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AIBU to “cancel” my friend coming to help post birth?

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AwkwardArmadillo · 04/05/2023 00:13

I’m 33 weeks pregnant, likely to give birth via c section around 34-36wk (most likely 35) due to a combo of medical reasons which I won’t get fully into, but rather than a standard c-section, it’ll be an up and down cut (open laparotomy) potentially including a hysterectomy and other procedures.

Recovery is going to be tough and potentially include a substantial hospital stay for me. I hoped to get further along than 35ish weeks but for various reasons including a decline in my health, it won’t be possible.

this is my first and (obviously) likely only child.

I have a friend who lives a substantial distance away (flight needed).
While I do have strong local support, my friend offered to come to stay to help me with recovery and the new baby.

Around 16/17 weeks I was considering it and said I’d let her know. We remained in regular contact, but unfortunately, this clearly sounded like a “yes” to her and it became clear she assumed that’s what I meant. I have repeatedly said “we’ll see, and I’m not sure it’s a good idea” but she seems to want to argue it with me and I’ve not had the strength.

this pregnancy has been brutal, if I’m honest, with over 20 hospital admissions and multiple late nights at A+E plus a fair share of mental health struggles, I should’ve been more direct but I did express my concerns to her. I do admit my fault for not putting my foot down. There are many reasons I’ve turned off of the idea, and I’ll include her rebuttals. example:

friend has a 7yr old child. Obviously, the child would come with her. I don’t necessarily feel comfortable hosting a boisterous child, especially while dealing with a potentially difficult recovery road.

friend says “We’d have our own space, we’ll stay out of your way when you need a breather.” (I have a spare room).

I did also say there may be things related to my recovery that are messy, difficult, uncomfortable and she may not want her DC present to witness it. It’ll also be a nightmare for her DC if I have an extended stay in hospital IMHO.
friend says “If needed, DC can be left with a sitter.” But I know the expense for that would be mine to bear (explained further below).

friend has a low income, meaning I will be left footing the bill for her flights, travel, etc.

She knows I can technically afford it, but I’m trying really hard to save money/not touch savings because I’m taking substantial time off of work (and I’m self employed so mat pay etc is limited).
when I mention cost is an issue, suddenly she offers to pay half or “try to get a credit card” (for various reasons I doubt that would work).

I had a scare a few days ago (light bleeding, monitoring session in hospital), now she’s more insistent than ever, to the point where she’s disregarding that I don’t have time to accommodate her, settle her + her child in, travel several hours each way to do airport pick up, etc.

I know she can sense my hesitancy because recently all she wants to talk about is how “difficult” things are at home (she’s in her 30s but lives with her family, whereas I live alone) and how she “can’t wait for a break”. She’s also mentioned how “excited” her DS is to come. It’s becoming very clear to me that it’s less about helping me and more about helping herself, but I don’t see a way of navigating out of this while retaining our previously very lovely friendship of several years.

aibu to cancel this? And WIBU to ask MN for some advice as to how to go about it? I’ve been running around like a blue arsed fly putting my business into rest mode, so to speak, and making sure everything is ready for the baby. But I need to address this soon. Help?

OP posts:
ButterflyOil · 04/05/2023 08:54

So she’s a single parent (albeit living with family)? And you’re about to become a single parent. She has no real ties to where she is because of homeschooling and her zero hours contract, no home to worry about sorting since she lives with family and she’s already in the process of wrapping things up in case she’s needed for longer?

Yea she’s planning to move in with you. Sounds like she’s decided you can create a nice new family together - two mums and two kids. At your expense.

She’s really not your friend . If she was, she’d never be pushing the way she is. She’s got her eyes on a new life for herself and her child with you and isn’t easily going to let this go. I’d honestly prepare to lose the friendship entirely at this point as she’s shown what she is about and has no consideration for you when you are so vulnerable - in fact, she’s used this as a perfect opportunity to get something from you and to cost you a lot of money as well. What sort of friend does that?

AwkwardArmadillo · 04/05/2023 08:54

For those asking, no father on the scene, hasn’t been the whole time, so he’s not particularly missed. I knew by 8 weeks that he wasn’t going to be a feature.

OP posts:
Hazelnuttella · 04/05/2023 08:55

Good luck with the message OP. You’re definitely doing the right thing.

As others have mentioned see if there is Home Start or similar in your area.

