Diane Abbott

[Flowerly]

To say that Diane Abbott is doing her best to help the Labour Party to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory?

Hideous antisemitism seemingly not gone away at all and add that to the horrendous misogyny in the Labour Party I wonder at this point why ANYONE would vote for them.

AIBU?

Yes it is sobering and frightening.

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/whoopi-goldberg-i-m-jewish-and-i-talk-to-god-1.23000

I’m sure I read it somewhere.

Solidarity with you and am so angry for what you have to put up with.

Like you, I'm 100% European Jewish. I am a cultural and ethnic Jew, rather than a religious one. That said, these past few years I have taken more of an interest and started to practise, in part I think because I feel I have to given the oppression and persecution Jews have faced, and still face. Now, when I fill in forms, I no longer state I am white British. The number of Jews in the UK is less than half of one percent. I want to be counted.

At school, the most bullying antisemites I encountered were the history teachers. One even refused to teach the Holocaust. As I missed several classes at the beginning of the school year due to Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur, I was already marked out and othered at the start. Over the past two decades, I have been spat at, sent revolting emails from strangers when I did OLD telling me I should have been gassed. I even had an-ex close friend who is a huge Corbyn/Momentum supporter tell me I am ignorant about antisemitism. He is not Jewish. Being told I don't understand antisemitism is a theme among those whom are not Jewish.

I live in London and have done all my life. Depsite being one of the most cultured, urban and cosmopolitan cities in the world, the antisemitism is getting worse every year. This thread is not even half of what we have to put up with.

@ MalagaNights
The dismissal of the experience of Jews of racism on this thread takes my breath away.

It's grotesque.

It's clear antisemitism is on the rise again in the West after 80 short years

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And it largely comes from the left which goes to show ignorant, stupid, prejudiced and racists come from both ends of the political spectrum.

I live in London and have done all my life. Depsite being one of the most cultured, urban and cosmopolitan cities in the world, the antisemitism is getting worse every year. This thread is not even half of what we have to put up with.

I hear you highfidelity 💐

Nonsense. I stated it quite clearly in the post and also in a subsequent one which you haven't got around to banning.

Either you didn't read them or you are flat out lying 🤥

Jews are not a race they are however a religious group

Muslims are not a race either , nor are any other religions

I gave a very, very specific example upthread of an incident I witnessed - without naming names - about the antisemitic culture enabled by Corbyn and his closest crew, and how their accommodation of antisemites impacted Jewish members of the LP. I know of many similar incidents that took place in other CLPs. There is also plenty information online that can help address your questions, as well as a MN thread last year on David Baddiel's documentary, which although a sewer of antisemitism, included a lot of very specific and horrendous examples. I'm sure it won't be hard to find. The fact is, the hard left has always had a problem with Jewish people because they don't fit their anti-Western narrative, and sadly Corbyn's Labour brought that into the mainstream and made it almost acceptable to question, goad and belittle Jews over their fears and concerns.

I mean, there's a Jewish PP above who was told by a non-Jewish Momentum member that she didn't understand antisemitisim FFS! So there's another gross example of how it became so normalised under his watch.

@Wonnle They are an ethnoreligious group. Educate yourself.

https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/are-jews-a-race/

@Wonnle Wow, an article that has been totally debunked. Well done you.

Any evidence of that ?

I'm firmly in the camp that any and all religions are total bollocks by the way !

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/498027/jewish/Are-Jews-a-Race.htm

I'm all for learning. This is an interesting article, the site as a whole is interesting if I'm honest I'm going down a rabbit hole

Isn’t the problem that racism shows itself in different ways to different groups?

with black men it might be excessive targeting or stop and search.

with travellers it exists in being barred from so many places ( including burning down a housing estate where travellers were moving into in Ireland)

with the Jewish community it exists ( for example) with attacks on schools ( when was the last time a predominantly black school in the U.K. was threatened with a bomb?)

so, different groups have different areas where they are targeted but they are all part of racism and experienced as such?

btw, stats on travellers show some truly horrendous facts

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/50-of-travellers-die-before-39-study-1.808703

The Nazis murdered 6 million Jews on the basis of their race. Genetic theory was the justification for this. It had very little to do with religion.

Strange that there are people on this thread who don’t seem to know that.

But being Jewish isn't measured by going to synagogue and keeping kosher. It's more than a religion - one is born a Jew - if one's mother is Jewish, then the child is too.

David Baddiel mentions this all the time. He's an atheist, but he would still be rounded up for being Jewish.

The antisemitism on this thread is just appalling.

Also, I think DA’s comments played into ( intentionally or not) the idea that there is ranking of who should be viewed as the most disadvantaged group.

She was talking from her experience as she sees and experiences things and the lack of objectivity here puzzles me.

Sorry, I mean the lack of objectivity in her analysis

I can't stand her. I met her once when I was 16 and she was so patronising it pretty much completely put me off ever entering politics (something I had up to that point thought was going to be my career!!)

I really don't want to start a thread, but I think maybe it's time to do so in the hope that Mumsnet start taking the pervasive antisemitism on this site seriously and do something about it.

It's not up to me to 'ban' comments. I reported yours for being antisemitic and MNHQ decided to remove it - whether because of my report or not. And I don't know or care what your ethnic group is. I call out racism when I see it.

Do you mean posters who consider the treatment of Jews in history and at present to be appalling and bigoted, but not ‘racism’? Or other comments?

I believe Hitler went back generations, it's something my children are conscious of.

This.
And lots of racists like Farage are jumping in her. Again.
Surprise surprise.