MucozadeOnLucozade · 04/05/2023 08:34

Be kind and honest and say medical people advise no visitors or something. Or you're going to live elsewhere.

I had a friend come and stay just two days soon after I gave birth. She was a nightmare, she expected to be waited on hand and foot. She followed me around the house and didn't stop asking questions, even when I was trying to eat. She kept standing right in the way of everything I tried to do and told me not to do any washing up (I was sterilising the baby bottles and she didn't appreciate it was an important job to do). We ended up never seeing her again.

Good luck with your new baby and speedy recovery.

Isthisasgoodasitis · 04/05/2023 08:37

My youngest was born at 35 weeks, we were in hospital for four months when I finally got home I just wanted peace and quiet to bond with my baby swapping the hospital environment for a friend with child jumping every time I move or baby stirs would be hell I would definitely tell her you need quiet and you will let her know if you need her

BeverlyBrook · 04/05/2023 08:41

Good luck.
Be really clear.
REALLY clear.

Lobelia123 · 04/05/2023 08:41

The fact that she seems to be (1) regarding this all as some kind of holiday for her and her child, (2) when you will be recovering after major surgery and with significant medical and care needs and (3) she seems to be outrageously entitled about it and is forcing her way through, are all major red flags. But equally, by letting it slide like this you are building her unrealistic expectations. You HAVE to clear this up, NOW

waterrat · 04/05/2023 08:42

Op your friend may on one level mean well but she is not being thoughtful here at al.

This is about being 'assertive' rather than rude - you have to set boundaries while accepting that may make her unhappy. one of the problem people have with setting boundaries is they worry about the reaction of the other person - if you are very clear and polite then beyond that her reaction is her problem/

You can say - hi I'm sorry if this hasn't been clear in my communication so far (acknowledging you have not been completely clear) - but I definitely don't want visitors in those first weeks staying with me. Its so kind of you to offer and I look forward to seeing you once I'm up on my feet

Im truly shocked she is talking about bringing a 7 year old and relying on you in any way at all for lifts/ housing - it's really alarming and a sign she will not have your interests at heart.

RunningRunningRunningRunningRunning · 04/05/2023 08:44

You can just say no you know. All this about it being messy etc and not wanting to have a 7 year old around for this reason unless you are walking around your house with a gaping wound and no pants on you really don't need to invent excuses like this. A simple I've decided I don't want people staying, I can get help from local friends and family who don't need to be staying in the house.

Where's the father of your child on all this? Doesn't he want to be involved/help even if you aren't together anymore surely he will help with shopping/practical things etc. You would probably be more comfortable with your mum helping around the house as you don't have to be quite so polite with her!

Sugarfree23 · 04/05/2023 08:46

Dear Friend
I been thinking about I don't think it's a good idea to have you and DS here just after my baby is born.
I think it's better for me to go and stay with my mum for a bit.

I have been reviewing my finances and cannot afford flights either. COL time of during pregnancy etc.

Once I'm on a better and on a more stable footing I'll maybe visit you (cheaper than you visiting me only.one ticket)

someoneisalwaysintheloo · 04/05/2023 08:47

It sounds like she's planning to move in by stealth under the guise of helping.

You need to be direct with her and tell her you don't need her help.

GG1986 · 04/05/2023 08:49

If you have baby early is there a chance it will be in nicu for a couple of weeks anyway? and you in hospital for a few days/week? There is no way if I was recovering from a complicated c section that I would want to host my friend and her boisterous 7 year old in my home, especially with a newborn, those first few weeks are for bonding and feeding. You have to be firm and say NO! If she gets angry then she is no good friend and cut her off for stressing you out. I had a friend that kept asking when she could visit the day we got home, my close relatives hadn't met baby yet so I had to be firm and say no.

Pluvia · 04/05/2023 08:50

The friend is clearly looking for an escape from her own issues at home and that's really not what you need. She's going to play 'Yes, but...' with you until have to be really brutal. You need someone who won't bring more troubles to your door.

I'd be blunt, to the point of offending her. 'It was kind of you to offer to look after me after the birth, I mean that, but it doesn't suit me and I don't want you to come. It's not up for negotiation, it's a no thank-you.' Better to squash her hope of a free break than leave the door even slightly open.

Once that's done and off you mind you'll need to discuss with family and friends what support they can realistically offer and develop a plan. Good luck.

lovemelongtime · 04/05/2023 08:51

autienotnaughtym · 04/05/2023 02:42

She sounds pushy. You definitely need to be direct.

Dear friend

Thank you for your offer of coming to help after baby is here. I know we have discussed the pros and cons over the past few months. After lots of thought I have decided it would be better if you didn't come. I will need the time and privacy to focus on my baby and recovery. You are such a good friend I know you will understand. I will of course send pics of lo once they are here. And once things settle down we can absolutely consider a visit. I will let you know when that is. Thank you for your ongoing support.

This

Clymene · 04/05/2023 08:52

Even if you do need help, it would be probably cheaper and definitely more useful for you to pay for a private midwife/doula rather than your friend and son.

Shelefttheweb · 04/05/2023 08:54

Be direct, no excuses, no ‘think’, ‘unfortunately’, ‘sorry’, ‘visit later’. “Dear CF, you have not been listening to me. I do not want you to come.”

When you are discharged from hospital, stay with your mum for the first week.

Do not even think about going for a drive of several hours (or even an hour) at this stage of a medically risky pregnancy. Even the healthiest pregnant woman would find that exhausting and uncomfortable. For you, what would happen if you develop a health issue so far from your home hospital with your medical team who know you? It is not worth the risk.

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