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To wonder how a biological male has won a women's cycling race?

242 replies

houseselling · 01/05/2023 17:42

Seriously why are the sporting organisations so slow to stop biological men from entering the world of women's sport that they so predictably end up winning and stealing titles and opportunities from biological women.

The mind boggles in rage.

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Butterflyflytoday · 01/05/2023 22:38

Sport is, or was, separated by sex because of the biological differences between men and women. We must return to separating by sex and not ‘feelings’.

Circumferences · 01/05/2023 22:39

I disagree that AK is built that strongly, pretty weedy imo, actually.

Yeah.... A pretty weedy man winning a woman's race isn't the argument you think it is

WarningToTheCurious · 01/05/2023 22:39

lljkk · 01/05/2023 20:04

AK is not winning most races entered against females.
Did well (when at the younger end of the age bracket) in 2019, but mostly fading as gets older.

The bumping into another rider (on video) was a slip not malicious.
and yes stumbles & contact happen pretty often in Cyclo-X.
Just out of curiousity, how many of you have ever competed in a cyclo-X race?

I recommend Don't watch BMX if you can't handle seeing contact in a cycle race.

Bollocks.

AK is not winning most races entered against females.

Killips is a male racing in what should be female only events. It doesn’t matter if Killips isn’t winning most races or only winning by a few seconds. Killips is male and should be in the male category.

Killips just won $35k that Killips is not entitled to.

The bumping into another rider (on video) was a slip not malicious.

Double bollocks. It’s blatant cheating and Killips should have been DQed.

https://twitter.com/tomhpearman/status/1602134082976096256?s=46&t=fMjCB4vFfh_N6mYE72mhHw

https://twitter.com/tomhpearman/status/1602134082976096256?s=46&t=fMjCB4vFfh_N6mYE72mhHw

Mindovermatter247 · 01/05/2023 22:42

It’s a joke, I’m all for people identifying as who they want, but what you identity and what you actually, biologically are is completely different… we have men’s and women’s categories for a reason, I know organisations want to be currant but this is totally wrong. I’d be livid if I was competing in that race. Something needs to be done.

Mummyoflittledragon · 01/05/2023 22:56

lljkk · 01/05/2023 21:15

3 cycloXrs here, we all think watched video & thought nothing of it. DH pointed out that it was the duty of (onus on) the rider behind not to try to slip thru a non-existent gap or try to push past unsafely, and you can't tell from the angle what was the best line that AK would try to take (which rider behind would see well and should respect). At worst, AK showed poor awareness of another rider trying to overtake. Which happens all the flipping time in CycloX.

My gut feeling is to would prefer biological males not be in same competitive category as biological females, too.

I disagree that AK is built that strongly, pretty weedy imo, actually.

You all undermine your case (about desirability of compatible biology of the competitors) by making up claims about aggression (it wasn't an aggressive move) or making out AK is wildly more muscly than others in the race (she isn't) or making out that AK is dominating the sport (she isn't).

So if you want to alienate people like me with the TERF prejudicess, and destroy my sympathy for your viewpoint, crack on. You're doing a grand job of losing my support.

At the start of that video the cyclist on foot was on the left hand side of the track directly beside the barrier. The correct and anticipated course of action would have been to turn left and continue to stay adjacent to the barrier to prevent creating an obstruction and allow the cyclists mounted on their bikes to pass. Instead this person chose to walk forwards then to the right, which totally blocked the course and prevented the second cyclist from passing on either side.

Had the cyclist tried to turn sooner, she would have collided with the person on foot and it would have been her fault. She took the only course of action possible and still was prevented from continuing. A pedestrian carrying a bike does not need to take up the entire course. I am really struggling to see how this could be interpreted in any other way.

A biological male doesn’t need to be wildly more muscular than a biological female to be far more powerful. Both can even be the same weight, height etc to hold true. This is to do with bone density and muscle composition along with lung capacity and hip size / shape as well as blood composition. Female bodies are designed to carry babies and are less ergonomically efficient; consequently, a male of the same age, weight and athleticism has a distinct advantage. Always.

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Haffiana · 01/05/2023 23:06

I feel immediately good and at home when I put a crown on, and don some ermine. This is my authentic self, you hear me?

Since I identify as the Queen of Great Britain will they crown me next weekend?

Why TF is this different?

MyCatIsAFuckwit · 01/05/2023 23:11

Bloomin cheat.....get in a competition with the fellas.

FOJN · 01/05/2023 23:12

So if you want to alienate people like me with the TERF prejudicess, and destroy my sympathy for your viewpoint, crack on. You're doing a grand job of losing my support.

