To wonder how a biological male has won a women's cycling race?

[houseselling]

Seriously why are the sporting organisations so slow to stop biological men from entering the world of women's sport that they so predictably end up winning and stealing titles and opportunities from biological women.

The mind boggles in rage.

@Sugarfree23 but if you are going for option b anyway, why no speak up.

Option a is just enabling the governing bodies/sponsors to keep their heads in the sand. Time to make a fuss.

Because this is the silly world we live in now and it’s hard to say anything without being called a bigot, nazi or TERF. This is what happens slowly but surely when you start letting people make up their own pronouns and genders. Everyone else is expected to throw common sense out the window and go along with it all. I think men who do this sort of thing are either failed male athletes looking for easier competition or perverts who love exposing themselves in changing rooms..

Exactly this. What the 'time to draw the line' re sport really means is 'ai understand this and it affects something I'm interested in'. It's just another form of misogyny. People don't really believe that women are being raped by men in prisons, or if they do, they, deep down think that those women are lesser and might even deserve it. It is disgusting.
Men are never women, for any purpose. Trans women are, by definition men. This is a really simple, straight forward fact. It should not be controversial. It is not unkind to state it. It just means some men won't get their way.

*Why is it fine in other areas but not fine in sport?

Well, to be fair, there are lots of areas of work where it makes no difference. There are a couple of trans people where I work but being a trans marketing officer or trans ecologist isn't disadvantaging anyone.

Lines need to be drawn where biological sex makes a difference. There are plenty of those, sport is just one of them.

This affects every woman and every girl who has ever had reservations about participating in sport or doubts about whether they should go out there and be part of something.

The image of this rider pushing women out of the race is very powerful... and not a single thing was done about it.

But being trans is already completely fine in those areas. Or at least, people have a legal right not to be discriminated against in those areas on the basis that they are trans, and if they are, they have recourse to specific legal protections in the Equality Act.

If your position is that trans women should be treated as though they are women in all circumstances except the ones where we actually treat men and women differently, then I would agree with that.

@SleepyRich
Please create a thread and post on the Sex and Gender board. You will get the correct information on how to discuss this with your employer. Have a read of this article.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/trans-women-toilets-changing-rooms-rules-b992398.html

Yanbu op.

Or at least, people have a legal right not to be discriminated against in those areas on the basis that they are trans, and if they are, they have recourse to specific legal protections in the Equality Act

Yes, but employees and employers need to be aware that the comparator for discrimination of transwomen is other men, not women.
So they must not be stopped using the men's facilities or anything other men do.
It doesn't mean they must be granted access to female only spaces

I meant more that a trans person has the right not to be discriminated against when applying for or doing their job as a marketing manager or an ecologist, where I think most people would agree it really doesn't matter.

Despite what trans activists claim, not believing that a trans woman with a penis should be allowed to use the women's communal showers does not mean you also believe they shouldn't be allowed to work as a marketing manager or an ecologist, or otherwise "exist in society".

Because he cheated.

What is the world coming to?!

Arggh - can’t stand this, a man was allowed to enter a women’s sport and because that is cheating he won it.

I cannot cope with another argument, particularly with female friends who reply with the ‘but he is a woman’ and men who think it is a sad joke but don’t say anything for fear of being sacked from their jobs. How did we get to this - i get so mad i feel like i might have a stroke.

It reminds me of the Stephen King short story in which planet earth was being taken over by stealth and the only people who could see the interlopers were part time smokers. They looked human to everyone else.....except surely everyone sees that this is a man, they can see that, can't they?

unfortunately even King says that he believes TWAW.

Why are so many people able to blindly accept that trans women are women.

When they are clearly not.

Is it about women being quiet little people pleasers being hash tag kind?

Do people think it is harmless so go with the live and let live view?

Is there not enough mainstream coverage of the issue?

What can normal folk do to raise awareness is a non threatening peaceful manner?

Maybe for the next big cycling event, or other sporting event, where men pretending to be women are allowed to compete all the proper women should refuse to participate, let him race against himself and win. The organisers will face such losses of revenue they may have a rethink.

The female participants would lose out though if their sponsorship deal includes taking part in those events.

They already ruled a paralympian man who runs on leg blades cannot run in mainstream against able bodied men as he would have an unfair advantage!

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2021/04/27/more-sports/track-field/blake-leeper-prosthetic-blades-rejected/

Yep totally. Sad little people pleasers who can’t bear that some men will feel ‘sad’ that they can’t dominate and diminish women. So the people pleasers would rather appease than face the reality of what male privilege and misogyny does to their sisters.

Didn’t Oscar pistorious run in the Olympics?
I remember there was a lot of discussion around the fairness. In the Paralympics the blades are heavily regulated to ensure some sort of fairness

They lose out already, they can’t speak out for fear of being called a transphobe which would hugely reduce any sponsorship look at the abuse sally gunnell gets

YANBU.

I think that the likely solution is an offshoot category, sort of like what Formula E is to Formula 1… Only, I think it will actually be the biological women who compete in the new categories…

Posters who think that the female athletes should make a stand and risk their sponsorship etc are missing the point. The participants shouldn't have to do anything to prevent this, the governing body should prevent it, what else are they for? If I decide to join key stage one sports day and smash all the records (probably wouldn't anyway, I'm v unfit), is it up to my 7 year old rivals to deal with me or lose out? No, the school should stop me getting on the start line in the first place. The governing bodies willing to pretend that men on medication are women are the ones who need to grow some fucking ovaries and do their jobs instead of selling women out.