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About being on the couch together?

222 replies

ThatsNotMyFootrest · 27/04/2023 12:51

DP is making grumblings about us not ‘having any cuddles or quality time together’ if I sit a certain way on the couch.

He likes to be full on snuggled up at all times. His preferred way is him sitting normally (as in feet on the floor, facing forward) and me sitting with my back against him and legs up on the couch. See picture for reference.

I prefer to sit at the other end of the couch (it’s a 2 seater so we aren’t miles apart) and he will lift my feet into his lap or I will sort of tuck them under. He will also stretch out his hand to be held along the back of the sofa IYSWIM so we are always touching still

I actually find his way fine if we are listening to music or chatting but it hurts my neck having to sort of look to the side to watch the TV.

He now seems offended and complains we don’t cuddle anymore as I have been sitting my way more often.

for context we don’t live together and only see each other 2 times a week.

YABU my way is definitely not quality time together
YANBU being comfortable is important and it’s still quality time.

About being on the couch together?
OP posts:
SchoolShenanigans · 28/04/2023 06:58

I'm sorry but I see red flags here. Yes, it's about cuddles, but he seems unable to be flexible and unable to consider your wants on this. He seems highly strung and like others have said, needy.

The fact you're blaming yourself for his needy he is, is concerning too. It just all seems classic red flag.

TheInterceptor · 28/04/2023 06:58

His head in your lap? Big ick.

Houseofpainjumparound · 28/04/2023 06:58

Sorry if this has been suggested but can you get a foot stool/pouffe so you can sit straight forward and rest your head on him, arm round you type thing

My husband makes comments about me being on my phone etc.... I just raise my eye brows and crack on..... 🤪

kingtamponthefurred · 28/04/2023 07:29

Snuggles? Are you married to Homer Simpson?

Nordicrain · 28/04/2023 07:31

Sit how you like. You don't exist to provide your DH with very position specific cuddles.

Clymene · 28/04/2023 07:36

Have you pointed out that the people in the picture are a stock shot and that in real life, people don't sit like that for exactly the reasons you've said.

CeeceeBloomingdale · 28/04/2023 07:42

His wants do not outweigh your needs. Anyone who told me how to sit or wanted to hang off me constantly would be gone.

billy1966 · 28/04/2023 07:51

Stompythedinosaur · 28/04/2023 00:09

This is spot on!

This.

You sound lovely but your boundaries are weak.

You have been indulging a whiny man.

This is not someone you should ever consider moving in with, I think you would see SO much more of this type of behaviour if you

Personal space is hugely important and the feeling of it being imposed upon can be unpleasant.

Sex pestish type behaviour.

Ick.

littleblackcat27 · 28/04/2023 08:07

ilovesooty · 27/04/2023 12:57

Sit how you want and tell him to stop fucking whining.

<<THIS

SmallFerret · 28/04/2023 09:57

Instead of instructing OP to beat herself up read on here how women whose husbands don't want to show affection of touch them, you could have read her update about her entirely normal levels of touch, @Freefall212
I think I’m a normal amount of affectionate. I will hug and kiss him hello/goodbye, hold hands, hand on thigh in car, shoulder rub if I’m passing type thing.

Even the feathery-stroker himself admits he is being excessive:
I have asked him if he has been this touchy in previous relationships. He said not to this level no.

And is so subtle with his pass-agg tactics to put his wishes above OP's that he's already convinced her that his neediness is all her fault & responsibility:
And if I’m honest, I think it’s my fault that it’s gotten to this level because I have allowed it and somehow felt I was wrong for not feeling the same need.

It's not fair or helpful to paint OP as some cold withholder of affection, or compare her to men who give their partners zero warmth- because it's not true!