ButterflyOil · 04/05/2023 08:56

And also it’s well known that abusive partners often come out when the woman is pregnant. Friends can also carry out this dynamic. You’re vulnerable right now and about to become even more so with surgery and a new baby. So she’s pounced.

ArrrMeHearties · 04/05/2023 08:56

Just tell her that no it won't work her staying and you will get back to her when it does. If she goes in a huff then so be it. She sounds rather overbearing tbh

AwkwardArmadillo · 04/05/2023 08:56

ButterflyOil · 04/05/2023 08:54

So she’s a single parent (albeit living with family)? And you’re about to become a single parent. She has no real ties to where she is because of homeschooling and her zero hours contract, no home to worry about sorting since she lives with family and she’s already in the process of wrapping things up in case she’s needed for longer?

Yea she’s planning to move in with you. Sounds like she’s decided you can create a nice new family together - two mums and two kids. At your expense.

She’s really not your friend . If she was, she’d never be pushing the way she is. She’s got her eyes on a new life for herself and her child with you and isn’t easily going to let this go. I’d honestly prepare to lose the friendship entirely at this point as she’s shown what she is about and has no consideration for you when you are so vulnerable - in fact, she’s used this as a perfect opportunity to get something from you and to cost you a lot of money as well. What sort of friend does that?

That is something I’m keeping in mind, as well. That while I’m concerned for her feelings, situation, child etc, she’s showing no concern for mine. I know I sound like a wet leaf but I have objected often. I should’ve been more direct with it, obviously, but I can’t imagine steamrolling on ahead if someone told me “I don’t think you two coming is a good idea.”

OP posts:
Whichnumbers · 04/05/2023 08:57

It would be cheaper and easier to hire help for after the birth.

by the time you’ve paid for two flights and food to feed them it’s not going to be much less than £600/700

if you hire daily help, cleaning, cooking etc you’d easily get 2/3 hours a day for 4 weeks

IncompleteSenten · 04/05/2023 09:00

You have to say a clear and direct no.

Even if that means the end of the friendship.

Which, tbh, doesn't sound like a great loss.

Justalittlebitduckling · 04/05/2023 09:02

recently all she wants to talk about is how “difficult” things are at home (she’s in her 30s but lives with her family, whereas I live alone) and how she “can’t wait for a break”. She’s also mentioned how “excited” her DS is to come. It’s becoming very clear to me that it’s less about helping me and more about helping herself,

She is a CF for thinking she can use coming to be with you post-partum as an excuse for a break. No way Hosea, absolutely not. Her mind frame isn’t right to be helpful to you at all.

ButterflyOil · 04/05/2023 09:03

I don’t think you sound like a wet leaf! You’ve had a hell of a lot to deal with in the last few months and she’s not taken no for an answer. I do think though that it is time to match her energy really - think of yourself and what’s right for you and your baby.

Shelefttheweb · 04/05/2023 09:05

If she is like this before she arrives, just imagine what she would be like once she has moved in!

Backtobed · 04/05/2023 09:06

I wouldn't mourn the loss of this friend too much anyway to be honest. You're about to go through something serious and all she cares about is her scheme to move in with you by stealth.

ejbaxa · 04/05/2023 09:08

You will need to clearly say no. Now. No, no, no, not under any circumstances. If it costs you the friendship, then so be it. You also need to have someone at the ready to tell her to fuck off and get her out even if she tries to stay a single night. She is not going to help you. She’s going to spend your money and stress you out.

MinnieGirl · 04/05/2023 09:08

Dear CF
Kind of you to offer to help out but as you know I have expressed concerns for months now. And I really can’t accommodate you and your 7 year old post surgery. It really would be too much.

My health care providers have been incredible and have set up some home care support for me by professionals who will care for me and baby.

Therefore I don’t need you to come over. I will keep you updated about baby once she/he arrives and send you a picture

Armadillo

Watersun · 04/05/2023 09:12

She sounds quite selfish so I would not expect her to respond in a mature way to something she doesn't want to hear.

lemonchiffonpie · 04/05/2023 09:13

autienotnaughtym · 04/05/2023 02:42

She sounds pushy. You definitely need to be direct.

Dear friend

Thank you for your offer of coming to help after baby is here. I know we have discussed the pros and cons over the past few months. After lots of thought I have decided it would be better if you didn't come. I will need the time and privacy to focus on my baby and recovery. You are such a good friend I know you will understand. I will of course send pics of lo once they are here. And once things settle down we can absolutely consider a visit. I will let you know when that is. Thank you for your ongoing support.