Oh no, how ever will we manage without you.

By trying to defend the indefensible you open the eyes of more people than any TERF campaign could ever do. Keep up the good work.

elgreco · 01/05/2023 23:15

I don't want your fucking sympathy, I want fair sports.

Gothambutnotahamster · 01/05/2023 23:16

Absolutely @elgreco

Sugarfree23 · 01/05/2023 23:16

Rachel McKinnon peeked me 100%

Why the Olympics Committee ever suggested testosterone levels as a way to establish who could and who couldn't compete as women is beyond me. Its a complete an utter disgrace.

Prior to blood tests Doctors inspected female athletes genitalia before allowing them to complete. How humiliating for those athletes. And how disgusting that their records are allowed to be broken by mediocre men.

All sports governing bodies have been doing drugs tests for years yet they allow this form of cheating without a second though.

The tids will turn - it has too

ShipSpace · 01/05/2023 23:23

How is this bloke not embarrassed?

Surely taking a prize when you know you’ve cheated is mortifying?

Casilero · 01/05/2023 23:25

Haffiana · 01/05/2023 23:06

I feel immediately good and at home when I put a crown on, and don some ermine. This is my authentic self, you hear me?

Since I identify as the Queen of Great Britain will they crown me next weekend?

Why TF is this different?

Exactly

JMSA · 01/05/2023 23:25

What the fuck?! World's gone mad. And surprise surprise, not in our favour.

Ofcourseshecan · 01/05/2023 23:28

I hope someone somewhere is keeping a record of all the women who have been cheated of prizes and medals, or of the simple pleasure of winning through their own efforts. I hope all the men who have cheated them are held up to the shame they deserve, along with those who enabled them.

AnotherDayAnotherView · 01/05/2023 23:30

houseselling · 01/05/2023 17:42

Seriously why are the sporting organisations so slow to stop biological men from entering the world of women's sport that they so predictably end up winning and stealing titles and opportunities from biological women.

The mind boggles in rage.

It is a man who is cheating - end of conversation

Ofcourseshecan · 01/05/2023 23:37

The clearest site I know for showing why men cannot compete fairly against women in sports. It's a simple set of score tables showing how easily schoolboys beat female Olympic medallists.
https://boysvswomen.com

If boys are faster than elite female athletes, should males compete in female athletics?

See how the best high school boys stack up against the best female Olympians and World Record holders in Track & Field and Swimming.

https://boysvswomen.com/#/

AnotherDayAnotherView · 01/05/2023 23:41

Quire frankly whilst ever women choose to race against men nothing will change, sportswomen should refuse point blank to race against members of the opposite sex - that would draw a rapid conclusion to this farce

Fizbosshoes · 01/05/2023 23:45

Women have fought long and hard to even compete in certain sporting events. Weight lifting, boxing and steeplechase have only been Olympic events for women in the 21st century, for example. I'm sure there are many more examples, including in the world of cycling. And in terms of money or sponsorship for women in sports, there is still generally a long way to go.

It makes a complete mockery of these hard won rights to compete at events if a man can enter the women's competition and win.

MattTebbuttsDenimShirt · 01/05/2023 23:47

Bigger bollocks you see.

Justhereforthebotox · 01/05/2023 23:55

You know, I’ve tried, over the past year or so, to find one argument that justifies biological males competing in female sports. I’ve failed. There is no justification. It’s just plain stupid. Are we going to have to chain ourselves to the railings again? I’m up for it. Anything to stop this lunacy.

IcakethereforeIam · 02/05/2023 00:10

Does anyone know the name of the actual winner?

Whatsnewpussyhat · 02/05/2023 01:02

Why the Olympics Committee ever suggested testosterone levels as a way to establish who could and who couldn't compete as women is beyond me

Because it's all about men, not women.
They started from the position of how could they find a way to blag 'incusion' of men in women's sports, rather than giving any thought or fucks about the consequences to to the actual women athletes.
Excluding these men was NEVER an option, despite the endless fucking evidence of the biological differences between the sexes which they now pretend don't exist.
We all know lowering testosterone doesn't magically make a man a woman or take away the advantage. But it was something they could 'measure' as 'proof'
It's bullshit. THEY know it's bullshit.
They just don't care.

This whole ideology has shown that women don't matter, we are still seen as less than, beneath men, even to the point that our rights and even our very name must be handed over, without fuss or complaint, just to prop up the sexual paraphilias or poor mental health of men.

Ludlow2 · 02/05/2023 06:26

Women need to fight this fight.
We got the right to vote.

We now need to stand up to this nonsense.
Women mensturate.

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