If you had posted saying your boyfriend who you only see twice a week won’t cuddle or show you physical affection and doesn’t really want to be touched (and only offers his feet for you to touch) and insists on sitting at the other end of the couch….you would have gotten very different answers!
Of course she would.
But she didn't - because this is not what is happening here.
Most couples don't sit as per the pic OP posted. Her sofa isn't really big enough top do so. When they are watching TV (his preferred activity - OP tries to make him actually go out & do stuff together but this is another area where his wants trump hers) - she gets neckache, because the set-up is wrong for her to view comfortably. This still doesn't stop him from sulking about it.
It's absolutely normal to sit separately, often with light contact such as feet on lap, or holding hands. Describing that as insists on sitting on the other end of the couch is as emotionally manipulative & fact-avoiding as OP's b/f - that's what couches are designed for - for people to sit closely, but in their own space!

I do think this is a major area of incompatibility in couples and one you should think seriously about.
You are looking at the surface presentation & not the real problem.
The incompatibility isn't about closeness. OP gives plenty of that, her b/f admits he demands more of her than any previous g/f.
The real incompatibility problem here is the b/f insistence on OP meeting his overwhelming neediness, & ignoring her perfectly normal discomfort with that. With his wanting to do nothing but stay in & watch TV while welded to her.
With is refusal to go out & have fun together.
With his manipulation, emotional blackmail, & the startling lack of respect he inadvertently lets slip in exchanges like this:
My argument has been that I am spending time with him. We spend hours chatting and get along so well but for him, if it doesn’t involve physical contact it’s not fully quality time in his mind.

Regardless of our difference in physical contact needs I find that quite insulting.

He is displaying too many attributes of Lundy Bancroft's Mr Sensitive for OP to be compatible with him. OP doesn't need blaming for that - she needs support while she thinks through the implications of why he feels entitled to constantly suffocate her, refuse to go out with her, & so softly, so gently, manipulate her to ensure that he always gets his own way.

SmallFerret · 28/04/2023 10:03

hufflepuffbutrequestinggriffindor · 28/04/2023 06:50

...entirely but he will moan we don't cuddle enough too even though he'll be the one going to sit at a different sofa. In time I've concluded men just "need" more affection than women and need to suck it up and understand we don't always need to literally bend our bodies to fulfil their needs rather than our own comfort.

It's often more about attention than affection though, do you agree Hufflepuff?

Some men are so outraged by "their" woman not being 100% focused on them & their wants that they act out in kneejerk dismay. Hence all the DA posts in AIBU & Relationships about how nasty a husband or partner turns after the baby is born, & all the attention & touch is no longer exclusively for him.

OP's guy doesn't even want to go out with her. He prefers sitting in front of the TV, twice a week, with OP contorted into an uncomfortable viewing position, like she is his comfort dolly. Excuse me, I need to go & vomit now ...

Iusedtofly · 28/04/2023 17:54

fluffiphlox · 27/04/2023 12:58

Could you buy him a teddy?

This made me laugh out loud

Hye000 · 28/04/2023 18:02

I’ve got the ick & he’s not even my boyfriend 🥴

Mumof3confused · 28/04/2023 18:03

TBH my (now ex) was like that at the start. It wasn’t enough to sit together and watch Tv, he had to have his head in my lap or hold my hand. I now realise this was a red flag which I missed. I divorced him after 11 years of marriage. I feel so free.

You need to watch how he behaves when you talk to him about the fact that this does not work for you. Huffing and puffing or feigning hurt feelings - this is manipulation.

Elvisismycat · 28/04/2023 18:27

Fucking Ada!!!
Some of the armchair psychologists on here!! I can't stop laughing at the " analysis " of this poor bloke!
He's a narc
He's needy
He's gaslighting you
Get rid
Etc, etc etc......
I hope you, the OP is taking all this with a pinch of salt.
TALK TO HIM!
TELL HIM YOU'RE UNCOMFORTABLE.
Who knows, maybe you can both resolve it without asking complete bloody strangers who don't give a wank about you 🙄

Schabernacker · 28/04/2023 18:37

ThatsNotMyFootrest · 27/04/2023 18:48

I worry that we are just too mismatched with this now though.