Thank you for your offer of coming to help after baby is here. I know we have discussed the pros and cons over the past few months. After lots of thought I have decided it would be better if you didn't come. I will need the time and privacy to focus on my baby and recovery. You are such a good friend I know you will understand.

This. A nice clear friendly "shit sandwich".

But I'd leave out all mention of her coming later. Just deal with the pressure to visit now, and quashing the idea, not introducing the notion of any "later".

PinkFootstool · 04/05/2023 09:14

Agree that she's looking to move in permanently - or as long as she can blag - and you'll have a nightmare getting them to leave... It'll be rent free after all, and under the guise of you NEEDING HER to stay.

FeelingHelpless99 · 04/05/2023 09:17

She sounds like a nightmare, doing this probably for selfish reasons.

Have no qualms about putting yourself and your baby first - you have a momentous and rocky road in front of you.

I hope all goes well 💐

Yogazmum · 04/05/2023 09:18

Lots of advice on how to say no.
Just to say, definitely do not let her come to ‘help’
I made the mistake of asking parents to come and ‘help’ me and it was a total nightmare! I ended up doing everything for them including cooking etc as they were ‘exhausted!’
My son was 2 and I had had an operation. DH had had to go back to work so they were supposed to help with my recuperation. I ended up sending them home early as they were wearing me out. It was so stressful and I was really upset with them. They never knew but still to this day, I feel bitter at how crap they were.
Good luck and stay strong 💪🏼

defineme · 04/05/2023 09:19

Firstly, YANBU and send a firm message ASAP. Secondly, I've had a total hysterectomy with the same incision and had babies, but not at the same time. Physically it was the hysterectomy that floored me. Try and stay in hospital as long as possible and have your local help on stand by because I couldn't do much beyond going to the loo on my own for the first 2 weeks. I hope it's possible to have HRT because instantaneous total menopause is full on too. The right help is essential. You'll be out the other side with your beautiful baby before you know it xxx

FictionalCharacter · 04/05/2023 09:19

And please don't make the excuses people are suggesting or offer sweeteners. If you say you're staying somewhere else (which would be a barefaced lie, why would you say that?!) she'll want to house sit. If you invite her to come later on it just pushes the problem further down the line. Just tell her you don't want her coming to stay.

If you do decide to let her visit after you've recovered, which frankly will be a while, make it short with a definite leaving date, don't pay for her, don't travel for hours to the airport and don't let her believe she's doing you a favour. If she wants to visit but can't afford it, she can't come. I can't imagine being cheeky enough to expect a friend to pay for me to visit them.

FeelingHelpless99 · 04/05/2023 09:23

I’d tell her you’ll be in touch when you’re ready, and then block her.

Who pushily sponges off a pregnant / new mother with health issues?! Red flags all over this.

Nanaof1 · 04/05/2023 09:24

ninemonthstime · 04/05/2023 04:11

It sounds like she'll come and stay and then you'd never get rid of her!

Tell her a family member is coming to stay!

I was wondering if there are "squatters rights" in the UK like there are here in the States.

OP--use any of the wonderful examples of notes here but do not put it off any longer. THAT would be unfair. Also, please make sure you have some family that will be able to pitch in or a friend that isn't such an emotional vampire as your one "friend". You are going to need help for a minimum of 3–4 weeks, just a heads-up. You may THINK you'll be okay without help, but you need to have it arranged. Better to be prepared than to be caught flat on the floor.

Lochjeda · 04/05/2023 09:25

Honestly just message her and say

"Morning x, hope you and your are well. I have had a serious think about your offer to come stay and have decided that it isn't going to work for me. I know this may not be what you want to hear, but it is what I feel is in my best interests whilst recovering and for now thats what I need to prioritise, I hope you can understand, respect and appreciate this"

Lochjeda · 04/05/2023 09:26

Lochjeda · 04/05/2023 09:25

Honestly just message her and say

"Morning x, hope you and your are well. I have had a serious think about your offer to come stay and have decided that it isn't going to work for me. I know this may not be what you want to hear, but it is what I feel is in my best interests whilst recovering and for now thats what I need to prioritise, I hope you can understand, respect and appreciate this"

*"hope you and y (child) are well" not your!