I think I’m a normal amount of affectionate. I will hug and kiss him hello/goodbye, hold hands, hand on thigh in car, shoulder rub if I’m passing type thing.

he recently asked that I initiate more affection but I explained he is doing that so often and fully that I will never feel the need to do that unless he makes space for me to. He did concede to that. I was miffed that all that we were doing was somehow not counting because I wasn’t physically hugging him as in my arms around him.

You lost me at "hand on thigh in car". That is a degree of affectionate far too far in my opinion. I'd say it was verging into "ick" terrain (why would anyone need anyone's hand on their thigh in the car?)

Which in fact just shows that we all have ways to be physically affectionate which are within our comfort zone - and nobody should have to give or receive more physical affection than they are happy with. Can you not actually discuss this with him and say that your need is just less than his, even though you love him and fancy him just as much as you always have done, and so on?

Mummywarrior · 28/04/2023 18:42

mynameiscalypso · 27/04/2023 12:52

I'm not sure my DH would still be my DH if he tried to dictate how I sat on the sofa.

Amen to that sister!

saffy2 · 28/04/2023 18:45

He’s being utterly ridiculous.

Winnipeg23 · 28/04/2023 18:54

I think it's nice he wants to cuddle.

mandlerparr · 28/04/2023 19:08

At first, I was going to assume that he just didn't like feet. Until you answered people.
And now, I think that you are not compatible in your amount of cuddling needed. If you give in, you are going to feel overwhelmed all the time.
If you don't give in, he is going to feel unloved or at least claim to feel that way.
I know that feeling of being touched too much and it is way worse than feeling like you need to be in constant contact with someone.
I think he needs some therapy, frankly. You have described doing very touchy feely, loving things throughout your time together and he is not satisfied with any of it or wants it only on his terms all the time. There has to be a reason why it is never enough for him. I would bet that if you laid in bed cuddling him for hours he would complain when you got up to pee.
there are sometimes people in this world who need more physical affection than any person could ever give them and he is starting to sound like one of those people.

It could be anxiety. So, he needs help. To see why he craves constant attention. Because no one can give that unless two people who need constant attention get together. They would have a really dirty house, though.

Jack80 · 28/04/2023 19:08

I either sit in the ball chair or on my recliner and him on his on the same sofa. If I want a cuddle, I sit in the middle of the sofa and lean against him. x

AllyArty · 28/04/2023 19:26

He sounds extremely particular. But is it really so much of an issue that u feel that you have to put a post up? Can u not just tell him you don’t want to sit that way?

AnnieSnap · 28/04/2023 19:34

ThatsNotMyFootrest · 27/04/2023 18:48

I worry that we are just too mismatched with this now though.

I think I’m a normal amount of affectionate. I will hug and kiss him hello/goodbye, hold hands, hand on thigh in car, shoulder rub if I’m passing type thing.

he recently asked that I initiate more affection but I explained he is doing that so often and fully that I will never feel the need to do that unless he makes space for me to. He did concede to that. I was miffed that all that we were doing was somehow not counting because I wasn’t physically hugging him as in my arms around him.

You say you love him, so this is probably worth working on. It sounds like perhaps his attachment needs may not have been adequately met in childhood and he may benefit from some psychological therapy or counselling. You could initially go for a few sessions of couples counselling which would explore the mismatch of your physical affection needs.

Jillybloop393 · 28/04/2023 19:44

PlantsAndSpaniels · 27/04/2023 13:35

I do see his point if you only spend 2 days together and he wants the closeness, but I see your point of wanting to sit comfortably. Is there any way of rearranging the furniture to make it more comfortable? Like moving the tv so it's to the side so you face it when lying on the sofa? Could you watch tv in bed instead for a few hours and cuddle?

Although the majority of answers are in your favour, I think the same as the above. You only see each other twice a week ... I would have thought it would be lovely to be cuddly with each other. I bet there are plenty of women out there that wish their partners were like yours. I suppose we're all different, but I bet one day when you're feeling unwanted/unloved you look back to these days and wish you had someone that wanted to cuddle you. I hope you manage to reach a compromise x

choccytime · 28/04/2023 19:58

My cocker spaniel has to sit like this and DH is pushed to other end of sofa